The Myth of Osteoporosis, Creating a "Disease" to Sell More Prescription Drugs

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The alternatives are many there are many spices and herbs that have anti inflammatory capabilities black pepper, basil, cardamom, cayenne, chamomile, chives, cilantro, cinnamon, cloves, garlic, ginger, parsley, nutmeg, rosemary, and turmeric.
There are many essential oils that also are anti inflammatory
Thyme, rose, clove, eucalyptus, bergamot, and fennel.
Mineral baths and there is nothing like an Epsom salts bath to relieve aching muscles.
There is also PEMF [pulsed electromagnetic field] this is a surprising simple unit that puts out a magnetic field of a split second when that goes through the body changes happen it increases blood flow and breaks up clustered blood cells also in the blood it causes a micro current which is strong enough to kill pathogens but not healthy cells. I have seen personally pain disappear in minuets every migraines and arthritis.
 

I believe I am carrying a pacemaker around because of a drug called Seldane I took for about 2 years to remedy allergies. I couldn't prove it, I waited too long after the fact. I didn't even know Seldane had been taken off the shelves/banned, whatever, after I had already stopped taking it.

Nwlady, that's terrible that you have a pacemaker, and suspect it was from using Seldane. That was taken off the shelves in '97 for causing heart arrhythmias. :(

You and I are very much on the same page. I wanted to tell you about apple cider vinegar, but I am betting you know about it's help with colds/sinus infections? It worked miracles on me, and only a tablespoon in water.
I so wish health insurance covered chiropractors, and I can't think of the name of doctors that prescribe natural herbs or nutrients. I know we are up against it in that respect as well though, getting healthy things from gardens, just read a post on soil lately. We can't win for losing seems like. Denise

I've used Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar in the past, and believe in its health benefits also...http://www.naturalnews.com/039501_apple_cider_vinegar_therapeutic_uses_ACV.html . It would be great if health insurance covered Naturopaths, Holistic Doctors and supplements...I don't think they want us that healthy though. :p
 
Yes, we are forced to go to doctors that "are not" of our own choice, well, some insurances are like that, mine is. So much wrong in the world, gets overwhelming, and sad:(
 

I'm still taking the Vitamin K2, 120mcg daily, Nature's Plus Source of Life brand. Also have increase my vitamin D3 to 5,000IUs daily, Country Life brand, since I understand it's beneficial for avoiding Macular Degeneration also. As I always say, if you want to start taking any supplements, research side effects and drug interactions, especially if you're on prescription drugs for a health condition. Full article here. http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/are-you-familiar-with-the-health-benefits-of-vitamin-k/


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Hi all this wonderful posts here and I agree with you New lady that drugs do cause problems thats why my Neuropathy is upon me because of the diuretic drug taken for over 15 yrs .. I`ll be sure to give that apple cider vinegar a go will get a bottle this week .. thanks for the advice of many , will read up and work out things to give a go . will have a further browse of this forum now ... couldnt get in earlier because I spelt the work wrong it wouldn`t accept it .. lol .. :)
 
What is so sad is the fact that women who have taken these done density medications are left with the side effects and can't do anything about it. I ran into a old friend of mine from our teen years this past Saturday night. I noticed her teeth were broken and some missing but I didn't say anything. I didn't have to. She told me that she had been trying to find a dentist to fix her some teeth and they won't do it. She said she had taken the medication for bone density and her teeth just crumbled and fell out. Now, dentist are telling her that if she had the rest of her teeth pulled, she will loose her jawbone. Her teeth were so pretty when we were teenagers. This is so tragic that the patients are the ones having to suffer! This makes me so glad I refused to take this mess several years ago. My doctor had asked me why I didn't want to take it and I told him, "I don't like the side effects listed that people are having" and I wasn't going to take it and I didn't!!!
 
I was diagnosed with severe osteoporosis after an xray of the spine wouldn't show the upper back because of it's exaggerated tilt forward. An MIR showed extensive breakdown of the vertebrae where my back bends forward and I have pain. No matter, I wasn't given any meds only advice to "be careful". My dad had the same and his grandmother had a large hump. I got the idea they didn't really believe anything could reverse it and no one suggested a follow-up. So.. I'm of the impression they don't know much about it and are very wrong on some so-called facts like exercise prevents it bc I did high level labor-intensive exercise on my job for 30 yrs. Mine is hereditary and it's just the way it is.
 
The past two Sundays (I think) here on HPR (Hawaii Public Radio) they've had episodes of Freakonomics Radio that dealt with some of the issues within the drug/medical industry. The bottom line is "follow the money".

One of the scary bits of information: The longer your doctor has been in practice the more likely that your treatment will have a bad outcome. And in the U.S., medical error is the third leading cause of death. (Cancer and Heart disease are the first two.)
 
