The Israelis Are Doing the World a Big Favor

VaughanJB said:
To truly get a perspective on this you need to read articles that are not aimed at the US market. I love you Americans, but a clear and honest view of Israel and what it's doing is not possible there. IMO.

And please, I'm not aiming this comment at anyone here, and I don't mean to upset the board members. It's simply how I - honestly - feel about it all in a generalized way.

What's next - bomb China because of the drugs they're producing and their threats on Taiwan? Bomb Russia because of its international terrorism? Bomb North Korea because it has enslaved a whole country? Did we learn nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan? I guess not. The US will soon be bombing Iran itself, just as soon as the military has everything in place. So yet another war.
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spot on - hypocrisy abounds!
 
Just a guess but>> .........I would say this is gonna be one of the hardest successful decisions that have ever been made - you can be damned if ya wrong and damned if ya right as my old granny used to say.

I guess one ME choice might be: We don't need nuclear capabilities in this neck of the woods - let's take them out - yeez they are not even Arabic!!

OR well we don't think too much of the Jews either so let Iran take em out?

OR why the hell don't we the gentiles just get out of the ME altogether and let them kick S.........out of each other until a winner emerges?
 
Now if we had a map of the whole area designating clearly the nations/tribes/ ethnic groups involved in all of this it might become clearer? - anyone up for it? Is it all about a land grab? or we just hate each other??
 
smiley said:
Now if we had a map of the whole area designating clearly the nations/tribes/ ethnic groups involved in all of this it might become clearer? - anyone up for it? Is it all about a land grab? or we just hate each other??
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It's all about Islam and their dislike of Jews and Christians. All the countries surrounding Israel are Muslims. They are different sects but all believe in the same Quran and are loosely connected by the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood. Since Israel is nearby it is easy for them to pick on. America not so much. But they've still killed thousands on American soil. Don't recall how many died in 9/11, the Boston marathon and other lone wolf attacks.
 
There are many things that trouble me about this conflict but here are two that are near the top of my list.

It seems to me that Israel and the United States have been discussing their fear of Iran developing a nuclear weapon since the Shah was ousted in the late 70s.

It makes me think that Iran must have a collection of the world’s dumbest nuclear scientists or it is some sort of fear mongering to justify continuing conflict.

The other is that the only two nations that seem overly invested in this are Israel and the United States. Don’t the other nations of the world share these same concerns enough to take some sort of action.

I guess I’m becoming a bit of an isolationist and don’t really believe that these continuing conflicts around the world do more good than harm or solve more problems than they create.
 
I still remember one of those first stories in "the book" - think it was about the two sons of Adam and Eve - could be wrong but just quoting from memory - didn't one kill the other in the fields?? - and thus was set the pattern. Remember Yauweh was quoted as saying " I give you all freewill" - he must have know what was gonna happen??
 
Aunt Bea said:
There are many things that trouble me about this conflict but here are two that are near the top of my list.

It seems to me that Israel and the United States have been discussing their fear of Iran developing a nuclear weapon since the Shah was ousted in the late 70s.

It makes me think that Iran must have a collection of the world’s dumbest nuclear scientists or it is some sort of fear mongering to justify continuing conflict.

The other is that the only two nations that seem overly invested in this are Israel and the United States. Don’t the other nations of the world share these same concerns enough to take some sort of action.

I guess I’m becoming a bit of an isolationist and don’t really believe that these continuing conflicts around the world do more good than harm or solve more problems than they create.
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There is no will to address the real antagonists in the area, imo. Diplomacy has failed due to agendas.

It's worth remembering there have been many wars and conflicts in the Middle East.

List of modern conflicts in the Middle East - Wikipedia
 
The connection between the Iranian Muslims and Hitler, is an important study if you want to understand what is happening today.

It is important to understand that the first 1.5 millions people killed by Hitler, were Romani, the descendants of those Hindu driven out of southwest India by the Muslims. Hitler killed the Jews later.

Ian Hancocks Romanies and the Holocaust

The Iranian Muslims wanted the Jews in Iran gone. They collaborated with Hitler to help remove the Jews from their mist. The Iranian Muslims have always been the aggressor with no interest in peace. They are ruled by hate for any way of life that differs from their Muslim beliefs.

Reza Shah and Adolf Hitler: Iran’s History with the Third Reich — Howard Blum
 
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Heard a little snippet am on a news item that the economies of Iran have been bled dry for a long time in an effort to develop; build and maintain their nuclear program? - [ABC Oz?]
 
smiley said:
Heard a little snippet am on a news item that the economies of Iran have been bled dry for a long time in an effort to develop; build and maintain their nuclear program? - [ABC Oz?]
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Let me ask you this. If the US were Iran, and did not have nuclear weapons. How do you think they would have reacted to being told they simply are not allowed to develop such weapons? How do you think they would react to perceived enemies who said they would force regime change? How do you think they would react to being bombed?
 
Deya said:
Romanies and the Holocaust
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Thank you for that read. I had heard references to Nazi's targeting Gypsies with propaganda and stirring up discrimination, and even heard suggestions that they may have gone further than that. But we seldom hear more, because the bulk of the documentation is about what happened to the Jews.
 

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