The eternal question.....Did men walk on the Moon?

I do have a question...how on earth (pun intended) did they lose all specs, tech, videos, transcripts and all archival info from the moon program? NASA admitted this very fact. Who-if it is the greatest thing since sliced bread-and an achievement for all mankind, do you lose such valuable, important and irreplaceable stuff?

I mean most people on here have receipts for everything. You have you bill of sale for your car even if it is 5 years old, your tv, your tax slips from 10 years ago or more, and while these are important, you could with a little work get replacements for them if misplaced. But, you lose arguably th emost important docs in human history.

According to NASA...Apollo 11 lander consumed just over 2200kg of fuel to get back to lunar orbit from the moons surface. Add that to the enormity of the weight of the men inside, (450lbs min) the lead lining around the module to protect from radiation (hundreds of lbs-no official listing but lead ain't light), the module itself (they say 10776 lbs) the thermal protection blankets (I found 175 lbs?) the samples of dust and rocks (? varies from 50 lbs to 200) and you get enormous weight. But the one that struck me is where did they store 2200kgs of fuel? Look at the pics of the LM. Where would that much weight be stored. That is not a small amount of fuel.

Then the camera that filmed the actual first steps on the moon. NASA said it was attached to the frame. Ok, maybe, but how did it survive the Van Allen Radiation belts, the extreme temps it encountered with no damage or distortion of the video inside? How did it turn on and off via remote. What kind of tech was that advanced in 1969 to be able to receive a signal to control a device on the moon. What wifi did they use LOL.!

And of course you can't ask these questions about the tech because, well they lost it all!!
 

Van Allen Radiation Belt Power​

The Van Allen Radiation Belt is a region of intense radiation surrounding Earth, comprising two main belts: the Inner Van Allen Belt and the Outer Van Allen Belt. The radiation levels vary greatly within these belts, but here are some key points to illustrate their power:
  • Intensity: The radiation levels in the Van Allen belts are extremely high, with intensities reaching up to 1000 times higher than normal space radiation. This is due to the accumulation of energetic charged particles, mostly protons and electrons, trapped by Earth’s magnetic field.
  • Energy: The energies of these particles range from a few hundred electronvolts (eV) to several hundred thousand eV. This is much higher than the energies of particles in normal space radiation, which typically range from a few eV to a few hundred eV.
  • Dose rate: The dose rate, or the rate at which radiation is absorbed, varies greatly within the belts. In the Inner Van Allen Belt, the dose rate can reach up to 1000 rads per hour (1000 cGy/h), while in the Outer Van Allen Belt, it’s typically much lower, around 0.1-1 rad/h (0.1-1 cGy/h).
  • Exposure time: The length of exposure to the Van Allen belts affects the radiation dose received. For example, astronauts flying through the Inner Van Allen Belt for a short period (e.g., a few hours) would receive a relatively low and harmless dose of radiation, while prolonged exposure (e.g., days or weeks) could result in a lethal dose.

Comparison to Other Radiation Sources​

To put the Van Allen Radiation Belt’s power into perspective:
  • Solar flares: The radiation from a severe solar flare can deliver a dose rate of up to 1000 rads/h (1000 cGy/h), comparable to the Inner Van Allen Belt’s dose rate.
  • Nuclear reactors: The radiation levels near a nuclear reactor can reach up to 100 rads/h (100 cGy/h), significantly lower than the Van Allen belts.
  • Medical radiation therapy: The dose rates used in radiation therapy for cancer treatment typically range from 0.1-10 rads/min (0.1-10 cGy/min), much lower than the Van Allen belts.
Look at this realistically. Did they have this anti radiation tech in 1969? Funny how even in 2024 at Nuclear plants they restrict exposure with special suits to mins. I am pretty sure tech improved since 1969, yet still it kills the most protected people.

Heck look at wifi signals...causes illness in some people, goes through walls and so on. Its WIFI!
 

David777 said:
After leaving late this morning after suggesting per post above members not feed this ridiculous troll like thread any member is of course free to do, then my spending 9 hours at an event to the north before returning this evening, I had a suspicion some of the same usual members that get baited into trying to argue topics like this would do so again, unable to resist. And the same few members that tend to thrive on identifying as believers of conspiracies, in fact yes jumped in to say, I do again, like they are on some kind of irritating conspiracy team to be proud of.

And of course the discussion against "we didn't land on the moon" went no where, convincing none of them as that is just as futile folks as trying to argue with someone pushing "the earth is flat" nonsense. Post links, offer common sense, negate their points for the nth time, call the position names, but don't expect them to actually read or even consider anything other than making responses to make those that can't resist do so more so they can stay up on their soap box and receive the satisfaction of a response. It is termed "sealioning".

