The debate over masks.

Ronni

Ronni

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Wearing a mask is no longer a topic for debate. There are not "two sides" to this issue.

The latest scientific research strongly supports the conclusion that masks are the most effective tool we currently have for controlling COVID-19, which is the main reason organizations that initially did not make wearing masks a recommendation for the general public have all reversed course.

It doesn't matter what anyone said months ago when this was new to the world. The more that scientists have learned about this virus, the more strongly they've all come to agree on wearing masks. This is no longer a question.

You may be a carrier of COVID-19 and be asymptomatic. By wearing a mask you’re stopping the spread and protecting others. Individuals with COVID-19 can be symptom free for up to five days, not realize they are carrying the virus, and then spread it to others more at risk than themselves. Wearing a mask is not only important, it’s life-saving.

Current guidelines and recommendations are not open to interpretation. Epidemiologists, microbiologists and organizations like Johns Hopkins, the Centers for Disease Control, the National Academy of Sciences, and the World Health Organization all now are unified in recommending masks for the public. Dr. Fauci has gone as far as saying it's "essential" to wear a mask in public, and that it's "irresponsible" not to do so.

People do not have the "right" to put others at risk with their behavior. People like you and I should not "stay home" because others refuse to wear a mask. This virus is not "like the flu." And no, it will not "go away" if Trump loses in November. Believing and repeating such things demonstrates a selfish ignorance and/or a disconnect with reality.

People don’t complain their rights are being violated when they buckle into a government mandated seatbelt. And are so careful to keep their passengers safe by insisting they buckle up.

Masks are achieving a similar end...they are reducing the potential mortality of the population at large. The selfish arrogance of some people is beyond comprehension to me.

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Treacle said:
There is a strong hint that PM Johnson will make it mandatory to wear a face covering in shops in England. :unsure:
Some might argue .....about time!!
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I hope he does.. but I have a feeling he'll back out of making it mandatory, he seems to be terrified of making solid decisions .. which is a shame because everyone in Scotland are following the rules laid down by sturgeon and wearing mask in enclosed spaces..
It really annoys me that a large proportion of people in England seem to not be taking this pandemic seriously.. all the nay-sayers, and the conspiracy speculators.. . How hard is it to wear a mask indoors for a short period of time.? I understand people who have lung conditions ( I'm asthmatic myself and still wear a mask ) but healthy people should be interested in saving their own health if not other peoples.

I have to really come to the conclusion that if the health service wasn't free here, then perhaps people would think very differently about looking after their health
 
Ronni said:
Wearing a mask is no longer a topic for debate. There are not "two sides" to this issue.

The latest scientific research strongly supports the conclusion that masks are the most effective tool we currently have for controlling COVID-19, which is the main reason organizations that initially did not make wearing masks a recommendation for the general public have all reversed course.

It doesn't matter what anyone said months ago when this was new to the world. The more that scientists have learned about this virus, the more strongly they've all come to agree on wearing masks. This is no longer a question.

You may be a carrier of COVID-19 and be asymptomatic. By wearing a mask you’re stopping the spread and protecting others. Individuals with COVID-19 can be symptom free for up to five days, not realize they are carrying the virus, and then spread it to others more at risk than themselves. Wearing a mask is not only important, it’s life-saving.

Current guidelines and recommendations are not open to interpretation. Epidemiologists, microbiologists and organizations like Johns Hopkins, the Centers for Disease Control, the National Academy of Sciences, and the World Health Organization all now are unified in recommending masks for the public. Dr. Fauci has gone as far as saying it's "essential" to wear a mask in public, and that it's "irresponsible" not to do so.

People do not have the "right" to put others at risk with their behavior. People like you and I should not "stay home" because others refuse to wear a mask. This virus is not "like the flu." And no, it will not "go away" if Trump loses in November. Believing and repeating such things demonstrates a selfish ignorance and/or a disconnect with reality.

People don’t complain their rights are being violated when they buckle into a government mandated seatbelt. And are so careful to keep their passengers safe by insisting they buckle up.

Masks are achieving a similar end...they are reducing the potential mortality of the population at large. The selfish arrogance of some people is beyond comprehension to me.

