The Beginning of the End for New Zealand!!

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Just my 2 cents but I think they are on a very slippery slope!!
The world-first law was passed by the country's parliament on Tuesday (13.12.22) and means that anybody born after 2008 will never be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products.

The number of people able to purchase tobacco will shrink every year as a result. By 2050, for example, 40-year-olds will be too young to buy cigarettes.


Health Minister Dr. Ayesha Verrall introduced the bill and described it as a step "towards a smoke-free future".

Dr. Verrall said: "Thousands of people will live longer, healthier lives and the health system will be NZ$5 billion better off from not needing to treat the illnesses caused by smoking."

What will these holy, righteous, know it alls decide next? - can't sell bacon - too much fat, no eggs - high cholesterol, coffee is bad, but, here enjoy, a some marijuana and maybe you won't care if the government's intrusive behavior is for your own good. Crazy world we are living in!
 

rwb said:
Just my 2 cents but I think they are on a very slippery slope!!
The world-first law was passed by the country's parliament on Tuesday (13.12.22) and means that anybody born after 2008 will never be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products.

The number of people able to purchase tobacco will shrink every year as a result. By 2050, for example, 40-year-olds will be too young to buy cigarettes.


Health Minister Dr. Ayesha Verrall introduced the bill and described it as a step "towards a smoke-free future".

Dr. Verrall said: "Thousands of people will live longer, healthier lives and the health system will be NZ$5 billion better off from not needing to treat the illnesses caused by smoking."

What will these holy, righteous, know it alls decide next? - can't sell bacon - too much fat, no eggs - high cholesterol, coffee is bad, but, here enjoy, a some marijuana and maybe you won't care if the government's intrusive behavior is for your own good. Crazy world we are living in!
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well to be fair... you eating bacon , and drinking coffee is unlikely to affect as many people as you (one) blowing smoke into other people's lungs..
 

I suppose in 100 years’ time, perhaps much sooner, no one will smoke. So we will be back where we were before the 16th century, when adventurers like Raleigh brought the native American habit of smoking tobacco to Europe. It was one of the points on which he intrigued Queen Elizabeth. ‘I can weigh tobacco smoke, Your Majesty.’ ‘Oh no, you can’t, Sir Walter.’ Then he would produce a small pair of scales, weigh a bit of tobacco, smoke it, then weigh the ashes. ‘The difference between the two is the weight of the smoke.’ ‘Well I never, Sir Walter.’

The Queen's successor, James I, hated smoking, he wrote a book, "A Counterblaste to Tobacco," denouncing it, and would have banned it. But that would have meant losing the duties on imported tobacco, so he dropped his plan. It’s odd given that tobacco came from America but it has been the Americans that have led the campaign to end smoking which is now being followed elsewhere, not least, New Zealand. When the first American colonies were founded from England, tobacco was virtually the only crop they learnt how to grow which Europeans wanted to buy. Without it, they could not have survived, and the United States would never have come into existence. Its origins were built on the weed.

Rather bizarrely, tobacco was once seen as good for your health! The Spaniard Nicolas Monardes had written a report into tobacco, translated into English by John Frampton in 1577 and called "Of the Tabaco and of His Greate Vertues," which recommended its use for the relief of toothache, falling fingernails, worms, halitosis and lockjaw. (Got to love the halitosis, smokers breath stink like a stale ashtray.)
 
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NorthernLight said:
I don't mind a ban on tobacco, but you're right. Next to go will be eggs, then everything else (except marijuana).
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that's disgusting too. I was in the supermarket the other day and this one woman was near me in the aisle and she stunk the whole aisle out with the smell of weed from her clothes ( which otherwise looked very clean) ... everywhere I went she soon appeared in the aisle next to me , stinking the place out *retch* :sick:
 
rwb said:
The number of people able to purchase tobacco will shrink every year as a result. By 2050, for example, 40-year-olds will be too young to buy cigarettes.
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Could be just me thinking that with the population topping 8 billion using resources like there is no tomorrow by 2050 the NZ smoking ban will be the least of worries for the world.
 
rwb said:
The number of people able to purchase tobacco will shrink every year as a result. By 2050, for example, 40-year-olds will be too young to buy cigarettes.
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All that will do is generate a thriving black market. Here in the UK, although alcohol isn't banned, it is heavily taxed. That resulted in Brits travelling to mainland Europe on what became known as: "The Booze Cruise."
 
It's tough to legislate moral's, especially someone else's, but that has never seemed to have stopped them from trying. Can't say I'm saddened they've stopped picking on pot, for the most part.
 
horseless carriage said:
All that will do is generate a thriving black market. Here in the UK, although alcohol isn't banned, it is heavily taxed. That resulted in Brits travelling to mainland Europe on what became known as: "The Booze Cruise."
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New Zealand can easily close her borders to tobacco and unlike the case of the UK and US, smugglers would find it a lot more difficult to bring it into the country.

