The Great Canadian Culture Clash. OR ..How far do we go to " accept the New People "?

20 years ago my doctor detected I had a high level of internal bleeding. He wanted to run a lot of tests to find out what was causing it. I refused anymore tests and I'm still alive with the internal bleeding at 88. Somehow our bodies adjust and acclimate to very bad internal problems or we simply die from them.
 

I needed a laugh today and you certainly gave me one…unintended as it might of been. As a lperson who had worked in the medical profession for many years cumulating with 20 years as an nurse I can tell you noone group has a monopoly on weird. Everything from entitlement to crazy. Your nursing supervisor was a treasure…heartfelt kuddos to her.
 
Sorry you had to go through this and I'm hoping for the best possible outcome for you, but from my experience this could have been a member of any racial group. I've seen White people pull the "I'm more important than you" card many times.
 

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Jim - Sorry you had to endure that dreadful experience. I was surprised to hear that the hospital did not have private rooms. Is that common in Canada?
My last hospital stay had me in the same room with a man. Turned out he was harmless, a bit of a nut who practically lived in that room. It is quite common to have 2 to 4 patients in one room
 
Living in Canada all the last 77 years, I have to say that I am sorry to say but most Canadians seem to be "gutless" trying to please everyone all the time. Canadians are always yelling about their "human rights" which is rather nice in theory.

The problems in my country are only starting. Many immigrants want to become Canadians but they stick to their old ways of doing things. I know of 1 lady from India who is hard to please and rather "bossy" due to the fact that back in India her family had many servants and she never did a day's work in her life. Oh, she also doesn't like people that belong to different "castes." Go figure!

Communist Russia used to lie with propaganda about their 15 happy and singing ethnic republics all living and loving in harmony. Canada too is suppose to be a country of 100s of happy (but not singing and dancing) ethnic immigrants.

Canada is a very expensive country to live in. Most of the immigrants hold 2 or 3 jobs just to get by. I don't see any "singing and dancing" going on around here but every morning when I look out my window I sure do see a lot of "wage slaves."

"Welcome, welcome to our town; hopes nobody's gonna gun you down."
Tommy Cash, "Six White Horses"
yep you could be writing about the UK....
 
My last hospital stay had me in the same room with a man. Turned out he was harmless, a bit of a nut who practically lived in that room. It is quite common to have 2 to 4 patients in one room
they do their best now after much outcry not to house males and females in the same rooms/wards here...
 
Some of you know me as "Jimintoronto. A 76 year old Canadian man, who was born in Toronto. I have a serious medical condition, that involves low red blood cells ( Hemoglobin ). Since the start of 2023, I have spent a total of 14 weeks in 4 of the largest Toronto hospitals, where the Docs were trying to find the source of my blood leaks. I have had numerous colonoscopies, endoscopies, even had the "Flying Eye Ball Camera test " where a live camera ( the size of a large vitamin pill ) was swallowed and it slowly moved through my entire digestive tract, for 11 hours, taking full color photos every 3 seconds, which were transmitted to a exterior computer receiver that I was wearing around my stomach. NO signs of blood were ever found, in all of these tests. The Docs are puzzled, for sure.

So what has this got to do with "Canadian Culture Clashes " ?

Let me set the scene for you. Last Sunday July the second, my blood Hemoglobin ( red blood cells ) were so low that I fainted at home in the bathroom. Toronto Paramedics transported me to a very large Toronto Hospital, where I have been a in patient before. I was admitted through Emergency, and got 2 units of A Positive blood, with in a hour. The next morning I was moved to a 2 bed room on the 8th floor, medical internal unit.

NOW the drama begins. The room has 2 beds, divided by curtains, and 2 windows looking east across the Toronto skyline. When I arrived in the room, I was the only patient, at 9 AM. At 11 AM, a porter team brought in a large Indian man, and his very petite wife. As soon as the Wife saw the rom, she started giving the hospital porters and the floor nurses orders. The room was ( in her words ) too small, and the other person ( me ) must be moved. immediately !!!!!! I was in the bed beside the window, and the Wife started trying to push my bed into the hall.

The floor Nursing Supervisor showed up then. The NS was a very large , very black six foot tall woman from Nigeria. She told the Wife that beds were NOT to be moved, period. At that point the Indian Wife gave the NS the following information which I heard. The Husband is a VERY Important Man, who owns a very large Indian computer corporation back home. He MUST have a Private Room. The NS said....this hospital does not HAVE any private rooms. The Wife then said that SHE was going to hire a number of Nurses of the Hindu religion, and fly them from India to Canada , to take care of her Husband. The NS said...Not going to happen here. Our Registered Nurses are very capable to taking care of your Husband.