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they put a mandate in place here in the midwest but, the people here are still not masking.
 
hollydolly said:
I hope he does.. but I have a feeling he'll back out of making it mandatory, he seems to be terrified of making solid decisions .. which is a shame because everyone in Scotland are following the rules laid down by sturgeon and wearing mask in enclosed spaces..
It really annoys me that a large proportion of people in England seem to not be taking this pandemic seriously.. all the nay-sayers, and the conspiracy speculators.. . How hard is it to wear a mask indoors for a short period of time.? I understand people who have lung conditions ( I'm asthmatic myself and still wear a mask ) but healthy people should be interested in saving their own health if not other peoples.

I have to really come to the conclusion that if the health service wasn't free here, then perhaps people would think very differently about looking after their health
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Even with good insurance most Americans have significant co-pays when hospitalized. Not even a potentially devastating illness and serious pain in the wallet manages to inspire all to mask up in public.
 
I'm all for people taking advantage of the situation, but it does seem that many businesses are charging exhorbitant prices for masks. The best thing is to make your own, if you can. It's also advisable to wash them in disinfectant before wearing them. After all, they will be worn next to your mouth and you need to ensure that they are germ-free or it would rather defeat the purpose of wearing them.
 
The current mask debate reminds me of the old cigarette smoking debate. Both behaviors have great potential to hurt innocent people who just want to live without being infringed upon. I remember being sandwiched at work between two chain smokers. As the non-smoker, I had no rights. I developed some lung problems at the time and to this day, I have to be careful about pneumonia. Do what you want when no one else is around but don't be a selfish jerk when they are around.
 
It's the wise and considerate thing to do during a pandemic like this, luckily the majority of people where I live are sane and taking recommended precautions. Hopefully there will come the day when the danger has subsided and we can safely get back to a more normal life. Never thought I'd be living through a pandemic in America, but I am making that best of it. Wearing a mask is hardly too much to ask. :rolleyes:
 
Masks are required here when in a store or public building. I've never seen anyone without one.
I wear one when shopping because it's required & I don't want others to be worried; not because I think it protects me or anyone from me. It doesn't.
 
SeaBreeze said:
It's the wise and considerate thing to do during a pandemic like this, luckily the majority of people where I live are sane and taking recommended precautions. Hopefully there will come the day when the danger has subsided and we can safely get back to a more normal life. Never thought I'd be living through a pandemic in America, but I am making that best of it. Wearing a mask is hardly too much to ask. :rolleyes:
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In my State my Governor has left it up to States local leaders to make that decision so going from town to town it can change. In my city you have to wear a mask when inside a public place such as a grocery store or retail store. People seem to be following that rule, but when outside hardly anyone wears a mask.
 
Bus Driver Dies From Attack by Passengers Refusing to Wear Masks.....

a group of men in the city of Bayonne, France attacked a local bus driver after they were asked to wear masks. According to a report from the Guardian, Philippe Monguillot, the 59-year-old bus driver, later died after being declared brain dead.

The attack took place on Sunday, after Monguillot refused to let a group of people on the bus because they were not wearing face masks. In France, masks are mandatory on public transportation as the coronavirus pandemic continues. The four men, three of whom were not wearing masks, then attacked Monguillot before fleeing to one of the men’s apartments.

Following the attack, Monguillot was pronounced brain dead on Tuesday and later died on Friday.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bus-driver-dies-attack-passengers-221953341.html

(This is beyond standing your ground according to the law :( )
 
I was so glad to see EVERYONE wearing masks when I went grocery shopping yesterday! There was not one person without a mask I'm happy to say. As of the end of this week they have now mandated it for my county to wear masks. I think they should have done it sooner but am still glad everyone must do it now.
 
PopsnTuff said:
Bus Driver Dies From Attack by Passengers Refusing to Wear Masks.....

a group of men in the city of Bayonne, France attacked a local bus driver after they were asked to wear masks. According to a report from the Guardian, Philippe Monguillot, the 59-year-old bus driver, later died after being declared brain dead.

The attack took place on Sunday, after Monguillot refused to let a group of people on the bus because they were not wearing face masks. In France, masks are mandatory on public transportation as the coronavirus pandemic continues. The four men, three of whom were not wearing masks, then attacked Monguillot before fleeing to one of the men’s apartments.

