JaniceM
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The debate over masks.
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Treacle
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The problem is rgp, if I may, I wonder if he had got off the bus would they still have attacked him for not getting them to their destination. Thugs are thugs. If their reaction to being told they could not get on the bus without a mask resulted in the attack and death of that individual, one has to question their emotional/psychological stability and more importantly, if this was now, what will they be like when they are older.
It was over wearing a face mask that protects themselves and others and I wonder how they would feel if they were told one of their relatives had caught Covid 19 due to, lets say a visitor, who did not wear a mask when they should have done, and consequently the relative was on a ventillator, in a coma, and not likely to survive. I wish people would see the videos of people who have gone through this or listen to their accounts. This is serious business. OK if you don't get it or have mild symptoms but if it hits you hard ...........
Sorry, needed to get that out because I fear we will see another spike over here because it seems that people believe it's all over now that you can get your haircut, go to the pub etc etc.
Whom the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad - and that unfortunately seems to be where we're heading. Just some thoughts ☺
It was over wearing a face mask that protects themselves and others and I wonder how they would feel if they were told one of their relatives had caught Covid 19 due to, lets say a visitor, who did not wear a mask when they should have done, and consequently the relative was on a ventillator, in a coma, and not likely to survive. I wish people would see the videos of people who have gone through this or listen to their accounts. This is serious business. OK if you don't get it or have mild symptoms but if it hits you hard ...........
Sorry, needed to get that out because I fear we will see another spike over here because it seems that people believe it's all over now that you can get your haircut, go to the pub etc etc.
Whom the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad - and that unfortunately seems to be where we're heading. Just some thoughts ☺
Uh.....no. Assuming a mask protects you from others, if the bus driver was wearing a mask, he would be protected from anyone who wasn't wearing a mask. So he would have no reason to confront anyone. So, he was playing cop - whether or not he was asked to. Stupid either way. A bus driver's job is to drive the bus.
A cop has a gun, taser, & authority & the ability to summon help quickly. A bus driver has none.
Treacle
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But win231, if I may,we had inspectors on the buses years ago and I think we still have a few, so what if an inspector had seen passengers without masks. Would the driver had lost his job because s/he didn't comply with the 'rules? Take your point though. Personally I would like policemen/women on buses, trains and the underground so there is support for transport workers especially during this pandemic. Just a thought. ☺
debodun
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It bothers me that people are relying on those pleated accordion style masks. They tend to slip down. Even when in place, they leave big gaps on the sides and where it goes over the nose (red arrows). I have a cup style that has a small metal strip on the top to pinch over the nose to ensure a snug fit and it also doesn't leave a gap near the cheeks.
rgp
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OK, but it beats being beaten to death , does it not ?
I doubt the bus went anywhere after all.
rgp
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That's something we'll never know now ......but, since he was out numbered, at least he would have had room to run.
Treacle
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The transit company he works for required all passengers and drivers to wear masks. He was doing his job in requesting passengers to wear masks. No mask no service. He was not playing cop.
His death was not his fault which it seems your implying.
StarSong
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Some of my accordion style masks came with pipe cleaners in the top hem so they adjust to a snug fit. I put a slit in the hems of those that didn't have pipe cleaners and inserted them myself.
My head is on the smaller side. On masks that are too big, I've reduced the slack by putting a little knot in the elastic.
Sewn masks are pretty easy to customize for fit. Disposables are not.
My doctor's office advised this rule of thumb. When wearing a mask, if you can blow out a candle or match a couple of inches from your face, either the weave or the fit is insufficient to protect others from your exhaled breath.
I doubt any city would pay police officers to be on every bus to enforce the mask policy. And if my boss told me to do it, I'd say, "That's a job for law enforcement, & if you want to fire me, be my guest. See ya in court.
I'm not implying that his death was his fault. That's what you're misinterpreting. I'm saying he did something he should have known was foolish.
He was outnumbered & lacked the authority, equipment & manpower to enforce a law.
Besides, I doubt the fight started after some kind words.
MarciKS
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Those are the masks the medical profession has. The medical workers aren't all wearing N-95s. Some are wearing ones that look like duck bills. The only ones with N-95s are the folks in direct contact with COVID pts as well as hospital security.
