The Nation Waits (Grand Jury Decision-Ferguson, Mo.)

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The Ferguson Watch is ongoing and ready to explode upon us. What's that all about? It's about a white police officer shooting an unarmed black kid seven times and a grand jury who has been considering whether or not to indict the white officer for murder or some lesser charge for the killing.


The Ferguson police department is on alert. The county police are standing by, waiting the Grand Jury!s decision. The State Police have been mobilized for this occasion. The governor has called for a state of emergency and has called up the National Guard. One hundred additional FBI agents have been sent to Ferguson. Now the nation waits.


But why? What's the big deal. The St. Louis area which includes Ferguson, the State of Missouri, and the nation are waiting a Grand Jury decision to be released, thinking of course, the Ferguson community which is mostly black, might explode in violence, destroying property, killing, and causing havoc should the Grand Jury vote to not indict the white officer. How will all this come down. We don't know but the nation waits, ready to respond to whatever this decision produces.
 

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President Obama, Eric Holder, and Al Sharpton are all doing their best to incite riots, not only in Ferguson, but around the country.
 

rkunsaw said:
President Obama, Eric Holder, and Al Sharpton are all doing their best to incite riots, not only in Ferguson, but around the country.
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Can you please tell us how Obama is doing his best to incite riots in this matter? I've yet to hear Obama say anything inciteful. What I did hear him say was that people have the constitutional right to peacefully protest, but not to become destructive in any manner while doing so. It seems to me people that have an agenda against the man are the ones trying to be inciteful.

As far as this case, I'm on the fence, from the evidence I've read, and of course I don't have the actual forensic paperwork that the jurors and all involved have to look over to come to conclusions to make intelligent decisions in the matter. Some of what I read seems to support only part of the officer's account as far as what went on in the car, but what happened after is sketchy; I don't know what to think one way or the other. I can't say with a doubt the officer is innocent or guilty, due to the number of shots after the they were out of the car, I just don't know from what evidence they have given.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html

Do I understand the anger, yes, do I agree with the behavior that is going on in the community presently, not really. Even Michael Brown's dad has been calling for calmer heads in the situation, but some people just love to show their arse. They could be doing better things with all that energy if you ask me. Protesting for better community relations and representation within the police force yes, but destroying property and acting like idiots just makes matters worse to a large degree. In this situation, some people are their own worse enemy.
 
I might agree that one or all of these three could encourage riots in the black community, if that were their purpose, but it seems to me to be an established fact that police departments all across the U.S. are committing legal genocide against the black community. Police officers always shoot to kill, otherwise, they could be liable for huge medical costs and law suits for damages. The dead don't file lawsuits, and they don't require hospitalization. It's legal because it doesn't violate departmental policy. I don't know if this policy was developed as a national policy or if it just developed over time due to lack of any punishment to police officers who kill and sometime murder black victims, but it has arisen to the state of genocide in America.
 
Even if the Grand Jury were to indict, that does not mean the officer is guilty of what is contained in that indictment. It only means there was evidence enough to send it to trial. If the indictment does come down, the resulting jury trial will garner just as much demonstrating and angst as we've seen already.

Every American does have the right to peaceful protest. We do NOT have the right to loot, steal, torch, and assault. So, why all the "noise"??

Was the officer justified in shooting the young man? If the young man was attempting to wrest the officer's firearm from him... yes. Was the officer justified in putting seven slugs into the young man? That might be debatable. Once the perp is disabled, there is no reason to continue firing.

Were the citizens of the community justified in looting and stealing from local businesses as a result of the incident? Postively NOT!!

Was the local police force somewhat at fault when they arrived in armored military vehicles with assault rifles pointed at the crowd? IMHO, extremley poor judgement on behalf of the local police and that poor judgement led to some of the demonstrations turning into riots.

Plenty of issues in this case. Lots of outsiders encouraging the citizens to rise up against the police and the justice system. That 'cheerleading' does not assist in the making of good decisions. Media is in the middle of this thing and keeping it top/center in the news cycle. That also doesn't help. The more publicity, the more some of the agitators will be encouraged. Would be nice if cool heads prevailed. I don't know that there are cool heads on either side of this issue.
 
AprilT said:
???, not understanding, who is playing with the race card in what way?
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I take it to mean that any time someone of a different race is in trouble, or gets shot, then it's "obviously" because caucasions hate other races, which is not true.
 
nwlady said:
I take it to mean that any time someone of a different race is in trouble, or gets shot, then it's "obviously" because caucasions hate other races, which is not true.
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I still don't get it, leaving Sharpton out of the equation, Neither of the other men engage until they are forced to address these matter. They can't win, one way or the other. The media pushes them to respond on the subjects. If they say nothing they are accused of not caring. The just can't win. And you can't tell me their color isn't at play in the minds of many folks in this country, it is why particular questions of the matter are addressed to them in the first place just as situations they relay in telling how matters have in some way affected their lives. They are just letting people know that no matter the status, skin color does indeed still affect how some interactions take place in our society, but, if people want to pretend it's not so, so be it. Call it playing the race card or whatever.

