The pied piper of anti-politics - Russell Brand

Dame Warrigal said:
I'm with you, oakapple, I don't often feel like this but I have a visceral aversion to this man. I've tried to watch him a few times but after a few minutes I have to turn him off. I can't even watch him to study him carefully. Irritating doesn't begin to describe the effect he has on me.
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Ditto DW...he makes my skin crawl, it's not a physical thing, there's something deep within this man which is unsettling...I think his true personality surfaced when he made that very cruel public phone call along with Jonathan Ross to the actor Andrew Sachs from the radio show which they were both hosting...

The vast majority of the British public have never forgiven him..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cel...Jonathan-Ross-prank-call-to-Andrew-Sachs.html


 
merlin said:
I agree it was a stupid prank, and many will never forgive him but it was some 7 years ago and he has changed a lot since then.
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With all due respect Merlin,, in fact I think that he believes he's even more gold plated ...I don't think it was a stupid prank. He was a grown man not under the influence by his own admission of any illegal substances, he abused and insulted an innocent man's grand-daughter for millions of people to hear..he knew exactly what he was doing. ..I truly believe although intelligent in many ways that he's mentally unstable.
 
hollydolly said:
With all due respect Merlin, I, in fact I think that he believes he's even more gold plated ...I don't think it was a stupid prank. He was a grown man not under the influence by his own admission of any illegal substances, he abused and insulted an innocent man's grand-daughter for millions of people to hear..he knew exactly what he was doing. ..I truly believe although intelligent in many ways that he's mentally unstable.
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I agree hollydolly but as I said before I am interested in the message not the man, he is doing a lot for publicising the problems of inequality in our society. I am not interested in liking him or his humour, but imo he does talk sense much of the time.
 
merlin said:
Yes but using his entertainer status to draw attention to a many inequalities in the world, and inviting us to do something about them!
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Seriously? I should follow this man's lead with resolving world problems? As a comedian/entertainer, he has to come up with material that for him is current and resonates with audiences. It is all about entertaining, much like Stern. Even he probably doesn't believe half of the stuff he writes. And if he does; "Oh, Boy!"
 
oldman said:
Seriously? I should follow this man's lead with resolving world problems? As a comedian/entertainer, he has to come up with material that for him is current and resonates with audiences. It is all about entertaining, much like Stern. Even he probably doesn't believe half of the stuff he writes. And if he does; "Oh, Boy!"
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I don't see him as leading anyone or offering solutions, he is simply drawing attention to some of the issues and offering networking to groups who are in a position to possibly bring about change. I don't know Stern so can't comment, need to look him up :confused:
 
oakapple said:
Debby, you obviously like him a lot, but I wish he could 'do his share' quietly.Everything he says ups his profile and publicity is meat and drink to any celebrity.I haven't seen anything about him that I like at all, I find him quite irritating.
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When people do things 'quietly', nothing changes. How many people are quietly going to the Food Bank every week, helping the clients, stocking shelves, etc., and the need for Food Banks continues to grow. That's what doing things 'quietly' accomplishes.
 
hollydolly said:
With all due respect Merlin,, in fact I think that he believes he's even more gold plated ...I don't think it was a stupid prank. He was a grown man not under the influence by his own admission of any illegal substances, he abused and insulted an innocent man's grand-daughter for millions of people to hear..he knew exactly what he was doing. ..I truly believe although intelligent in many ways that he's mentally unstable.
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People often do dumb things when they are using drugs and drinking constantly and Russell Brand has admitted and apologized for that prank several times that I've heard. So when does forgiveness begin?



[Seriously? I should follow this man's lead with resolving world problems? As a comedian/entertainer, he has to come up with material that for him is current and resonates with audiences. It is all about entertaining, much like Stern. Even he probably doesn't believe half of the stuff he writes. And if he does; "Oh, Boy!"]