Some on a conspiracy team of course actually believe what they are pushing because they just lack knowledge, have low intelligence, and or common sense. Others know their position is false but do so merely to irritate those that usually argue against whatever, sometimes for sport.

There are web sites where trolls and hackers talk about such tactics especially on the Dark Web. Real trolls of course make a game of these things then brag to others on boards with like others. It has been some years since I posted how trolls play their games so will do so again since many ordinary folk don't understand how such games are played.

8 Common Internet Trolling Tactics (And How to Handle Them) - Samantha North

This longer page includes notes on "trolling club websites" like on 4chan dot com.

What Is Trolling?
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I think people believe crazy conspiracy theories so they can fit in with other conspiracy theorists. We all need a place where we feel like we fit in.
 
How many conspiracy theories turn out to be true? A lot.

A theory is a one thing, but calling it a conspiracy is another.

While not an american, wait till someone in Trumps administration releases, fbi and cia files on JFK, 911 and so on.

Also more than 90% of Americans do not believe 911 as we are told. What happened to building 7 LOL!!
Thermo fires in the basement months later. Days after 911 if you said any of this you were the ultimate conspiracy theorist. But now it is norm.

You will see from the releases all around the world that covid was a psyop, and fake. Then what will you say? Nothing. Cause you never admit it when you are wrong.

For those Canadians there is a Bell Canada conspiracy that turned out to be true. When they initiated the jab or no job garbage, many refused it. But many took it. The HR manager started reporting deaths to the top. She left a while later as the upper frauds told her to keep it quiet. Under her, 7 people died in the first months after the jab, 9 more got ill and were on leave. Currently in the courts so hush order. Wait till it comes out. Just like John Horgan of BC. The premier took 2 or 3 jabs, got turbo cancer, resigned, and is now dead.

WMD's in Iraq. CT's were posting in news papers and the early online stages of the internet that this was not true. 10's of thousands of lives of US and other nations later, a million Iraq deaths, unfathomable destruction, and viola, no WMDS.

Believe what you want about CT's, and lump anyone and everyone into the CT category, but more often than not they have a much better rate of success in finding the truth than everyone else. They just sound crazy cause you have such a closed mind that anything against your personal internal beliefs is a CT. Key in Psychology and Philosophy ideals. Your internal dialogue will never admit you were wrong about something you adamantly fought about/against when finding out you were wrong.

Truth always comes out in the end.
 
By the way, here are some conspiracy theories that the govt and people said were not true;

Gulf War Syndrome, MK Ultra, Canadian Residential Schools, Internment camps in North America of Asians, Massive sexual abuse in the Church, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments, US Indian sterilization project, Epstein Island, Operation Northwoods, etc, etc, etc. But all turned out to be true. As with 911 and Covid, the moon landings, and vaccines. Just wait and see.
 
Tazx said:
How many conspiracy theories turn out to be true? A lot.

A theory is a one thing, but calling it a conspiracy is another.

While not an american, wait till someone in Trumps administration releases, fbi and cia files on JFK, 911 and so on.

Also more than 90% of Americans do not believe 911 as we are told. What happened to building 7 LOL!!
Thermo fires in the basement months later. Days after 911 if you said any of this you were the ultimate conspiracy theorist. But now it is norm.

You will see from the releases all around the world that covid was a psyop, and fake. Then what will you say? Nothing. Cause you never admit it when you are wrong.

For those Canadians there is a Bell Canada conspiracy that turned out to be true. When they initiated the jab or no job garbage, many refused it. But many took it. The HR manager started reporting deaths to the top. She left a while later as the upper frauds told her to keep it quiet. Under her, 7 people died in the first months after the jab, 9 more got ill and were on leave. Currently in the courts so hush order. Wait till it comes out. Just like John Horgan of BC. The premier took 2 or 3 jabs, got turbo cancer, resigned, and is now dead.

WMD's in Iraq. CT's were posting in news papers and the early online stages of the internet that this was not true. 10's of thousands of lives of US and other nations later, a million Iraq deaths, unfathomable destruction, and viola, no WMDS.

Believe what you want about CT's, and lump anyone and everyone into the CT category, but more often than not they have a much better rate of success in finding the truth than everyone else. They just sound crazy cause you have such a closed mind that anything against your personal internal beliefs is a CT. Key in Psychology and Philosophy ideals. Your internal dialogue will never admit you were wrong about something you adamantly fought about/against when finding out you were wrong.

