The Kim Potter Trial: should she go to prison?

oldiebutgoody said:
You can make up another hundred excuses but it won't change history.
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It's not an excuse. He brought attention to himself by doing something that people under the influence of drugs or alcohol might do, and that caused the police to take a closer look. It had nothing to do with his race but everything to do with his behavior. Not that having signaling a right turn when in the left lane is a major offense, but it could have been the impetus for the police checking him out.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think Wright should have been allowed to get away with his crimes, just because he was Black? I could see if it was just drug offenses or maybe shoplifting, but he was wanted for some serious crimes.
 

^Wright was entitled to a fair trial like everyone else. Point is moot, however, since he is dead.

As for the minor traffic violation, the city of Minneapolis has had enough of these endlessly stupid police stoppages:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...olice-traffic-stops-minor-violations-n1276839

Had we only had police reform years ago, so many of these problems that exist in our society would have ended a long time ago. Like it or not, it is the police who are and have always been the problem.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Wright was entitled to a fair trial like everyone else. Point is moot, however, since he is dead.
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A fair trial is just what he would have had if he allowed Officer Luckey to cuff him and take him to the police station, but he decided to struggle with the police and try to run away with another cop halfway in the car. It's his own fault he didn't get that trail.
 

After one of these media frenzies ( cant remember which one) .... and if anyone looks at total stops vs incidents you can see this often happens is blown out of proportion
Some brave activists and black community leaders stepped up and went through a police training drill ...............putting themselves in the role of pulling people over or engaging a suspect... All failed the drill ... in a real life situation they would at the very least be seriously injured but most likely dead......

Only one brave pastor spoke up afterwords and said "wow it was eye opening." I did not have enough time to see everything happening".

Look at the amount of police officers killed the last few years ....... some were even shot just sitting in their cars NOT doing anything racist or whatever. How is that justified ...

I have not had a job that I went to that i might not come home ( unless huge accident) from EVERY day......
not forced to make split second decisions all under high adrenaline.... some people are better in a crisis then others.

I for one have seen many people who seemed to chose the wrong profession as they seemed ill suited for what they were doing.
 
Della said:
A fair trial is just what he would have had if he allowed Officer Luckey to cuff him and take him to the police station, but he decided to struggle with the police and try to run away with another cop halfway in the car. It's his own fault he didn't get that trail.
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While I agree that it's his own fault he was killed by the police, it was not his fault that he was born into an unhealthy environment, or that he had a learning disability, or a number of other factors that predetermined his fate. Those are the fault of society.
 
Della said:
A fair trial is just what he would have had if he allowed Officer Luckey to cuff him and take him to the police station, but he decided to struggle with the police and try to run away with another cop halfway in the car. It's his own fault he didn't get that trail.
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Actually, Irwin's question was re the other charges, not this matter. As before, had he been white he would never have been stopped in the first place. As for the other issues, they were still pending but are now moot. Now that Minneapolis has officially ordered all such trivial race based stoppages to end we can all hope this will no longer happen in the future. One can hope but I will not be one to hold my breath waiting for such a day.
 
Gemma said:
Hopefully, this prison is just a place to hold her over until she's sentenced in February.
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I checked, it is the only Female prison in MN, custody level is All security levels. So she stays.The Maximum security level inmates are of course apart from the minimum level inmates. I could not find any info on her cell # or such, however I would imagine she is not in the section/wing with the real bad boys, or should I say, real bad girls.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Actually, Irwin's question was re the other charges, not this matter. As before, had he been white he would never have been stopped in the first place. As for the other issues, they were still pending but are now moot. Now that Minneapolis has officially ordered all such trivial race based stoppages to end we can all hope this will no longer happen in the future. One can hope but I will not be one to hold my breath waiting for such a day.
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Give it a break.....I've seen many police stop people....and they were white....Of course I was stopped 2 times already.....I was
going to fast.....I got a ticket....Big Dale.....My husband got stopped on our street....going into our driveway....the cop got
out and asked hubby if it was our house....hubby told him we
live here 40 years....then he asked my husband's name...
hubby told his name....then he said....OH!!!! you have a son, correct....hubby said yes....He is a school teacher....So the cop
told him to be careful when you put your lights on....to go into
the driveway....My husband said he was in the driveway already..
I live here.....Jeez.....Sometimes you will get the young cops....
stopping for nothing....
 
