The most controversial thread ever posted in this Forum!

These are just my opinions @Old Salt . Well, kind of. :) Maybe just food for thought?:
Old Salt said:
As I have confessed before, slightly embarrassed (because real men don't read romances,)
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It depends on one's definition of a real man. Ask ten different women what a real man is and you might get ten different answers? Which is fine by me. In fact, ask ten different people what they think of me, and I will get ten different answers. Which is also fine by me.

Old Salt said:
my attraction to the genre, I have always found it strange that the women in these books seem to instantly fall for these 6'2, chiselled chin, six-packed males! Leading to the inevitable (am I allowed to say this) one-night-stand!
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Could you be suggesting that the author of these kinds of books thinks most women go for what some might perceive as the top 10% of men. I used to be 6' 1", so maybe I'm not there yet? I should try and find some platform shoes. High heels arn't really my thing. Tried them a few times, but I was a young boy at the time.

Old Salt said:
Are women now equal to men when it comes to this indiscriminate coupling?
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Maybe statistic’s need to be looked at?

Old Salt said:
Are these books being realistic?
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LOL... Not trying to be rude, but I really did laugh. Just saying. :)

Old Salt said:
Have things changed that much in the past sixty years, or are they just wishful thinking on the part of the author and her readers?
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Maybe the authors 'understand' their particular readership? Monetary gain can be quite a motivator when it comes to writing books. I suppose we would have to ask the authors. Would we expect an honest answer though? Honesty doesn’t often seem to be a thing, in many subjects?

Old Salt said:
I cannot think myself into women's minds, so I really have no idea!
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Me neither, but when I invite them into my mind first, it’s surprising how quickly many women then invite me into theirs. In my experience at least, it can be quite an eye opener.

Old Salt said:
Generalized observations only, please, since I don't want anyone to give away intimate secrets!
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Heaven forbid! :)
 
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Magna-Carta said:
These are just my opinions @Old Salt . Well, kind of. :) Maybe just food for thought?:

It depends on one's definition of a real man. Ask ten different women what a real man is and you might get ten different answers? Which is fine by me. In fact, ask ten different people what they think of me, and I will get ten different answers. Which is also fine by me.


Could you be suggesting that the author of these kinds of books thinks most women go for what some might perceive as the top 10% of men. I used to be 6' 1", so maybe I'm not there yet? I should try and find some platform shoes. High heels arn't really my thing. Tried them a few times, but I was a young boy at the time.


Maybe statistic’s need to be looked at?


LOL... Not trying to be rude, but I really did laugh. Just saying. :)


Maybe the authors 'understand' their particular readership? Monetary gain can be quite a motivator when it comes to writing books. I suppose we would have to ask the authors. Would we expect an honest answer though? Honesty doesn’t often seem to be a thing, in many subjects?


Me neither, but when I invite them into my mind first, it’s surprising how quickly many women then invite me into theirs. In my experience at least, it can be quite an eye opener.


Heaven forbid! :)
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Thanks for the good laugh I needed @Magna-Carta!
 
@Magna-Carta I was wildly generalizing when I wrote that post! I do know the difference between reality and fiction. That's why I like romances so much. They take me away from reality for a couple of hours! Sometimes I like to provoke a response. I love to exchange ideas rather than stick to the mundane! But the question behind it was serious! Has the attitude of women, when it comes to casual sex, changed over the years? I certainly wouldn't know. Last time I dated was in 1960! :)
 
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@Magna-Carta I was wildly generalizing when I wrote that post! I do know the difference between reality and fiction. That's why I like romances so much. They take me away from reality for a couple of hours! Sometimes I like to provoke a response. I love to exchange ideas rather than stick to the mundane! But the question behind it was serious! Has the attitude of women, when it comes to casual sex, changed over the years? I certainly wouldn't know. Last time I dated was in 1960! :)
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I don't know. Maybe in 'reality' it’s pretty much stayed the same. I don’t think the Victorians were as prudish as we think they were. But I don’t see how we can single out one sex over the other. Someone correct me if they think I'm wrong, but as far as I’m aware this type of thing is a joint venture. :)

