The Measure of a Man

At the risk of being accused of trying to make this thread about the poet Kipling accused of racism for views expressed over one hundred years ago, when most people probably were, here is another poem, "Gunga Din", or the last verse or so, written in a weird way, to be spoken in a strange dialect most may struggle to understand, but you may get the gist:

"For Gawd’s sake git the water, Gunga Din!’

’E carried me away
To where a dooli lay,
An’ a bullet come an’ drilled the beggar clean.
’E put me safe inside,
An’ just before ’e died,
'I ’ope you liked your drink,’ sez Gunga Din.
So I’ll meet ’im later on
At the place where ’e is gone—
Where it’s always double drill and no canteen.
’E’ll be squattin’ on the coals
Givin’ drink to poor damned souls,
An’ I’ll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
Yes, Din! Din! Din!
You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
Though I’ve belted you and flayed you,
By the livin’ Gawd that made you,
You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!"
 
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squatting dog said:
speaking of manly men. (y)

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And to think he's not getting a shave
The guy is just sharpening his axe
 
RadishRose said:
Most of this thread is a mystery to me. I'll re-read later.
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Most of this thread is (I'll refrain from profanity) and I won't bother re-reading it.

Why pussyfoot around the subject. The post and majority of replies end up saying, " I spit on the flag" or "I spit on people of color and/or minorities". Evidently we can't have it both ways.

The better choices would be to come right out and say it or don't touch the subject. All of the playing with words means little to anyone of average intelligence. What or who a person admires is quite plain in the OP and replies.
 
DaveA said:
Most of this thread is (I'll refrain from profanity) and I won't bother re-reading it. Why pussyfoot around the subject. The post and majority of replies end up saying, " I spit on the flag" or "I spit on people of color and/or minorities". Evidently we can't have it both ways. The better choices would be to come right out and say it or don't touch the subject. All of the playing with words means little to anyone of average intelligence. What or who a person admires is quite plain in the OP and replies.
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Its the responses to the OP you're objecting to not the OP, (is that correct?)? Here is the OP again, so people unfamiliar with it can judge, quote:
"To stand alone in the face of adversity, to hold to your stance and your mettle, discover your true worth, to risk the loss of your position, your material accumulations, all you've built and acquired, for your principles and convictions ,your innate sense of right and wrong, your values, your ethics, the stuff of your soul; this is your measure.

Are you to kneel to mobs of anarchic so as not to be considered "racist"? Label me what you will, for names don't hurt. The mob cries out, "Show us you're ashamed to be white. Kneel in submission. Spit on your flag. Turn your backs on your symbol of America. Humble before us."

Stand tall and be shown as a man among men. Bow and yield to no man, no mob, no institution, no ideology. Don't give your dignity, your self=esteem, your individuality, your self-worth. Revere in the strengths of your ethics, your values , your resolve, your thoughts and mind, your integrity, and the qualities of your soul.

If it comes to your body being slain for your beliefs, let it be,for you will live through eternity. Should you find yourself one against a thousand, lift your head high and walk into the storm like you own it. Don't cower in fear but be your own man. Give no thought to what of yours will be lost, but rather the strength you are gaining in your soul. You are showing the world, yourself and your maker exactly what qualities you possess as a man."
 
grahamg said:
Its the responses to the OP you're objecting to not the OP, (is that correct?)? Here is the OP again, so people unfamiliar with it can judge, quote:
"To stand alone in the face of adversity, to hold to your stance and your mettle, discover your true worth, to risk the loss of your position, your material accumulations, all you've built and acquired, for your principles and convictions ,your innate sense of right and wrong, your values, your ethics, the stuff of your soul; this is your measure.

Are you to kneel to mobs of anarchic so as not to be considered "racist"? Label me what you will, for names don't hurt. The mob cries out, "Show us you're ashamed to be white. Kneel in submission. Spit on your flag. Turn your backs on your symbol of America. Humble before us."

Stand tall and be shown as a man among men. Bow and yield to no man, no mob, no institution, no ideology. Don't give your dignity, your self=esteem, your individuality, your self-worth. Revere in the strengths of your ethics, your values , your resolve, your thoughts and mind, your integrity, and the qualities of your soul.

If it comes to your body being slain for your beliefs, let it be,for you will live through eternity. Should you find yourself one against a thousand, lift your head high and walk into the storm like you own it. Don't cower in fear but be your own man. Give no thought to what of yours will be lost, but rather the strength you are gaining in your soul. You are showing the world, yourself and your maker exactly what qualities you possess as a man."
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NO. It's the OP AND replies.
 
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