Victoria
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The Global Fentanyl Plague
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FastTrax
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It's crazy and sad.
Victoria
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I don't understand the purpose of these programs that gives the drug users free supplies to help them do drugs better. They are enabling the drug users.
They are enabling the drug users.
Packerjohn
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I thought President Donald Trump was gonna make "America Great!" If you ask me, I'd say he failed and he failed real good.I don't understand the purpose of these programs that gives the drug users free supplies to help them do drugs better.
Sawfish
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Misplaced and excessive empathy...it's an increasing modern tendency.I don't understand the purpose of these programs that gives the drug users free supplies to help them do drugs better.
Lewkat
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A few years ago, when I had a severe gall bladder attack, the doctor ordered 25 mcgs of Fentanyl as I am allergic to Morphine. Well, I had a fit as the nurse had injected it into my IV drip without telling me first what it was. When I raised Cain with her, she informed me that people who have issues with Morphine are given this drug. It didn't touch me, and when I researched it fully after my surgery, I learned a lot about this drug. Medical Fentanyl is different from street Fentanyl, for one thing, yet is highly addictive and must be used only when absolutely necessary. We did not have this med around when I was active in nursing, so knew little or nothing about it.
Street Fentanyl may be mixed with all sorts of other drugs, and it can be lethal even after one dose. Anyone using this drug not under a doctor's care is just plain nuts.
Victoria
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- San Diego, California
Wow. That's why I would have to be in the kind of pain that makes me want to jump off a cliff before I will accept any pain meds stronger than Tylenol. Drugs scare me.
They take people's soul.
Victoria
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- San Diego, California
I understand what you're saying, but being a zombie on the street living in filth is worse than those things in my opinion. It's like shooting yourself in the foot so you can forget about the splinter in your finger.
Being a drug addict zombie is worse than death. You're just walking flesh. At least in death you can rest in peace. I don't mean being homeless on the street because you fell on hard times, I'm talking about drug addicts whether homeless or not. They are just a walking shell with brain turned to mush till they get clean off drugs. It's sad. Like that poem someone wrote.
Sawfish
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Living in the central part of Portland, OR, and having seen the transition 1st hand over the last 6-8 years, I can vouch for your observations.I understand what you're saying, but being a zombie on the street living in filth is worse than those things in my opinion. Being a drug addict zombie is worse than death. You're just walking flesh. At least in death you can rest in peace.
JaniceM
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This stuff is already so common AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE that at least 3 public school districts in the state have already started stocking Narcan in the schools for overdoses.
JaniceM
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Oh that really sucks.
JaniceM
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Oh no, I don't mean it's bad that the schools have Narcan.. I mean it sucks that the drug use is so common that it's even necessary to stock it.
Some might say or call it enabling.
Sawfish
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Heavens!!!
That would be like saying I don't like Mom, apple pie, *or* the flag!!!
Nope, not me, pal!
I'm an honest, decent, right-thinking citizen of the world...not like some I might mention...
JaniceM
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I tried to address this and related issues awhile back- maybe a year or two ago- not specifically about San Francisco.. but it didn't generate any interest.I don't understand the purpose of these programs that gives the drug users free supplies to help them do drugs better.
Victoria
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- San Diego, California
David777
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News today of a take down of one Mexican cartel operation in Oregon that also describes in some detail how they operate. As a native Californian, I'm a long time critic of both political parties, predatory real estate corporations, Wall Street their Global economy corporate endless growth and development, and their army of wealth seekers, pushing open borders and illegal immigration that has done tremendous damage in our nation especially in my state and SF Bay Area region while making the above elites wealthy.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cartel-flooded-coastal-oregon-town-100126286.html
snippet:
Victor Alvarez Farfan, a native of Michoacán, Mexico, headed the Portland drug ring blamed for bringing large amounts of meth, heroin and fentanyl across the border beginning in October 2017. He previously was convicted on federal drug charges in the U.S. and was deported at least twice. He had at least five aliases and kept slipping back into the U.S. He and Helida Montes, his partner for 16 years, settled their two children in Oregon City as Farfan grew his business, roping in two of his nephews. This case had some odd twists, including the involvement by a retired U.S. Marine and his wife, an agonizing test of family loyalties and a gruesome threat from Mexico. In just six months, smugglers brought across the border almost two kilos of fentanyl — up to 1 million lethal doses of the No. 1 drug killing Americans. That load was headed from Portland to Baltimore...
After agents toppled the Oregon drug network in 2018 and arrested 23 suspects, there were murders in Mexico that U.S. investigators suspect were meant to scare and silence potential witnesses in the Portland case. To an extent, it worked, illustrating how cartels manipulate on both sides of the border through threats and violence...
Known as CJNG, the cartel is a global powerhouse, detected on every continent except Antarctica. It has drug cells all across the U.S., even in tiny towns. It has an army of 5,000 members, including some former police officers. And, according to reports by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, CJNG and its rival, the infamous Sinaloa Cartel, are the top two suppliers fueling the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/cartel-flooded-coastal-oregon-town-100126286.html
snippet:
Victor Alvarez Farfan, a native of Michoacán, Mexico, headed the Portland drug ring blamed for bringing large amounts of meth, heroin and fentanyl across the border beginning in October 2017. He previously was convicted on federal drug charges in the U.S. and was deported at least twice. He had at least five aliases and kept slipping back into the U.S. He and Helida Montes, his partner for 16 years, settled their two children in Oregon City as Farfan grew his business, roping in two of his nephews. This case had some odd twists, including the involvement by a retired U.S. Marine and his wife, an agonizing test of family loyalties and a gruesome threat from Mexico. In just six months, smugglers brought across the border almost two kilos of fentanyl — up to 1 million lethal doses of the No. 1 drug killing Americans. That load was headed from Portland to Baltimore...
After agents toppled the Oregon drug network in 2018 and arrested 23 suspects, there were murders in Mexico that U.S. investigators suspect were meant to scare and silence potential witnesses in the Portland case. To an extent, it worked, illustrating how cartels manipulate on both sides of the border through threats and violence...
Known as CJNG, the cartel is a global powerhouse, detected on every continent except Antarctica. It has drug cells all across the U.S., even in tiny towns. It has an army of 5,000 members, including some former police officers. And, according to reports by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, CJNG and its rival, the infamous Sinaloa Cartel, are the top two suppliers fueling the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history.
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On one hand it's a demand issue ie the drug addicts buying and the dealers selling.If that culture could keep things in house amongst themselves I don't care. But they can't or won't.
On the other it IS the crimes such as murder and gang involvement. Regardless of opinion on the drugs there is still crime being committed by criminals that has to be dealt with.
The demand has to be lowered in a coordinated effort to lower the supply. But the culture always seems to come up with something new faster than ever.
On the other it IS the crimes such as murder and gang involvement. Regardless of opinion on the drugs there is still crime being committed by criminals that has to be dealt with.
The demand has to be lowered in a coordinated effort to lower the supply. But the culture always seems to come up with something new faster than ever.
debodun
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My cousin who's a hospice chaplain, had a funeral last week for a 21 year old man that ODed.
Wontactmyage
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There are non drug ways to deal with this. Facing life’s challenges do not need drugs.