The next part of the drama, took place at around 5 PM that day, when 3 Indian women came in to the room, and brought in a large number of food containers made of tin. I was in my bed, about 12 feet from the other bed, and I was about to eat my hospital meal. The women opened the containers, and my stomach began to roll. The food was horribly smelly, and I was just able to stagger to the bathroom, and vomit into the toilet. I was able to quickly snatch my upper false teeth out of my mouth, before I threw up. I went back to my bed, slowly. I couldn't see what they were doing, because of the curtains, but I could smell SMOKE. Right, SMOKE. They were burning incense sticks, in THE ROOM. The smoke alarm started blaring, and nurses and other staff came running into the room, with fire extinguishers in their hands. Nursing Supervisor was livid, to say the least.

It turned out that a part of the horrible smell was some kind of "Home Remedy " ointment, that they had rubbed all over his body, as a way to "cure him". It smelled like sewer gas.

The Wife returned an hour later, with a large Hindu man, who was carrying a folding bed. She directed the servant to put the folding bed next to her Husband's bed, saying she would sleep there, to "protect him from the devils ". Pointing at ME, she said this "Man has to be removed from OUR ROOM '. Up until that point, I had been keeping my mouth shut, waiting for the Hospital administration to act. The Chief of Medical Staff arrived, and she pointed out that in Canada, patients are cared for and fed from a standard menu, which the patient can choose from, each day.

The Wife, said she would PAY for special food for her husband. The Chief of Medical Staff pointed out that " In Canada, you can't BUY your way around the rules, no matter how much money you may have ". The Wife went into full "Princess Mode " and stormed down the hall.

I asked the floor Nursing Supervisor, if I could be moved "Anywhere at all, away from this horrible couple ". She said what all good supervisors say....I am working on it ! ........At ONE AM that night, after sitting in the hallway in a chair for 7 hours, I was finally moved to another floor. The Porter who moved me said a surprising thing to me........That Woman is actually asleep IN HIS BED WITH HIM . The Porter had to go into my former room in order to retrieve my clothes and personal belongings for me. By the next morning the entire 3,000 staff had heard about what was being called the "Royal Couple ".

I came home this morning, July the 8th. Because the Docs cannot find the source of my internal bleeding, I will probably be back in a different hospital within 10 days. They have thrown every test and procedure at this problem that they can, all of which have been negative in nature.

My question to the SF group.......How far should North American society go, in terms of "Trying to please the New People "? Remember that in this case the Wife and Husband were in Canada on business, when he got sick and was hospitalized. How far backwards do we have to bend, to avoid hurting their feelings ?

Your comments ? JimB.
Did no one contact the hospital Administrator and Chief Physician over this dilemma?
 
Jim, may you never see the inside of a hospital room as a patient ever again. Healing vibes your way. Your story is incredible. If it were me, and I had the strength I'd...............but as a patient you probably didn't.

Send her to me and my big city mouth. I'd make her sorry she was ever born. I have experience in matters such as this.
 
As an R.N., and working in the medical field since 1968, you don't have to be a "furener" to be weird. I had one Irish -American wife, who kept sprinkling the roommate with "holy water". She dragged in 6 foot statues of saints, and an 8 foot crucifix. She had "devotive candles' burning. When a priest came to say the rosary, she lit incense. And she also had a cot by his bed. But when she wasn't sleeping, she was loudly praying. Her husband died. When the undertaker came to get the body, he was told he had to pick up his "belongings", he was not happy. It took him two pickup truck loads to take every statue and religious item.
They are out there!
He probably died just to get away from her...
 
Did no one contact the hospital Administrator and Chief Physician over this dilemma?
Yes. Both of them were physically present, at one time or another in this drama. BOTH of them were tap dancing faster than most people can do...I fully intend to contact the 3 daily Toronto newspapers about this situation that I found myself innocently involved in. The one outstanding feature was the amazing reluctance of ALL of the hospital administration to actually SAY NO to this woman, for fear of being labelled "A racist ". That insult in Canada is the death knell for many a career. That is why I titled this thread "The Great Canadian Cultural Clash ".

Post script. As of this morning July the 9th, I am shaky, wobbly when I try to walk and dizzy. My red blood cell problem will probably kill me, eventually. So far this year, since March, I have had eleven units of A positive blood transfused, plus 7 units of Plasma. That is just about twice the total amount of blood in the average adult. Even the very liberal Canadian medical system cannot support that cost for ever. So far, my 2023 hospital in patient billings have amounted to over $87,000.00 of which the Ontario Government has covered 79 percent, and my Wife's University of Toronto pension benefits have covered the rest. At this rate, my full year medical costs will be over $300,000.00 which will exhaust our ability to pay the uninsured portion of the costs. The house we own is 100 percent paid for, so selling it will loom in the near future, I fear. JimB.
 