Truth always comes out in the end.
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Well stated!! Those who use the term "conspiracy theorist", are those who have nothing intelligent to add to a particular subject, and they dismiss the truth as such. They are those who are indoctrinated by the government narratives, and what they see in the news, and more often than not, they have been proved wrong, and this would happen more often if we had an honest government, not a corrupt cast of liars!
 
Tazx said:

Van Allen Radiation Belt Power​

The Van Allen Radiation Belt is a region of intense radiation surrounding Earth, comprising two main belts: the Inner Van Allen Belt and the Outer Van Allen Belt. The radiation levels vary greatly within these belts, but here are some key points to illustrate their power:
  • Intensity: The radiation levels in the Van Allen belts are extremely high, with intensities reaching up to 1000 times higher than normal space radiation. This is due to the accumulation of energetic charged particles, mostly protons and electrons, trapped by Earth’s magnetic field.
  • Energy: The energies of these particles range from a few hundred electronvolts (eV) to several hundred thousand eV. This is much higher than the energies of particles in normal space radiation, which typically range from a few eV to a few hundred eV.
  • Dose rate: The dose rate, or the rate at which radiation is absorbed, varies greatly within the belts. In the Inner Van Allen Belt, the dose rate can reach up to 1000 rads per hour (1000 cGy/h), while in the Outer Van Allen Belt, it’s typically much lower, around 0.1-1 rad/h (0.1-1 cGy/h).
  • Exposure time: The length of exposure to the Van Allen belts affects the radiation dose received. For example, astronauts flying through the Inner Van Allen Belt for a short period (e.g., a few hours) would receive a relatively low and harmless dose of radiation, while prolonged exposure (e.g., days or weeks) could result in a lethal dose.

Comparison to Other Radiation Sources​

To put the Van Allen Radiation Belt’s power into perspective:
  • Solar flares: The radiation from a severe solar flare can deliver a dose rate of up to 1000 rads/h (1000 cGy/h), comparable to the Inner Van Allen Belt’s dose rate.
  • Nuclear reactors: The radiation levels near a nuclear reactor can reach up to 100 rads/h (100 cGy/h), significantly lower than the Van Allen belts.
  • Medical radiation therapy: The dose rates used in radiation therapy for cancer treatment typically range from 0.1-10 rads/min (0.1-10 cGy/min), much lower than the Van Allen belts.
Look at this realistically. Did they have this anti radiation tech in 1969? Funny how even in 2024 at Nuclear plants they restrict exposure with special suits to mins. I am pretty sure tech improved since 1969, yet still it kills the most protected people.

Heck look at wifi signals...causes illness in some people, goes through walls and so on. Its WIFI!
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I saw an interview where on astronaut was asked about the Van Allen Belt, and he didn't even know what it was lol!!!
 
Tazx said:
I do have a question...how on earth (pun intended) did they lose all specs, tech, videos, transcripts and all archival info from the moon program? NASA admitted this very fact. Who-if it is the greatest thing since sliced bread-and an achievement for all mankind, do you lose such valuable, important and irreplaceable stuff?

I mean most people on here have receipts for everything. You have you bill of sale for your car even if it is 5 years old, your tv, your tax slips from 10 years ago or more, and while these are important, you could with a little work get replacements for them if misplaced. But, you lose arguably th emost important docs in human history.

According to NASA...Apollo 11 lander consumed just over 2200kg of fuel to get back to lunar orbit from the moons surface. Add that to the enormity of the weight of the men inside, (450lbs min) the lead lining around the module to protect from radiation (hundreds of lbs-no official listing but lead ain't light), the module itself (they say 10776 lbs) the thermal protection blankets (I found 175 lbs?) the samples of dust and rocks (? varies from 50 lbs to 200) and you get enormous weight. But the one that struck me is where did they store 2200kgs of fuel? Look at the pics of the LM. Where would that much weight be stored. That is not a small amount of fuel.

Then the camera that filmed the actual first steps on the moon. NASA said it was attached to the frame. Ok, maybe, but how did it survive the Van Allen Radiation belts, the extreme temps it encountered with no damage or distortion of the video inside? How did it turn on and off via remote. What kind of tech was that advanced in 1969 to be able to receive a signal to control a device on the moon. What wifi did they use LOL.!

