The British Justice system lets the victims down again.

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Our justice system is fast becoming a laughing stock.. sentences for serious crimes are weak.. and yet those committing a much lesser crime are often made an example..of..

Today again was an example of a weak sentence for a serious crime.

A 17 year old Yob, attacked an innocent 62 year old stranger in the street..knocking him to the ground, and the victim had a heart attack and died..

The sentence for this ?.. 12 months prison, he'll serve half of that...

It's infuriating...

Read the story here...

Appalling moment feral yob fatally pushes pensioner to the floor
 

"Feral yob, 17, gets just 12 months in prison for killing a beloved father"

He was 16 when the event happened. He didn't get just 12 months. And he didn't kill the other person as defined by the law. Don't like it, change the law. I love how they labelled the kid "feral". :D

What was the kid actually charged with?

Youth crime | The Crown Prosecution Service
 
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..and a second one , and this is just today....


The mother of a teenage girl whose lung was punctured as she was repeatedly stabbed has called for an overhaul of the justice system after the attacker walked free from court.

Talseem Mulhall’s daughter Tiana was told she was “lucky to be alive” by a doctor after the attack in which a pair of scissors was plunged into the 17-year-old’s back five times.

Lord Goldsmith, a former government minister, has said that the case – which lasted for more than three years because of delays – is “one more example of a justice system in the UK that seems incapable of providing actual justice”.

Ms Mulhall – 53, of Richmond-upon-Thames, in Lord Goldsmith’s former constituency – said: “I am originally from Yemen, and I can honestly say that there would be a better chance of justice there.”

The attacker, Esme Lacey, was charged immediately after the attack in November 2020 but was sentenced only last month.

By the time the case was completed, three different juries had been assembled and dismissed, there had been a change of judge, and sentencing courts and dates had twice been rescheduled.

Lacey was ultimately sentenced at a makeshift court in the Grand Connaught Rooms, a party and conference venue in London’s Covent Garden. There was no physical presence from the prosecution in the courtroom, with the Crown’s barrister appearing by video link because he said that he had been told about the hearing only the day before.
She said she later found two more wounds on Tiana’s head from the attack – which happened in New Malden, south-west London – but that these were not considered as evidence.

When the case finally came to a full trial, in September last year, Lacey, 20, was cleared at Kingston-upon-Thames Crown Court of causing grievous bodily harm with intent, so she was sentenced for an earlier guilty plea to the lesser charge of GBH without intent.

She and a co-defendant – Amina Aden, from Hounslow, west London, who was 18 at the time of the attack – said they had intended to use the scissors to cut off Tiana’s hair. Aden pleaded not guilty to GBH with intent and was cleared.

Lacey argued in court that the wounds were caused in a struggle that ensued after she and Aden had tried to cut the hair.
In an impact statement, Tiana said that the attack – which also dislocated one of her shoulders – had left her in a wheelchair for four weeks and on crutches for 12.

Lord Goldsmith said: “Tiana will bear the scars, both physical and mental, of this senseless and barbaric attack for the rest of her life. But her treatment by the criminal justice system has also been appalling.”

He added: “The case was a shambles from the start, with police failing to gather basic evidence, court trials being postponed repeatedly, and the trial itself not happening until three years after the attack.”

Tiana was attacked in a street by former friend Lacey and when she was taken to hospital, she was told that if one of the wounds had been an inch further away, she would have been paralysed.
At the sentencing, Recorder Nigel Sangster KC called the attack – which he said had been sparked by a “silly” argument – “vicious” and “cruel”. However, he gave waitress Lacey a suspended sentence of just two years because he said that the attack was “at odds” with the Probation Service’s pre-sentence report on her. Lacey was also ordered to complete 20 days of “rehabilitation activity” and pay Tiana £600 in compensation.

Lord Goldsmith said: “Despite being found guilty of GBH, the sentence imposed on Tiana’s attacker makes a mockery of justice.”

He added: “For Tiana and her family, this has been life-changing.” Tiana has been told she will need therapy for the rest of her life.