The one outstanding feature was the amazing reluctance of ALL of the hospital administration to actually SAY NO to this woman, for fear of being labelled "A racist ". That insult in Canada is the death knell for many a career. That is why I titled this thread "The Great Canadian Cultural Clash ".
It sure is.

I’m still upset that you ended up in a hall in a chair for 7 hours waiting for a room while they got the ‘private’ room. It should have been the other way around.
 
It sure is.

I’m still upset that you ended up in a hall in a chair for 7 hours waiting for a room while they got the ‘private’ room. It should have been the other way around.
It should have been.. and it wasn't.. and that's exactly what happens here..the majority are terrified of being labelled racist..not only labelled but actually arrested and taken to court.. if they speak up about an injustice caused by someone of another race or creed... it's brought the country to it's knees by and large
 
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It sure is.

I’m still upset that you ended up in a hall in a chair for 7 hours waiting for a room while they got the ‘private’ room. It should have been the other way around.
Update from one of the 8th floor nurses at that "un-named Toronto hospital " by phone today to me . The Princess and her VIP Husband have moved to the Four Seasons Hotel, into a 5 room suite, with their own paid Hindu nurses and a Doctor from India, who they flew into Toronto on their private jet aircraft. Good riddance to them. I am still sick, but at home. JimB.
 
As an R.N., and working in the medical field since 1968, you don't have to be a "furener" to be weird. I had one Irish -American wife, who kept sprinkling the roommate with "holy water". She dragged in 6 foot statues of saints, and an 8 foot crucifix. She had "devotive candles' burning. When a priest came to say the rosary, she lit incense. And she also had a cot by his bed. But when she wasn't sleeping, she was loudly praying. Her husband died. When the undertaker came to get the body, he was told he had to pick up his "belongings", he was not happy. It took him two pickup truck loads to take every statue and religious item.
They are out there!
Wow! This could be made into some sort of movie or a short story called, "Stories from Weirdville!"
 
Some of you know me as "Jimintoronto. A 76 year old Canadian man, who was born in Toronto. I have a serious medical condition, that involves low red blood cells ( Hemoglobin ). Since the start of 2023, I have spent a total of 14 weeks in 4 of the largest Toronto hospitals, where the Docs were trying to find the source of my blood leaks. I have had numerous colonoscopies, endoscopies, even had the "Flying Eye Ball Camera test " where a live camera ( the size of a large vitamin pill ) was swallowed and it slowly moved through my entire digestive tract, for 11 hours, taking full color photos every 3 seconds, which were transmitted to a exterior computer receiver that I was wearing around my stomach. NO signs of blood were ever found, in all of these tests. The Docs are puzzled, for sure.

So what has this got to do with "Canadian Culture Clashes " ?

Let me set the scene for you. Last Sunday July the second, my blood Hemoglobin ( red blood cells ) were so low that I fainted at home in the bathroom. Toronto Paramedics transported me to a very large Toronto Hospital, where I have been a in patient before. I was admitted through Emergency, and got 2 units of A Positive blood, with in a hour. The next morning I was moved to a 2 bed room on the 8th floor, medical internal unit.

NOW the drama begins. The room has 2 beds, divided by curtains, and 2 windows looking east across the Toronto skyline. When I arrived in the room, I was the only patient, at 9 AM. At 11 AM, a porter team brought in a large Indian man, and his very petite wife. As soon as the Wife saw the rom, she started giving the hospital porters and the floor nurses orders. The room was ( in her words ) too small, and the other person ( me ) must be moved. immediately !!!!!! I was in the bed beside the window, and the Wife started trying to push my bed into the hall.

The floor Nursing Supervisor showed up then. The NS was a very large , very black six foot tall woman from Nigeria. She told the Wife that beds were NOT to be moved, period. At that point the Indian Wife gave the NS the following information which I heard. The Husband is a VERY Important Man, who owns a very large Indian computer corporation back home. He MUST have a Private Room. The NS said....this hospital does not HAVE any private rooms. The Wife then said that SHE was going to hire a number of Nurses of the Hindu religion, and fly them from India to Canada , to take care of her Husband. The NS said...Not going to happen here. Our Registered Nurses are very capable to taking care of your Husband.