Thinking of Osteoporosis As Scurvy

Interesting article that suggests taking vitamin C for osteoporosis as opposed to calcium as many doctors recommend. I still don't take calcium supplements except for the tiny amount found in my daily multi vitamin, I get enough from foods. I do take 1,000 mg of vitamin C on most days though, and still keeping up with the k2 and D3 for bones. Also doing more of the weight bearing exercise for bone strength. Read the full article here.

There’s an epidemic of osteoporosis in older women in the U.S. Each year, it leads to 1.5 million dangerous—and even fatal—bone fractures.
But I have always been curious why osteoporosis is virtually unknown in East and Southeast Asian women.
That’s why two recent Asian studies caught my eye.

Problems with low bone-mineral density have been surfacing in South Korean women as they become more westernized in their diet and lifestyle. So Korean researchers decided to investigate what’s really going on.

It turns out, by adopting a more Westernized diet—heavy in processed, packaged products and lacking in fresh, whole foods—these women are becoming increasingly deficient in a nutrient that is essential for strong bones. But it’s not the nutrient you might expect.

These researchers discovered a significant increase in instances of vitamin C deficiency among women with low bone-mineral density.
What they found would not have been surprising to past generations of British sailors and doctors. In fact, British navy surgeon James Lind essentially discovered way back in the 1700s that weak bones are a result of scurvy.

And he also learned that scurvy could be prevented and treated by giving sailors limes and citrus fruits, which are high in vitamin C (thus earning the nickname “limeys” for British sailors, who suddenly had a big advantage over their enemies).

But by the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century, Dr. Lind’s bone-health discovery was all but forgotten—at least in the U.S. Now, the mainstream approach to preventing osteoporosis is to push calcium supplements (which are dangerous—more about that later) and bisphosphonate drugs (which are even more dangerous). In fact, as I reported in the January 2015 issue of Insiders’ Cures, research shows that popular bisphosphonate osteoporosis drugs like Fosamax, Boniva, and Actonel can actually cause bones to break spontaneously.

No one’s discounting that calcium is important for strong bones (along with vitamin D and magnesium). But the Asian researchers discovered that vitamin C is equally as important as calcium for bone health…and may be even more key when it comes to osteoporosis.

I’ll delve into the details of these studies in a moment, but first, let’s examine what I like to call the “Calcium Conundrum” for osteoporosis.

Of course, these studies would not be so captivating if we hadn’t forgotten the vitamin C-bone connection unearthed many years ago by Dr. James Lind. Which raises the question: Why did 18[SUP]th[/SUP] century British sailors get better care for their bones than 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century American women are getting today?

Because mainstream medicine currently refuses to recognize that osteoporosis is scurvy of the bones—and not calcium deficiency. And that means that unfortunately for American women, the mainstream osteoporosis medical treatments remain “lost at sea.”

Don’t be left to drown by your doctor. Help strengthen your bones and prevent osteoporosis with the following checklist:

  • Eat a healthy, balanced diet that includes calcium-rich dairy, meat, and seafood, along with plenty of fruit, cruciferous vegetables, and leafy greens—which are all rich in vitamin C.
  • Take 250 mg of vitamin C twice daily with meals.
  • Take 10,000 IU of vitamin D daily, especially during this time of year, when it’s difficult for most people to get enough sun to make adequate amounts of D in their bodies.
  • Take 200-400 mg a day of magnesium, which is also important for strong bones. Look for formulations that contain bone-healthy boron as well.
  • And finally, avoid calcium supplements.

I can’t say this often enough. Calcium supplements can create high levels of calcium in your blood, which can settle in the blood vessels, the heart valves, and even the heart muscle. And that can lead to heart disease.

If you get enough vitamins C and D, your body will send the calcium you ingest from food to your bones. And that will improve your bone health and lower your risk of osteoporosis—without dangerous drugs or calcium supplements.
 
I also had a bone density test probably 20 yrs ago and it stated osteopena and I never did much about it, but started taking calcium which I found as I research more, a no no...I found a great little book the magnesium to calcium ratio and read that book, highlighted etc, lent it to people and now take no calcium caps/tabs, take close to 2000mg magnesium daily and 2K Vit C, 5-10K D3 and never another bone density test. I'm 80 and I believe my bones are strong, my big issue is osteoarthritis and believe from a long life of too much sugar/carbs and lots of dancing and exercise and then a kinda failed hip replacement in 2010....and then the genetics factor...mom and her sisters all lived with OA.

I was seeing a rheumy after hip replacement for issues from the surgery, complications, and she was urging me to take calcium and I almost got into a fight with her as I'm saying no, it's magnesium that we need.