StarSong
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I have some N95s that I bought back in 2018 after seeing a TedTalk that warned of this very type of pandemic.
MarciKS
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Cool. Do you feel any safer in them? Aren't they harder to breathe in?
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
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- Los Angeles Suburbs
I do feel safer in them and use them for grocery shopping and other indoor, public encounters . No harder to breathe through than the fabric masks I use for social distance visits and other outdoor encounters.
Treacle
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Well the PM has made his decision despite Minister Gove not wanting to mandate the wearing of face coverings. On the 24th of this month everyone must wear a face covering in shops. Those who don't or refuse will be fined a £100. Watch this space. It could all change. 
AnnieA
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I have asthma and bought a bunch of N95s super cheap 2015ish. It was after the Ebola scare. When Covid finally burns through or out, look for really good deals.
Kayelle
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- California, southern central coast
It’s not a mask, it’s a visible IQ test.
Treacle
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- Swindon Wiltshire UK
If anyone has a definition of clarity please let 'my' PM know!!!!!!!!!
So Minister Michael Grove said he didn't think it was necessary to mandate on face masks/coverings . PM overrides that and has made it illegal if you do not wear a face covering in shops. It is suggested that Gove and Johnson are in conflict with each other ,leading to the suggestion that this is was a political move (PM making it clear he's boss) rather than one based on health issues.
The term as I understand it is face covering not face mask leading to someone posing the question : does pulling up your jumper over your face constitute a covering??
There is no requirement in restaurants or pubs to wear face coverings or masks and let's not even talk about the 'idiots on the beach'.
So, if someone has a restaurant but owns a shop/outlet in or next to it would one have to wear the face coverings in one part of the establishment but not the other? I could go on ..............Just some thoughts ☺
So Minister Michael Grove said he didn't think it was necessary to mandate on face masks/coverings . PM overrides that and has made it illegal if you do not wear a face covering in shops. It is suggested that Gove and Johnson are in conflict with each other ,leading to the suggestion that this is was a political move (PM making it clear he's boss) rather than one based on health issues.
The term as I understand it is face covering not face mask leading to someone posing the question : does pulling up your jumper over your face constitute a covering??
There is no requirement in restaurants or pubs to wear face coverings or masks and let's not even talk about the 'idiots on the beach'.
So, if someone has a restaurant but owns a shop/outlet in or next to it would one have to wear the face coverings in one part of the establishment but not the other? I could go on ..............Just some thoughts ☺
I guess it would be impossible to require a face covering in a restaurant or pub. The coverings have to come off when eating or drinking, so almost by definition, faces are uncovered in those places. Every person has to decide whether they are willing to run the risk of being near unmasked strangers.
Ronni
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The servers/staff all wear masks here, by mandate. Patrons tend to wear masks while being seated, to order, interact with servers etc., and then remove them or pull them down to eat, re-positioning them as necessary to ask for more to drink, order dessert etc.
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
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- Los Angeles Suburbs
Why is he waiting 10 days for this to go into effect? Very odd.Well the PM has made his decision despite Minister Gove not wanting to mandate the wearing of face coverings. On the 24th of this month everyone must wear a face covering in shops. Those who don't or refuse will be fined a £100. Watch this space. It could all change.
Today I went clothes shopping. There was a place having an incredible sale today so I bought 6 pairs of 3/4 length summer pants, 6 beautiful new tops and 2 great sports bras. They only let so many people in at a time. Masks are mandatory. If you don’t have one on you are turned away. It’s been made law now. People can get fined if they try and go into stores without one
Plus I was extra pleased since they also give senior discounts. Can you believe that I forgot about this cool factor. Geez! There’s actually perks to getting old.
Anyway I had an awesome day today. I even figured out how to record onto my iPad. Yayyy. Now I need to learn how to upload it to ‘soundcloud’ and make some sound clips for sharing. Another yayyy.
Plus I was extra pleased since they also give senior discounts. Can you believe that I forgot about this cool factor. Geez! There’s actually perks to getting old.
Anyway I had an awesome day today. I even figured out how to record onto my iPad. Yayyy. Now I need to learn how to upload it to ‘soundcloud’ and make some sound clips for sharing. Another yayyy.
That’s crazy.