The next part of the drama, took place at around 5 PM that day, when 3 Indian women came in to the room, and brought in a large number of food containers made of tin. I was in my bed, about 12 feet from the other bed, and I was about to eat my hospital meal. The women opened the containers, and my stomach began to roll. The food was horribly smelly, and I was just able to stagger to the bathroom, and vomit into the toilet. I was able to quickly snatch my upper false teeth out of my mouth, before I threw up. I went back to my bed, slowly. I couldn't see what they were doing, because of the curtains, but I could smell SMOKE. Right, SMOKE. They were burning incense sticks, in THE ROOM. The smoke alarm started blaring, and nurses and other staff came running into the room, with fire extinguishers in their hands. Nursing Supervisor was livid, to say the least.

It turned out that a part of the horrible smell was some kind of "Home Remedy " ointment, that they had rubbed all over his body, as a way to "cure him". It smelled like sewer gas.

The Wife returned an hour later, with a large Hindu man, who was carrying a folding bed. She directed the servant to put the folding bed next to her Husband's bed, saying she would sleep there, to "protect him from the devils ". Pointing at ME, she said this "Man has to be removed from OUR ROOM '. Up until that point, I had been keeping my mouth shut, waiting for the Hospital administration to act. The Chief of Medical Staff arrived, and she pointed out that in Canada, patients are cared for and fed from a standard menu, which the patient can choose from, each day.

The Wife, said she would PAY for special food for her husband. The Chief of Medical Staff pointed out that " In Canada, you can't BUY your way around the rules, no matter how much money you may have ". The Wife went into full "Princess Mode " and stormed down the hall.

I asked the floor Nursing Supervisor, if I could be moved "Anywhere at all, away from this horrible couple ". She said what all good supervisors say....I am working on it ! ........At ONE AM that night, after sitting in the hallway in a chair for 7 hours, I was finally moved to another floor. The Porter who moved me said a surprising thing to me........That Woman is actually asleep IN HIS BED WITH HIM . The Porter had to go into my former room in order to retrieve my clothes and personal belongings for me. By the next morning the entire 3,000 staff had heard about what was being called the "Royal Couple ".

I came home this morning, July the 8th. Because the Docs cannot find the source of my internal bleeding, I will probably be back in a different hospital within 10 days. They have thrown every test and procedure at this problem that they can, all of which have been negative in nature.

My question to the SF group.......How far should North American society go, in terms of "Trying to please the New People "? Remember that in this case the Wife and Husband were in Canada on business, when he got sick and was hospitalized. How far backwards do we have to bend, to avoid hurting their feelings ?

Your comments ? JimB.
I am really sorry for what you are going through, Jim! I hope they will finally find a way to cure whatever causes your disease!

I think the title of your post is a bit misleading, though. This was an isolated incident of an entitled, foreign couple, with the husband getting sick while doing business in Canada! Do you find one of our journalists, Ian Hanomansing a detriment to Canadian culture? Or the present leader of the NDP who is Sikh? I love our cultural mosaic, we hope to show the world that people from every corner of this globe can live harmoniously side by side!

I was in hospital myself recently and had the most wonderful human beings as nurses. All three were from South East Asia, probably the Philippines, they were kind, warm, attentive and it was instant love on my part for those young angels of mercy! May we get many more like them!

And I want to repeat again how sorry I feel that you have to live with such an unresolved medical issue! I am sure it takes a lot of courage on your part just to get out of bed in the morning! I will be praying for you!
 
Living in Canada all the last 77 years, I have to say that I am sorry to say but most Canadians seem to be "gutless" trying to please everyone all the time. Canadians are always yelling about their "human rights" which is rather nice in theory.

The problems in my country are only starting. Many immigrants want to become Canadians but they stick to their old ways of doing things. I know of 1 lady from
 
@Packerjohn wrote: "The problems in my country are only starting. Many immigrants want to become Canadians but they stick to their old ways of doing things.

But John, this has been Canada's official policy for as long as I can remember. It is called Multiculturalism! Don't yearn for the good old days! They had segregation in Nova Scotia until shortly before I arrived, they had Residential Schools where aboriginal children were abused in an effort to make them "whiter!" Our history only looks good to those of white, Anglo-Saxon descent! Compared to the forties and fifties we live in good times. Wages aren't what they were but blame NAFTA for that, not immigrants!
 
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Frustrating when you spend your whole life paying taxes in your home country, then get bumped down the queue at the Hospital by someone who is new and hasn't paid their fair share.

I hear ya, @jimintoronto

Hope you are feeling better.
 
When I was in the Navy hospital many years ago, we were in wards with about 30 beds. Those people would have gone nuts.
 


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