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The justice system can often feel very complex and frustratingly convoluted. There are so many factors at play when it comes to deciding the appropriate punishment for a crime, from the severity of the offense to the age and background of the perpetrator, not to mention the countless legal precedents and technicalities that lawyers and judges have to navigate.

This complexity can sometimes lead to outcomes that don't seem to fit the crime, like in this case the sentence for the young offender seemed far too lenient. It can also make it difficult for ordinary people to understand or have faith in the system.

But it's also important to remember that the justice system is supposed to be fair and impartial, taking into account all of these different factors in order to ensure that everyone gets a fair trial and a fair punishment. That said, it's understandable why many people might question whether or not our current system is achieving that goal.

Do you think there are ways we could simplify or improve the justice system to make it more transparent and more effective at delivering justice for victims and society as a whole?
 
About 20 miles from here is Peterhead prison - now a museum. It was built to house some of the worst offenders and their punishment was to build the breakwater that would shelter Peterhead harbour. A railway was built to take the prisoners under guard to the quarry where they would dig the stone to be used at the harbour. Inside the prison conditions were just as harsh and although convicts were not hanged at Peterhead, they could be flogged or locked in a small windowless cell.

Now, the prisons are 'soft'. Maybe couple of years hard labour is what's needed.

Armed guard keeps watch on Peterhead convicts quarrying stone for the breakwater.

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hollydolly said:
Our justice system is fast becoming a laughing stock.. sentences for serious crimes are weak.. and yet those committing a much lesser crime are often made an example..of..

Today again was an example of a weak sentence for a serious crime.

A 17 year old Yob, attacked an innocent 62 year old stranger in the street..knocking him to the ground, and the victim had a heart attack and died..

The sentence for this ?.. 12 months prison, he'll serve half of that...

It's infuriating...

Read the story here...

Appalling moment feral yob fatally pushes pensioner to the floor
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What is a Yob?
 
..and here we are.. a third one just today.... and just the very few which are reported in the media...:cautious:

A female prison officer caused a crash on the M62 which killed a lorry driver while indulging in phone calls and messages at 75mph.

Former prison guard Jamie Bellerby, 27, of Elland, near Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, was driving home from work on March 16, 2021, when she took a volley of calls and text messages.

Within just 23 minutes, she read 23 WhatsApp messages, sent a voice note on Facebook Messenger, received three more Facebook messages, made several phone calls and took three incoming calls.

Her Ford Fiesta was spotted 'swaying left and right' on the M62 while driving at speeds of up to 75 mph before it smashed into the central reservation, flipping in the air 'at least twice' then coming to a stop.

The crash forced drivers behind her to slam on their brakes and swerve out of the way, leading to a pile-up - but she has now been spared jail over the tragedy.

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Tragically, lorry driver Stuart Murphy, 39, from Huddersfield, was killed at the scene and a 37-year-old man was also seriously injured.

Mr Murphy, who was described as 'such a good person' by heartbroken friends and family at the time, was driving one of four HGVs involved in the horror smash which left a further four other people injured.
Witnesses saw her travelling at speeds of up to 75mph, swerving in the middle lane left and right, out of control before drifting into lane three, very close to the central reservation.'

Details of the sheer volume of incoming calls, messages and social media messages she was receiving and accepting and making phone calls were read to the court. Her WhatsApp was not operated through Siri and she could not use her phone through the steering wheel, meaning she had to manually make the call.

When she crawled out of the wreckage of her car, she was clutching her mobile phone.
Judge Rose made Bellerby the subject of a two-year community order, telling her she must undertake 25 rehabilitation activity requirement days. The judge also made her the subject of a five-month electronically monitored curfew between 7pm and 7am.

The judge said he was satisfied that Bellerby was distracted because of her stressful day at work and the fact she was using her phone.

He said: 'No one who has not worked as a prison officer, particularly at that time, can fully appreciate the stresses and strains of a person fulfilling that role emotionally and physically.