Have you ever listened to what he says about how broken the system of world politics is or how we need to take care of one another globally or do you just change the channel the minute you see his face? Before dismissing someones ideas, you have to actually know what they are. And when he's talking about those things, it's not a stand up routine or comedy but deadly serious. Our current government systems result in death by starvation, genocide and disease all around the world even while the rich get richer beyond anyones wildest dreams. And the rich getting richer is because governments are setting the stage for them to rake it all in. All of these issues are things he speaks about, the need for change, the need to love one another, the need for peace.....which one of those bothers you?

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Well that's your right to not find his persona appealing. But like Merlin said, it's the message that he shares that is important and if he, a man of means, can influence others in his profession (entertainment) as well as people who might not listen to the serious, oh-so-proper philosopher that you approve of, then there is a place for him. After all, it's not like he's suggesting ways for the rich to get richer and cut the little guy out of the equation even more is he?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Happy to forgive him but I'm not about to adopt him as my personal guru.
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In fact he says just that "I am not a guru, I am a narcissist and have many faults", but as Debby says he talks sense.

Our current government systems result in death by starvation, genocide and disease all around the world even while the rich get richer beyond anyones wildest dreams. And the rich getting richer is because governments are setting the stage for them to rake it all in. All of these issues are things he speaks about, the need for change, the need to love one another, the need for peace.....which one of those bothers you?
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He is simply pointing out another way of living in a more equal and caring society is possible, if we have the will to change. We don't need more or any guru's we need action for change, starting at a personal level.
 
I get that message every Sunday from someone a lot more credible than Russell Brand.
I'm happy to see him following his conscience but he has nothing to teach me that I don't already know.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I get that message every Sunday from someone a lot more credible than Russell Brand.
I'm happy to see him following his conscience but he has nothing to teach me that I don't already know.
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I don't feel he is teaching at all, we have had more than enough teaching, change if we think its necessary, will only come through our own actions
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I get that message every Sunday from someone a lot more credible than Russell Brand.
I'm happy to see him following his conscience but he has nothing to teach me that I don't already know.
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And how many of the sorts of people who would or are listening to Russell Brand are sitting in the pews beside you? My guess is none so he is necessary to reach the ones who wouldn't go to your church. There is a place for every voice providing they are speaking up for compassion, love, sharing, etc.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Perhaps. I remain unconvinced.
Since I haven't heard RB's preaching I really can't judge.
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I feel this is a problem with most dissenters of Russel Brand, they judge without having listened to his talks, mind you this I feel applies to a lot of us in our judgments of other people, we base our views on what the media choose to tell us.
 
Merlin, does he ever talk seriously about these issues ?
My impression is that it is all part of his performances on TV.

I'd appreciate a link that you consider worthy of attention.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Merlin, does he ever talk seriously about these issues ?
My impression is that it is all part of his performances on TV.

I'd appreciate a link that you consider worthy of attention.
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Here is a link to his "Trews" channel on Youtube, http://is.gd/pbsZgz he makes a daily short video about something in the news, they are serious, but remember he is a comedian so that will creep in, and his dress or state of undress upsets some, but his messages are to me clear and all about love and compassion. I would be interested in your opinion.
 
I did find one of these myself.
I can't really see much compassion and love.
It comes across as a rant, without solutions, and heavy on the scorn.

I must admit I didn't watch the whole lot of it.
Clearly, I'm not his target demographic, but then I didn't respond to John Lennon either when he decided that he could lecture the world about peace.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I did find one of these myself.
I can't really see much compassion and love.
It comes across as a rant, without solutions, and heavy on the scorn.

I must admit I didn't watch the whole lot of it.
Clearly, I'm not his target demographic, but then I didn't respond to John Lennon either when he decided that he could lecture the world about peace.
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Yes I agree his demographic is mainly young people, and a lot of it is ranting about politics etc., This is one about belief in god http://is.gd/MlDvCL and compassion
 
merlin said:
Yes I agree his demographic is mainly young people, and a lot of it is ranting about politics etc., This is one about belief in god http://is.gd/MlDvCL and compassion
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That was spectacular Merlin! Loved it and thanks so much for sharing. I think I needed a 'shot of Russell' to shore up my optimism quotient for the day :rolleyes:
 

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