Following the attack, Monguillot was pronounced brain dead on Tuesday and later died on Friday.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bus-driver-dies-attack-passengers-221953341.html

(This is beyond standing your ground according to the law :( )
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How incredibly sad. A bus driver who is brave enough to drive them to their destination gets his brains bashed in for doing his job. Unbelievable. 😰
 
What a difference a day makes!!!!!! Having posted yesterday that PM Johnson may mandate on wearing facial covering in shops , his minister Michael Gove has said that he does not believe face coverings should be compulsory in shops saying he trust people's 'common sense' and therefore it can only be concluded that it will not be mandated. Of course we may have track and trace re: the virus but we don't have a track and trace re: those who do not have common sense!!!!!!!!!!! I believe Scotland has mandated wearing face coverings in shops :unsure: not sure about Wales. But I guess like those in US and/or Canada different states have different mandates. It seems the UK is divided on the issue of face coverings, which leads me to pose the question: does anyone in positions of 'power/leadership' be it a PM or President know what they are talking about or how to handle this pandemic. Even virology scientists can't agree. Surely a World Forum, if you like, might help to establish how to beat this virus, all countries could provide information on how they are tackling it, what their methods are, best practices for reducing infection etc etc. That way if everyone is attempting to 'sing from the same hymn sheet' so to speak we might be able to avoid spikes and avoid a continuous perpetuation of the virus. Just some thoughts. ☺

Hope I didn't go off piste .
 
Just today on Face the Nation.....Surgeon General Jerome Adams was the guest , and he was promoting the use of masks. But !......the show host [Margaret Brennan] had & showed video of just two months ago where he , the Surgeon General himself, was on her very same show,was stating that in his opinion the masks served no purpose for the general public. Brennan showed an additional clip from a slightly newer show where he said the same thing, masks serve no purpose , for the general public. But there he was today, wearing one, and bible-thumpin' for them.

Now, which is correct? and or why the change? .......... Maybe he bought stock in 3M .... ;)

I'm not saying do not wear one, and I'm not saying wear one ......... My 'position' is .... do what you feel is right for you.

One thing I will add is ......... this back & forth / confusion from the beginning, sure has people screwed up. IMO it has become more of a political thing than medical advise?
 
PopsnTuff said:
Bus Driver Dies From Attack by Passengers Refusing to Wear Masks.....

a group of men in the city of Bayonne, France attacked a local bus driver after they were asked to wear masks. According to a report from the Guardian, Philippe Monguillot, the 59-year-old bus driver, later died after being declared brain dead.

The attack took place on Sunday, after Monguillot refused to let a group of people on the bus because they were not wearing face masks. In France, masks are mandatory on public transportation as the coronavirus pandemic continues. The four men, three of whom were not wearing masks, then attacked Monguillot before fleeing to one of the men’s apartments.

Following the attack, Monguillot was pronounced brain dead on Tuesday and later died on Friday.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bus-driver-dies-attack-passengers-221953341.html

(This is beyond standing your ground according to the law :( )
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This is to be expected when employees who are paid to do one job are asked to play cop.
 
win231 said:
This is to be expected when employees who are paid to do one job are asked to play cop.
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No this happens when an employee is doing his job in requesting the people entering on his bus to wear a mask and those people who feel their "freedoms" are being taken away become mentally unstable. This man was just doing his job. He was attacked for doing his job. Why? Why was he attacked and lost his life? Because of idiots who refuse to wear a mask. Shameless.
 
Becky1951 said:
No this happens when an employee is doing his job in requesting the people entering on his bus to wear a mask and those people who feel their "freedoms" are being taken away become mentally unstable. This man was just doing his job. He was attacked for doing his job. Why? Why was he attacked and lost his life? Because of idiots who refuse to wear a mask. Shameless.
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Totally agree Becky 1951. This man has simply gone to work to provide for his family or people in his life. I feel near to tears that he may have left a wife children siblings mother/father etc. who will grow up without him in their life, because of some selfish selfish thugs. They clearly have no idea of the long term psychological damage they have caused to a large number of people associated with him. It makes me so so:mad: Of course even if they have a sentence they will still have time for a life. Too sad.
 
I think I [if I were the driver] would have been the one to get off the bus. If the bus does not move, after awhile all the passengers will get off of it.
 

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