'But while the court must recognise these matters were not of your own making, the same can't be said for the second source of your distraction which I am sure was your mobile phone while driving.

'There is no excuse whatsoever for using your mobile phone when you were on your journey. The evidence is overwhelming that you ignored the law and common sense.'
 
Letting a person convicted of fraud out in 5 years is one thing. But letting a violent murderer out at any number of years is not justice! I believe no person is beyond redemption. The “Son of Sam” is a good example - he has been redeemed and now runs a no-profit ministry from prison, The Official Website of David Berkowitz - Welcome and I have even purchased his tracts and distributed them to inmates. But even David Berkowitz needs to serve his life sentence as a matter of justice.
 
Michael Z said:
The “Son of Sam” is a good example - he has been redeemed and now runs a no-profit ministry from prison, The Official Website of David Berkowitz - Welcome and I have even purchased his tracts and distributed them to inmates. But even David Berkowitz needs to serve his life sentence as a matter of justice.
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They all get religion in prison. It looks good for the parole board, and it gets them out of their cells, and better prison jobs. But getting religion doesn't mean you didn't commit the crime. As MichaelZ said, Berkowitz stays in prison.
Also, I don't think there is anyone in the world , who feels that the rich get the same sentences as the poor.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
They all get religion in prison. It looks good for the parole board, and it gets them out of their cells, and better prison jobs. But getting religion doesn't mean you didn't commit the crime. As MichaelZ said, Berkowitz stays in prison.
Also, I don't think there is anyone in the world , who doesn't feel that the poor get the same sentences as the rich.
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Very often the rich don't get the same sentences as the poor...
 
fuzzybuddy said:
They all get religion in prison. It looks good for the parole board, and it gets them out of their cells, and better prison jobs. But getting religion doesn't mean you didn't commit the crime. As MichaelZ said, Berkowitz stays in prison.
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That may be true in some cases. I lead a Bible study at the county jail and I see a little of that. But in this case, David Berkowitz has turned down repeated parole opportunities. See 'Son of Sam' Serial Killer Won’t Seek Parole; Gives Jesus as Reason
 
HD...why do you think this is happening with your criminal justice system? Those examples are astonishing and indeed infuriating! I feel so sorry for the victims and their families. I'm glad that teenage girl was not killed but how terrifying that must have been!
 
OneEyedDiva said:
HD...why do you think this is happening with your criminal justice system? Those examples are astonishing and indeed infuriating! I feel so sorry for the victims and their families. I'm glad that teenage girl was not killed but how terrifying that must have been!
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I have no idea, Diva...I wish I knew.. I'm sure the vast majority of the population wishes they knew, and so we could change it....but now for many years the justice system here has become a joke.. and not an amusing one eihter..

You're far more likely to go to prison for calling someone a racist name than you are to go for manslaughter...
 
OneEyedDiva said:
why do you think this is happening with your criminal justice system? Those examples are astonishing and indeed infuriating! I feel so sorry for the victims and their families. I'm glad that teenage girl was not killed but how terrifying that must have been!
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All that is happening is that people are finally cluing in to what the law says. In the past, I guess, they had expectations that didn't match with reality. Now they know the truth. As linked earlier, 17 years and younger are treated, in the legal system, differently than 18+.
 
I could write a book, a very big book on how the courts here in the U.S. do not hand down justice fairly and consistently. We give the judges too much latitude to decide on the sentences, even though they (the judges) are encouraged to follow the sentencing guidelines that were (are) determined by the DOJ.

Our “Sentencing Commissions,” which are part of the DOJ, tells the judges that before sentencing, they are to take into consideration the defendant’s background, including their childhood and how they were raised. I have seen with my own brown eyes the inconsistency’s that have been handed out by our judges. Some of the sentences have pissed me off so much that I had to take the next day off just to get my own sanctity back in order. I always seemed to ask the question “Why?”

As for heinous crimes, “Oh, Brother!” That could be another very large book.
 
Here, Judges rarely answer to anyone outside of the ballot box due to Judicial Immunity.
 

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