The thing with this type of thing is that it generally takes two. Interesting then that I sometimes hear that men go in for casual sex more than women. So I then wonder, how the hell does that work! Is there some kind of sub-culture that I’m not aware of. And then I think, should I put more thought into it. Then I think, where is all this going to take me. Maybe I don't want to go along. :)

Apparently, according to the “Psychology Today” website, “On some surveys, men report four times as many sexual partners as women. Clearly this is madness, as in heterosexual relationships,” The website also goes on to say, “Men, for example, tend to upwardly exaggerate their numbers whereas women will downplay them.” When I read that I thought, yes, dead right they do. From my 'enlightening' conversations I'v had that is.
 
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Magna-Carta said:
I don't know. Maybe in 'reality' it’s pretty much stayed the same. I don’t think the Victorians were as prudish as we think they were. But I don’t see how we can single out one sex over the other. Someone correct me if they think I'm wrong, but as far as I’m aware this type of thing is a joint venture. :)

The thing with this type of thing, as far as I’m aware, It that it generally takes two. Interesting then that I sometimes hear that men go in for casual sex more than women. So I then wonder, how the hell does that work! Is there some kind of sub-culture that I’m not aware of. And then I think, should I put more thought into it. Then I think, where is all this going to take me. Maybe I don't want to go along. :)

Apparently, according to the “Psychology Today” website, “On some surveys, men report four times as many ****** partners as women. Clearly this is madness, as in heterosexual relationships,” The website also goes on to say, “Men, for example, tend to upwardly exaggerate their numbers whereas women will downplay them.” When I read that I thought, yes, dead right they do. From my 'enlightening' conversations I'v had in the past that is.
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Thanks, MC, for putting in the time and effort to satisfy my curiosity. I appreciate it! What I see, and what it boils down to, is educated guesses all around. But that's okay, it was time well spent!
 
Old Salt said:
You may find this shocking, coming from me but I have developed a theory that explains most of the turmoil we have seen in this new century.

Like increases to the retirement age and the resulting riots in France, same in most other industrialized countries who have to up the R.A. to 67 from 65 because not enough children are being born to support increasingly longer lived folks like us. Increased divorces and cases of infidelity!

But a remark in another thread illuminated me! I haven't figured out yet how inflation plays a part in all this but will manage to tie it in to the subject somehow down the road.

Here's my theory: It all has to do with the demise of sexy lingerie! Yes, thank you for bringing up Victoria's Secret in THAT thread, poster whose name I forgot because I'm old! At one time men found women in lingerie greatly stimulating and even women sported it, not for men but because they felt beautiful wearing something silky and alluring.

Then came tights and cotton and "comfortable," and bedwear that now consisted of loose cotton pants and a t-shirt! Okay, draw your own conclusions, I don't dare to be too frank in this forum, we seniors can be fragile. But think about it! Childbirths down dramatically? That alone should earn a big "Duh" when it comes to the why of all this turmoil!!! Q.E.D.
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I like your theory.
 
Lavinia said:
Passion-killers will be the order of the day until men learn to value women as people in their own right. Is a man excited by the frilly undies or the woman wearing them? Is he turned on by the thought that she is wearing them to please him? Why do men like stockings and suspenders and garters?
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To the last question: It's a cultural thing in combination with "classical conditioning". Do you remember "Pavlov's dog"? The men are conditioned at this kind of stuff from early childhood. What notices an infant crawling on the floor aside of his mother's legs? Stockings. Although Freud's theory of the Oedipus complex is widely controversial, I think that at least some of it is true. Look here: Oedipus complex - Wikipedia

The cultural part is that stockings and suspenders are only a turn-on in Western societies. The Samoans, the men of Papua New Guinea or the Australian Aboriginees for example would laugh on this. Every culture had sexual stimuli such as the Chinese footbinding or the corsets in the Western hemisphere. Stockings, suspenders and garters are parts of them and still in use.

