The global decline in male testosterone levels; is it really a problem?

Murrmurr

Murrmurr

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Setting aside the fact I have a huge crush on this lady (which I can't quite explain), I highly recommend Sabine's ballsy, under 15 minute video on the global-wide decline of men's testosterone level. (...ballsy. ah yeah, maybe that's the attraction.)


I disagree with Sabby on one point (my other pet name for her is Beanie); I do think that genetic changes, or human evolution, can happen relatively quickly. So maybe, like many other mammals, this very real decline is due to overcrowding as well as the other factors my little love-Bean mentioned. (unrequited, needless to say)

That said, I don't know how anyone can dispute the dietary argument. We've been eating inadequately nutritious, even toxic food for 2 going on 3 generations, and I've been griping about it for decades.
 

Interesting! As a woman, I've noticed for years men becoming more and more effeminate.
(higher voices, feminine movements, make-up on men, shaving their body hair, fear, lack of courage, feminine dress)
I think it may be related to women becoming more aggressive and dominating too.
 

I had prostate cancer several years ago and recovered completely from it last year. But the Doctor continues to watch my PSA and my Testosterone very closely. When I completed the hormone treatment, my testosterone and PSA had both been driven down close to zero. Within six months my testosterone came back up to 450 which is in the normal range for a man of my age. My PSA stayed close to zero.

I had bloodwork done earlier this week and while my PSA stayed close to zero, my testosterone has climbed up to 701 which is unusual for a guy about to turn 80. I do not know if there is any great significance to that. I do workout quite a bit and watch what I eat. All of my other bloodwork was great.

I have an appointment with my urologist next week and am hoping that he has some kind of an explanation. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary. I sure as the devil do not want to go through another bout of prostate cancer.
 
Gaer said:
Interesting! As a woman, I've noticed for years men becoming more and more effeminate.
(higher voices, feminine movements, make-up on men, shaving their body hair, fear, lack of courage, feminine dress)
I think it may be related to women becoming more aggressive and dominating too.
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I agree with both points; men have become less ...robust, let's say, and women more assertive. It can be argued that this is because we've gradually become more equal because society's thinking evolved, rather than our bodies or our chemistry. But it is interesting how various changes coincide with others.
 
Pecos said:
I had prostate cancer several years ago and recovered completely from it last year. But the Doctor continues to watch my PSA and my Testosterone very closely. When I completed the hormone treatment, my testosterone and PSA had both been driven down close to zero. Within six months my testosterone came back up to 450 which is in the normal range for a man of my age. My PSA stayed close to zero.

I had bloodwork done earlier this week and while my PSA stayed close to zero, my testosterone has climbed up to 701 which is unusual for a guy about to turn 80. I do not know if there is any great significance to that. I do workout quite a bit and watch what I eat. All of my other bloodwork was great.

I have an appointment with my urologist next week and am hoping that he has some kind of an explanation. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary. I sure as the devil do not want to go through another bout of prostate cancer.
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Maybe your high-T levels mean you should have more babies... :)
 
oldaunt said:
Too many manmade fabrics and no one knows what they are made of. Cotton may be expensive these days, but it wears, doesn't give me a rash, and I know what its made of. Same with wool and linen.
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You realize that not every synthetic is listed on the label.

Fabric manufacturers are only required to list the bits that exceed a certain percent, which I think is 18%.
BPA might be 0.0027% (I have no idea), and arsenic even less.
 
Murrmurr said:
I agree with both points; men have become less ...robust, let's say, and women more assertive. It can be argued that this is because we've gradually become more equal because society's thinking evolved, rather than our bodies or our chemistry. But it is interesting how various changes coincide with others.
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Sorry, Don't think our thinking has evolved from centuries of years past.
I think there once was a time when men of greatness walked the Earth
and than mankind, (all of us) have devolved over the thousands of years.
But, I give great worth to your opinion, @Murrmurr.
This is only my personal opinion.
 
Gaer said:
Interesting! As a woman, I've noticed for years men becoming more and more effeminate.
(higher voices, feminine movements, make-up on men, shaving their body hair, fear, lack of courage, feminine dress)
I think it may be related to women becoming more aggressive and dominating too.
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Now that you mention it......there seems to be less men I would be interested in if I were looking. Not that I'm looking...unless, well, where are the older men who I should be curious about?

It's testosterone, I will blame. Thank you.
 
Pecos said:
I had prostate cancer several years ago and recovered completely from it last year. But the Doctor continues to watch my PSA and my Testosterone very closely. When I completed the hormone treatment, my testosterone and PSA had both been driven down close to zero. Within six months my testosterone came back up to 450 which is in the normal range for a man of my age. My PSA stayed close to zero.

I had bloodwork done earlier this week and while my PSA stayed close to zero, my testosterone has climbed up to 701 which is unusual for a guy about to turn 80. I do not know if there is any great significance to that. I do workout quite a bit and watch what I eat. All of my other bloodwork was great.

I have an appointment with my urologist next week and am hoping that he has some kind of an explanation. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary. I sure as the devil do not want to go through another bout of prostate cancer.
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"I do workout quite a bit and watch what I eat."

That has a lot to do with it. Plus, according to that video, today's older men have higher testosterone levels than men in their 20s and 30s. And I think that has everything to do with diet and lifestyle, but in terms of evolution it could have to do with population growth and a more comfortable lifestyle, including way less strenuous work, no major wars for a long time, etc.
 
Gaer said:
Sorry, Don't think our thinking has evolved from centuries of years past.
I think there once was a time when men of greatness walked the Earth
and than mankind, (all of us) have devolved over the thousands of years.
But, I give great worth to your opinion, @Murrmurr.
This is only my personal opinion.
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Good point. Maybe the word change rather than evolved.
 
"While a manā€™s testosterone level will fall steadily as he ages, the researchers observed a speedier decline in average testosterone levels than would have been expected with aging alone.

They hypothesized that the rising prevalence of obesity as well as the sharp decline in cigarette smoking might help explain their findings, given that testosterone levels are lower among overweight people and smoking increases testosterone levels. But these factors accounted for only a small percentage of the observed difference.

Itā€™s likely that some sort of environmental exposure is responsible for the testosterone decline, Travison said, although he said attempting to explain what this might be based on the current findings would be ā€œpure conjecture.ā€

The researchers used body mass index, the ratio of height to weight, to estimate obesity levels, he noted, but this is not a very accurate way to gauge the real adiposity, or fat content of the body, so itā€™s possible that obesity might be more of a factor than it appears in this analysis.

ā€œI think like most things that are complex, itā€™s likely that there is no one cause,ā€ he said.

SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, January 2007. reuters.com "
 
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@win231 has been suggesting this for
a while now. We were warned! o_O
 
Our pioneer ancestors had to fight against the elements to stay alive.
As technology progresses, our lives are easier, softer. It will be even
more so with robotics. Maybe this might be a factor.
Also, many women take over the total parental responsibilities.
Boys have no masculine role models they way they did in the past.
only the feminine personality models. (who take over the male and female roles).
Add these other things mentioned, and we see there are many variants.
Shame though.
Is that why I love pictures of Vikings and Mountain men? haha!
 
Apparently, this is a worldwide phenonium. So local diets, clothes, contaminents, etc, could not produce a uniform global effect. And nobody truly knows why.
I don't know if it matters- there are soon to be 8 billion of us. So, men are performing, quite adequately, their primary function.
It just maybe that we have the right amount of testosterone, for our present life style???????
I wouldn't put much faith into dietary testosterone supplement claims .
 

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