Some of us just don't let race become an issue in our day to day life and achievements, but we aren't stupid enough to think we are immune to it's effects. We know most people regardless of skin color are decent human beings, but there are those that have blinders on when it comes to some things and when they see or get a hint of difference in anyway, judgements or hate does come into play. Just the way it is no matter how much we like to believe otherwise.
 
I agree with you, Grumpy, but if I was a black man, I couldn't. I would see in my mind all the injustices heaped upon me and my race and all the the attempts made by white America to keep us in our place, to keep us from voting, from getting an education. I would look at our prisons and see the inequity in sentencing but most of all I would see that black men have a greater than seventy-five percent chance of being shot and killed. And I would know the white man can in his mind and in the policies he puts forth, justify all this and think it is good. Maybe I would think any retaliation I could vent is also okay. Just saying. But I'm a white guy and I don't see things as the black man views them. But I'm curious and I am waiting along with the nation as it waits and my eyes will be attuned to my television.
 
I agree April, I think I misunderstood what the phrase meant. I was thinking about little children, playing together, I mean babies that haven't learned yet (and I wish they never would) about racism. I think our world will just self-implode unless some miracle happens. Some people just enjoy hating too much for it to ever go away:(
 
AprilT said:
Can you please tell us how Obama is doing his best to incite riots in this matter? I've yet to hear Obama say anything inciteful. What I did hear him say was that people have the constitutional right to peacefully protest, but not to become destructive in any manner while doing so. It seems to me people that have an agenda against the man are the ones trying to be inciteful.
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Don't hold your breath waiting for examples, April......IMO, this is the most accurate post on the subject.
 
drifter said:
I agree with you, Grumpy, but if I was a black man, I couldn't. I would see in my mind all the injustices heaped upon me and my race and all the the attempts made by white America to keep us in our place, to keep us from voting, from getting an education. I would look at our prisons and see the inequity in sentencing but most of all I would see that black men have a greater than seventy-five percent chance of being shot and killed. And I would know the white man can in his mind and in the policies he puts forth, justify all this and think it is good. Maybe I would think any retaliation I could vent is also okay. Just saying.
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YES! This is the reason for the anger.
 
You know, there have been injustices to all races, all through time. It's that same ole story, there comes a time when people need to "get over it" and start putting all that "energy" towards making a better world. And thank God there are black men and women that are doing just that, as well as every other race on Earth. But like I said, there are those that will do all they can to keep hate alive.
 
If Al Sharpton is involved, you can Bet that he is doing so in order to get some more money from the State and local businesses, for his "Charities". He has made millions off inciting Blacks to rise up, and is currently under investigation by the IRS for as much as 4 million in back taxes that he hasn't paid. 99% of the local Ferguson people want to see this over and done with....it is the outside agitators, pouring in from all around the country, that will be causing the problems, and they WILL, no matter what the grand jury decides. When all this is said and done, it is the Ferguson people who will suffer the most, as businesses, etc., flee the area...several have already shut their doors.

The St. Louis people are getting ready for the worst, in case these agitators spill out and away from Ferguson and Clayton. Gun stores are selling out as fast as they can get guns and ammo. This thing has all the potential to be as bad as the Watts riot back in the 1960's.

St. Louis is already one of the most racially divided/dangerous cities in the country. You Do Not want to get a flat tire after dark on I-70, anywhere from the Airport to the core downtown area. And East St. Louis, just across the river in Illinois is one of the very Worst Ghettos in the nation....it is so bad that there are police call boxes every 1/4 mile along I-70, so if a person has a breakdown, they can call for help before the thugs get to them.
 
I live right on the border of Sanford, FL, where the Treyvon Martin incident occurred. We had the two media whores, Jesse and Al, down here stirring things up and there was a lot of unrest. I am not looking forward to the verdict, however it turns out. There will be unrest in Sanford again, I guarantee it.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
Even if the Grand Jury were to indict, that does not mean the officer is guilty of what is contained in that indictment. It only means there was evidence enough to send it to trial. If the indictment does come down, the resulting jury trial will garner just as much demonstrating and angst as we've seen already.

Every American does have the right to peaceful protest. We do NOT have the right to loot, steal, torch, and assault. So, why all the "noise"??

Was the officer justified in shooting the young man? If the young man was attempting to wrest the officer's firearm from him... yes. Was the officer justified in putting seven slugs into the young man? That might be debatable. Once the perp is disabled, there is no reason to continue firing.

Were the citizens of the community justified in looting and stealing from local businesses as a result of the incident? Postively NOT!!

Was the local police force somewhat at fault when they arrived in armored military vehicles with assault rifles pointed at the crowd? IMHO, extremley poor judgement on behalf of the local police and that poor judgement led to some of the demonstrations turning into riots.

Plenty of issues in this case. Lots of outsiders encouraging the citizens to rise up against the police and the justice system. That 'cheerleading' does not assist in the making of good decisions. Media is in the middle of this thing and keeping it top/center in the news cycle. That also doesn't help. The more publicity, the more some of the agitators will be encouraged. Would be nice if cool heads prevailed. I don't know that there are cool heads on either side of this issue.
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Well said.
 
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