I get calcium from my veggies and no dairy here to speak of. Some coconut milk yogurt.

The only 2 mammograms I had in my early 50's showed calcifications and that too was when I realized no calcium supps. The fear of those mamms and the false positives women go thru, have to go back to do another mamm....not this gal...I had 2 and no more.
 
Thanks for all that info J....gonna stop taking my calcium too and up the D3 and Mag since I have Osteopena and calcification spots in my breast exams....
 
Especially when it comes to seniors too many in the medical industry write the patient off in that they won't try treatment a younger person might receive. Sometimes a multi prong approach including exercise and nutrition might help. There isn't necessarily on fix/answer to many conditions. I know many who started exercise in their 70s and 80s and survived several falls without bone damage or if they did their recovery was excellent. Most were on the light/skinny side which helped as well.

Point being seniors, especially those 80 and above are written off or put the medical industry in a tizzy because it's new territory for many docs and they have to come up with a solution/make decisions on their own, not off text book protocol frequently authored by big pharma.
 
Exercise is the best treatment for bone. And of course nutrition. IMO.

For those who can't exercise much even a couple of hand weights is helpful.

Dr.s have been pushing drugs at me for decades now. I don't take any at the moment sine the BP drug recall.
My dr told me to take Lisipril'spell' and Statins for my lifetime of high blood lipids and a few others. I never put one in my mouth.
I told my dr when she got mad I wasn't asking meds, that when my friends stop having heart attacks and surgeries that take the stuff then I'll consider it.
I've haven't taken a statin or any other pills except HTZ water pills.
But I do work around the house and garden,lots of digging, bending and for fun,dancing.
 
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I also had a bone density test probably 20 yrs ago and it stated osteopena and I never did much about it, but started taking calcium which I found as I research more, a no no...I found a great little book the magnesium to calcium ratio and read that book, highlighted etc, lent it to people and now take no calcium caps/tabs, take close to 2000mg magnesium daily and 2K Vit C, 5-10K D3 and never another bone density test. I'm 80 and I believe my bones are strong, my big issue is osteoarthritis and believe from a long life of too much sugar/carbs and lots of dancing and exercise and then a kinda failed hip replacement in 2010....and then the genetics factor...mom and her sisters all lived with OA.

I was seeing a rheumy after hip replacement for issues from the surgery, complications, and she was urging me to take calcium and I almost got into a fight with her as I'm saying no, it's magnesium that we need.

I get calcium from my veggies and no dairy here to speak of. Some coconut milk yogurt.

The only 2 mammograms I had in my early 50's showed calcifications and that too was when I realized no calcium supps. The fear of those mamms and the false positives women go thru, have to go back to do another mamm....not this gal...I had 2 and no more.


So true. They flattened my breast out like a thin pancake, the first one was the last one for me. That was 35 years ago. I had lumps and pain in my breast but they went away in my 50s.
Now to be fair my MIL never met a drug she didn't take, she lived to be 86,but died from drug toxicity in her liver. Of course she may have accidently taken too many. She lived alone at home.
 
So true. They flattened my breast out like a thin pancake, the first one was the last one for me. That was 35 years ago. I had lumps and pain in my breast but they went away in my 50s.
Now to be fair my MIL never met a drug she didn't take, she lived to be 86,but died from drug toxicity in her liver. Of course she may have accidently taken too many. She lived alone at home.

It's amazing all the mammograms, and who know could be they are causing more breast cancers. I found Iosol iodine probably 10 yrs ago and have been taking it since for breast health and all body tissues..do research on this issue.

As I see it the pharma and surgery world are highly paid drug and cut em up pushers.

And yes we do sometimes need to do both but to camp out at doctor's offices, no way from this lady.
 
It's amazing all the mammograms, and who know could be they are causing more breast cancers. I found Iosol iodine probably 10 yrs ago and have been taking it since for breast health and all body tissues..do research on this issue.

As I see it the pharma and surgery world are highly paid drug and cut em up pushers.

And yes we do sometimes need to do both but to camp out at doctor's offices, no way from this lady.


The medical profession is one of the leading causes of death in America today.

Now I goto dr.s but I also have a say in my medical care. And do reserach.
 
I have time to think about a lot today in my life and when you think about it.

The patient signs all kinds of waivers letting doctors off the hook on what they do re: drugs and surgeries and procedures, etc.

And we are left with the bills and the side effects and hopefully good results from surgeries, but this not the case always and that's for sure, 100,000's of deaths annually from drug interactions and surgeries.

I think this thread is about myth of osteoporosis, but another myth I strongly believe is going on is the cholesterol fear myth -- talk about the damaging statins given out like candy.
 


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