Even if they only succeed in raising the age when young people can legally buy tobacco products they will save lives. However, they need to do something about vaping at the same time.

Australia is now considering further measures to discourage smokers beyond the banning of advertising at cinemas and sporting events and plain packaging of cigarettes. These measures have been very successful. I am pleased to say that none of my six grandchildren, all around the age of 32 (+/ 4 years of age), have taken up the habit. In reality I know very few smokers these days.

Now it is time to do something about the curse of gambling that is causing havoc in OZ. The trouble there is that this is a huge revenue spinner for state governments.
 
hollydolly said:
I think cigarette packets have lost

that's disgusting too. I was in the supermarket the other day and this one woman was near me in the aisle and she stunk the whole aisle out with the smell of weed from her clothes ( which otherwise looked very clean) ... everywhere I went she soon appeared in the aisle next to me , stinking the place out *retch* :sick:
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That stuff clings to clothes. I hate it! The smell is a migraine trigger for me.
 
Knight said:
Could be just me thinking that with the population topping 8 billion using resources like there is no tomorrow by 2050 the NZ smoking ban will be the least of worries for the world.
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In my humble opinion, Climate change is a gigantic HOAX, that unfortunately too many have bought into! So called scientist use it to obtain "research funds" for other reasons. None of the dire predictions about the world going to Hell in the 80's and then the 90's and then in 2000, etc, etc because of climate change have not never occurred. The Chinese, with the help of the US and other governments have proven how easily the world population can be conned, manipulated and scared to death to control their every day life!! That's OK, I guess sheep don't know any better either.
 
Warrigal said:
New Zealand can easily close her borders to tobacco and unlike the case of the UK and US, smugglers would find it a lot more difficult to bring it into the country.

Even if they only succeed in raising the age when young people can legally buy tobacco products they will save lives. However, they need to do something about vaping at the same time.

Australia is now considering further measures to discourage smokers beyond the banning of advertising at cinemas and sporting events and plain packaging of cigarettes. These measures have been very successful. I am pleased to say that none of my six grandchildren, all around the age of 32 (+/ 4 years of age), have taken up the habit. In reality I know very few smokers these days.

Now it is time to do something about the curse of gambling that is causing havoc in OZ. The trouble there is that this is a huge revenue spinner for state governments.
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here in the Uk for a few years now , the age has risen to 18 in which any shop selling to those under 18 will face prosecution.. . Cigarette packets are now all generic in appearance from what I understand and with graphic health warnings .. and fancy coloured cigarettes.. and Menthol are no longer sold..
The price of cigarettes has risen exponentially beyond the reach, of most people.. .. I believe the average price is ( just looked it up)>.for a popular brand £14.70 for a pack of twenty... even I'm shocked at that tbh, I knew they were expensive but not quite that much.. I'll be looking in awe at those who I see smoking now and wondering just how they can afford that ''

£14.70 sterling... = $17.90 US ... or $26.81 Au ...per pack of Twenty cigarettes.. :eek:...NOT a carton.. just ONE Pack!
 
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rwb said:
can't tell you how often I have damn near vomited standing next to someone, usually a women, but not always, wearing a horrible, foul smelling perfume, cologne or aftershave!
BTW, I am a NON SMOKER!!!!!
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I don't like smelling strong perfume either but marijuana smoke on clothes is much worse to me.
 
Warrigal said:
New Zealand can easily close her borders to tobacco and unlike the case of the UK and US, smugglers would find it a lot more difficult to bring it into the country.

Even if they only succeed in raising the age when young people can legally buy tobacco products they will save lives. However, they need to do something about vaping at the same time.

Australia is now considering further measures to discourage smokers beyond the banning of advertising at cinemas and sporting events and plain packaging of cigarettes. These measures have been very successful. I am pleased to say that none of my six grandchildren, all around the age of 32 (+/ 4 years of age), have taken up the habit. In reality I know very few smokers these days.

Now it is time to do something about the curse of gambling that is causing havoc in OZ. The trouble there is that this is a huge revenue spinner for state governments.
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Wow!! It sounds like you would like to be the person in charge of all human activity in your country. What is and is not allowed!! Some guy in Germany tried that back in the 30's and 40's!!
 
hollydolly said:
I believe the average price is ( just looked it up)>.for a popular brand £14.70 for a pack of twenty... even I'm shocked at that tbh, I knew they were expensive but not quite that much.
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Forgive me Holly, I just had to check that price out. £14:70 it is.
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