I think that a woman who doesn't like stockings and suspenders and only wears them to please her lover will not be successful, since she is self-conscious or even embarrassed.
 
What makes you think women aren't wearing sexy nightwear anymore? Have you been in all their bedrooms? :giggle:

I won't say who but I know women who's husbands order sexy clothing and nightwear online for their spouses to wear around the house, in the bedroom, for their own pleasure.

They are in their 40's and 50's and both the men and the women take good care of themselves. They are still very happily married...and having a lot of fun. I have no doubt their marriages will last forever.
 
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Old Salt said:
You may find this shocking, coming from me but I have developed a theory that explains most of the turmoil we have seen in this new century.

Like increases to the retirement age and the resulting riots in France, same in most other industrialized countries who have to up the R.A. to 67 from 65 because not enough children are being born to support increasingly longer lived folks like us. Increased divorces and cases of infidelity!

But a remark in another thread illuminated me! I haven't figured out yet how inflation plays a part in all this but will manage to tie it in to the subject somehow down the road.

Here's my theory: It all has to do with the demise of sexy lingerie! Yes, thank you for bringing up Victoria's Secret in THAT thread, poster whose name I forgot because I'm old! At one time men found women in lingerie greatly stimulating and even women sported it, not for men but because they felt beautiful wearing something silky and alluring.

Then came tights and cotton and "comfortable," and bedwear that now consisted of loose cotton pants and a t-shirt! Okay, draw your own conclusions, I don't dare to be too frank in this forum, we seniors can be fragile. But think about it! Childbirths down dramatically? That alone should earn a big "Duh" when it comes to the why of all this turmoil!!! Q.E.D.
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Controversial, seriously? Getting hot under the collar over a type of underwear! The reason that less children are being born is because our generation and subsequent generations, have the means to choose how big a family they want. Whereas our parents generation and previous to them had no access to the pill or vasectomy. All they had were condoms that were so poor they could easily have been made from an old inner tube.

You don't have to work longer if you put into a pension plan from a young age, it's as much about financial planning as it is about family planning. Sorry if that pours cold water over sexy lingerie.
 
horseless carriage said:
Controversial, seriously? Getting hot under the collar over a type of underwear! The reason that less children are being born is because our generation and subsequent generations, have the means to choose how big a family they want. Whereas our parents generation and previous to them had no access to the pill or vasectomy. All they had were condoms that were so poor they could easily have been made from an old inner tube.
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I think a bigger factor is that in earlier more agrarian times children were an asset. In the urbanized world they are a financial burden, so there is a strong incentive to have fewer.

Throw in feminism and the numbers born shrank again.

Add in the culture of selfishness today and few will bother having even one in the megapolitan regions unless they are immigrants still retaining a vestige of their former values.
 
Old Salt said:
You may find this shocking, coming from me but I have developed a theory that explains most of the turmoil we have seen in this new century.

Like increases to the retirement age and the resulting riots in France, same in most other industrialized countries who have to up the R.A. to 67 from 65 because not enough children are being born to support increasingly longer lived folks like us. Increased divorces and cases of infidelity!

But a remark in another thread illuminated me! I haven't figured out yet how inflation plays a part in all this but will manage to tie it in to the subject somehow down the road.

Here's my theory: It all has to do with the demise of sexy lingerie! Yes, thank you for bringing up Victoria's Secret in THAT thread, poster whose name I forgot because I'm old! At one time men found women in lingerie greatly stimulating and even women sported it, not for men but because they felt beautiful wearing something silky and alluring.

Then came tights and cotton and "comfortable," and bedwear that now consisted of loose cotton pants and a t-shirt! Okay, draw your own conclusions, I don't dare to be too frank in this forum, we seniors can be fragile. But think about it! Childbirths down dramatically? That alone should earn a big "Duh" when it comes to the why of all this turmoil!!! Q.E.D.
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I enjoyed your post/reply. We think alike.
 
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