The Incel Movement - worrying rise in hate and violence toward women in UK

senior chef said:
I agree. Nobody is entitled to anything. BUT, people just naturally want the best in life. As youngsters, people begin to develop certain desires. By adulthood, those desires become entrenched.

Yesterday, on the city bus, I saw the cutest 2 yr old, and I wondered how such an angel could end up fouled up like some people?
I truly believe that LIFE happens to them. Not merely one or two events, but a series of traumatic events which warps their minds. Just as a woman does not develop a hated of men because of a single event, men do not develop a hatred of women because of a single event.

So, ask yourselves, what series of events caused some men to become MGTOW or incels ?
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I don't believe there are "series of events". Some people can emerge from the best of homes, have great opportunities and still the wrong path beckons to them.
 

What anyone thinks is normal behavior is talking about the accepted social mores of that behavior. It is a "mean" or "average". With any phenomena including what "maleness" IS, there are going to be extremes. The Incel on an extreme, and a sex maniac on the other ( rapist - porn addict ). Your not going to fix it. It has been going on since time began.
 
senior chef said:
I agree. Nobody is entitled to anything. BUT, people just naturally want the best in life. As youngsters, people begin to develop certain desires. By adulthood, those desires become entrenched.

Yesterday, on the city bus, I saw the cutest 2 yr old, and I wondered how such an angel could end up fouled up like some people?
I truly believe that LIFE happens to them. Not merely one or two events, but a series of traumatic events which warps their minds. Just as a woman does not develop a hated of men because of a single event, men do not develop a hatred of women because of a single event.

So, ask yourselves, what series of events caused some men to become MGTOW or incels ?
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I agree very bad experiences can mess a person up- and possibly even one bad experience, depending on how the person dealt with it.

But re: your first paragraph (when quoting mine), I believe one part of the problem is too many parents still take the double-standards approach (one set of rules and expectations for girls, a different set for boys), and another part is fewer parents these days are actually raising their own children. It starts with socialization, including values.

The youngest children can learn that simply because they want something, that doesn't mean they're entitled to it.
Depending on the circumstances, it should mean 'want' is connected to earning it, paying for it, or asking permission if whatever is wanted belongs to somebody else.
It seems patterns of antisocial behavior can start in childhood when even little kids decide to take or steal.
One thing I read about INCELs is they believe they're 'entitled' to whatever they want from women- regardless of what the women think about it.
So while I agree experiences later on can be relevant, I do believe it starts with lousy parenting- never hold them accountable for their behavior, give them the cookies if they throw temper-tantrums, etc.
 

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