And of course you can't ask these questions about the tech because, well they lost it all!!
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It begs the question, did those items ever even exist lol? By now, anyone with one functioning brain cell, knows that man has not walked on the moon. And as far as whomever filmed the first "giant step for mankind", that person would have been the first to walk on the moon in order to set the camera up to film it lol!! My final conclusion is...man never walked on the moon, and never will!
 
Tazx said:
I do have a question...how on earth (pun intended) did they lose all specs, tech, videos, transcripts and all archival info from the moon program? NASA admitted this very fact. Who-if it is the greatest thing since sliced bread-and an achievement for all mankind, do you lose such valuable, important and irreplaceable stuff?

I mean most people on here have receipts for everything. You have you bill of sale for your car even if it is 5 years old, your tv, your tax slips from 10 years ago or more, and while these are important, you could with a little work get replacements for them if misplaced. But, you lose arguably th emost important docs in human history.

According to NASA...Apollo 11 lander consumed just over 2200kg of fuel to get back to lunar orbit from the moons surface. Add that to the enormity of the weight of the men inside, (450lbs min) the lead lining around the module to protect from radiation (hundreds of lbs-no official listing but lead ain't light), the module itself (they say 10776 lbs) the thermal protection blankets (I found 175 lbs?) the samples of dust and rocks (? varies from 50 lbs to 200) and you get enormous weight. But the one that struck me is where did they store 2200kgs of fuel? Look at the pics of the LM. Where would that much weight be stored. That is not a small amount of fuel.

Then the camera that filmed the actual first steps on the moon. NASA said it was attached to the frame. Ok, maybe, but how did it survive the Van Allen Radiation belts, the extreme temps it encountered with no damage or distortion of the video inside? How did it turn on and off via remote. What kind of tech was that advanced in 1969 to be able to receive a signal to control a device on the moon. What wifi did they use LOL.!

And of course you can't ask these questions about the tech because, well they lost it all!!
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Great points which few who doubt us, even consider when trying (in vain) to argue the point! Also, the footprints left by Armstrong on the plastic moon lol, do not match the shoes he actually had on! It was an attempt to gain notoriety over the Russians in the great space race, a race that.....never got off the ground lol!
 
How was Neil Armstrong filmed climbing down the ladder of the LEM?

Neil Armstrong was filmed climbing down the ladder of the Lunar Module (LEM) during the Apollo 11 mission using a specially mounted television camera on the exterior of the spacecraft. Here's how it worked:
  1. Camera Placement: A Westinghouse Lunar Surface Television Camera was stowed in the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), a compartment located on the outside of the Lunar Module's descent stage.
  2. Deployment: When Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong prepared for the moonwalk, they deployed the MESA. This action lowered the television camera to an angle where it could capture the ladder and the lunar surface.
  3. Signal Transmission: The camera broadcasted its signal to Earth in real-time via the Lunar Module's communication system. NASA then relayed the signal to the global audience, though there were quality adjustments made as it was converted for broadcast.
  4. Television Innovation: The camera used a slow-scan television (SSTV) format, which was optimized for the available bandwidth. NASA's engineers on Earth converted this SSTV signal into a standard TV signal for viewing on conventional televisions.
This ingenious setup allowed millions of people on Earth to watch Neil Armstrong take humanity's first step on the Moon on July 20, 1969.
 
HermitHogan said:
How was Neil Armstrong filmed climbing down the ladder of the LEM?

Neil Armstrong was filmed climbing down the ladder of the Lunar Module (LEM) during the Apollo 11 mission using a specially mounted television camera on the exterior of the spacecraft. Here's how it worked:
  1. Camera Placement: A Westinghouse Lunar Surface Television Camera was stowed in the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), a compartment located on the outside of the Lunar Module's descent stage.
  2. Deployment: When Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong prepared for the moonwalk, they deployed the MESA. This action lowered the television camera to an angle where it could capture the ladder and the lunar surface.
  3. Signal Transmission: The camera broadcasted its signal to Earth in real-time via the Lunar Module's communication system. NASA then relayed the signal to the global audience, though there were quality adjustments made as it was converted for broadcast.
  4. Television Innovation: The camera used a slow-scan television (SSTV) format, which was optimized for the available bandwidth. NASA's engineers on Earth converted this SSTV signal into a standard TV signal for viewing on conventional televisions.
This ingenious setup allowed millions of people on Earth to watch Neil Armstrong take humanity's first step on the Moon on July 20, 1969.
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Thank you for that explanation. I read that as well. But again where is the tech? And how was the camera shielded? How was the old tech video kept safe from all the radiation and temperature changes between earths surface and all the levels of thermosphere, exosphere, space, moon etc?
 
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