peppermint said:
Give it a break.....I've seen many police stop people....and they were white....Of course I was stopped 2 times already.....I was
going to fast.....I got a ticket....Big Dale.....My husband got stopped on our street....going into our driveway....the cop got
out and asked hubby if it was our house....hubby told him we
live here 40 years....then he asked my husband's name...
hubby told his name....then he said....OH!!!! you have a son, correct....hubby said yes....He is a school teacher....So the cop
told him to be careful when you put your lights on....to go into
the driveway....My husband said he was in the driveway already..
I live here.....Jeez.....Sometimes you will get the young cops....
stopping for nothing....
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We've discussed enough times that this happens across the board. What you fail to understand is the disproportionate use of such needless stoppages. You also fail to understand that we live in a free country. We are at war overseas (we are told) to preserve our FREEDOMS. Yet, those same freedoms get needlessly restricted by the government in violation of the Constitution. Again recall our earlier discussion of the Equal Protection Clause and the Due Process Clause. Like it or not you must understand that the government needs to apply the law on a uniform, not a selective, basis. That is the law.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
We've discussed enough times that this happens across the
oldiebutgoody said:
We've discussed enough times that this happens across the board. What you fail to understand is the disproportionate use of such needless stoppages. You also fail to understand that we live in a free country. We are at war overseas (we are told) to preserve our FREEDOMS. Yet, those same freedoms get needlessly restricted by the government in violation of the Constitution. Again recall our earlier discussion of the Equal Protection Clause and the Due Process Clause. Like it or not you must understand that the government needs to apply the law on a uniform, not a selective, basis. That is the law.
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board. What you fail to understand is the disproportionate use of such needless stoppages. You also fail to understand that we live in a free country. We are at war overseas (we are told) to preserve our FREEDOMS. Yet, those same freedoms get needlessly restricted by the government in violation of the Constitution. Again recall our earlier discussion of the Equal Protection Clause and the Due Process Clause. Like it or not you must understand that the government needs to apply the law on a uniform, not a selective, basis. That is the law.
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And who are you...........................
 
As long as probable cause or reasonable suspicion that an offense has taken place, subjective intentions play no role in ordinary fourth AM analysis, meaning if a person of color is stopped solely due their color, as long as the above is verified, the Federal remedy is a complaint under the Equal Protection Clause, not the Fourth AM.
 
ohioboy said:
As long as probable cause or reasonable suspicion that an offense has taken place, subjective intentions play no role in ordinary fourth AM analysis, meaning if a person of color is stopped solely due their color, as long as the above is verified, the Federal remedy is a complaint under the Equal Protection Clause, not the Fourth AM.
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I don't need you, ohio boy....By the way I have lived there for many years......
 

Wright family, activists see injustice in Potter's sentence​


https://www.yahoo.com/news/wright-family-activists-see-injustice-174748094.html

Associated Press

Wright family, activists see injustice in Potter's sentence​

Sat, February 19, 2022, 9:47 AM
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The issue of race was barely brought up during the trial of Kim Potter, a former suburban Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of manslaughter for killing Daunte Wright after she said she confused her handgun for her Taser.
But Wright’s family members and many activists say the killing of the 20-year-old Black motorist has always been about race, from the moment officers decided to pull him over, to the moment a judge gave Potter a two-year sentence, which family members decried as giving more consideration to the white defendant than the Black victim.
“What we see today is the legal system in America in Black and white,” Ben Crump, an attorney for Wright’s family, said after Friday’s sentencing.
Wright was killed on April 11 after Brooklyn Center officers pulled him over for having expired license tags and an air freshener hanging from his rearview mirror, violations that civil rights activists say are used as a pretext to stop Black motorists.
Officers discovered Wright had a warrant for a weapons possession charge and they tried to arrest him but he pulled away. Video shows Potter, who is white, shouted several times that she would use her Taser on Wright, but she had her gun in her hand and fired once into his chest.

Two years not what the court of social media expected at all....
 
Pepper said:
The judge was an emotional wreck & had total disregard for the family. I'm not condemning her sentencing, I'm condemning her professionalism, which I find sorely lacking.
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No question about it - the judge was totally lacking in professionalism. She is supposed to be fair and objective, not selective or favoring of anyone. Clearly she showed far more concern for the cop than for the victimized family. The judge should be recalled for her lack of impartiality and professionalism.

A two year sentence? Officer Mohammed Noor killed a white woman in what was clearly an accident (it was dark and he did not see that a light of some kind was not a weapon) and shot because he had fear of danger. For that he got 12.5 years in prison in a place known for harboring white supremacists who would gladly kill him if they had the chance. In this case Potter was negligent. Completely negligent. All those crocodile tears are clearly fabricated in order to create sympathy. Those, too, are not the actions of a trained professional. And she had a history of shutting off the cameras in order to keep it from recording her actions. Two years in jail (a country club prison) for her crime is an injustice to the Wright family and to society.
 

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