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He hasn't..... it's a Right wing myth to cover up their poison pill legislation.. Like attaching a "Repeal the ACA" clause to other bills.
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He hasn't..... it's a Right wing myth to cover up their poison pill legislation.. Like attaching a "Repeal the ACA" clause to other bills.
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With respect, doesn't it sometimes seem as if certain politicians are auditioning for The Three Stooges? Forget ideologue for a moment, what about professionalism/competence? Would you want these individuals in your home uninvited, never mind running your country?
It has happened on Obama's watch as the Democrats and Republicans can not bargain in faith. Each demand their ideas only and never work for agreement. The shut down forced the Congress to finally back down and allow the Democrat solutions to exist. That then was considered a Obama victory. This is something the Congress has been trying to avoid happening again. Waiting for the end of this spend crazy Presidents terms to end. Whomever wins next election has a big problem of over 8 trillion dollars, and still growing, more debt under the Obama years to try to get paid down. It does not matter about the party causing the debt, it will have to be taken care of soon by the elected officials we send to Washington DC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013
[h=1]United States federal government shutdown of 2013[/h]
From October 1 through 16, 2013, the United States federal government entered a shutdown and curtailed most routine operations because neither legislation appropriating funds for fiscal year 2014 nor a continuing resolution for the interim authorization of appropriations for fiscal year 2014 was enacted in time. Regular government operations resumed October 17 after an interim appropriations bill was signed into law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013
[h=1]United States federal government shutdown of 2013[/h]
From October 1 through 16, 2013, the United States federal government entered a shutdown and curtailed most routine operations because neither legislation appropriating funds for fiscal year 2014 nor a continuing resolution for the interim authorization of appropriations for fiscal year 2014 was enacted in time. Regular government operations resumed October 17 after an interim appropriations bill was signed into law.
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I've posted this example before.. This is what the GOP thinks compromise is..
Can I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/04/1244084/-R-s-type-of-compromise-Can-I-burn-down-your-house#
Can I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/04/1244084/-R-s-type-of-compromise-Can-I-burn-down-your-house#
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This does not confirm your previous statement that President Obama "shuts down the government to make his case".
The blind and damned fools are those that support our present government. Wait till next election is over and then we will have some new players to help this country get out of the debt built during this Presidents term. To say he is just sitting around and allowing the Republicans to build all this debt does not speak well of his abilities and strengths. These current debts, since he took charge, are Obama's to speak for, no one else can do so.
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Now now now.... Name calling again bob?
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Question, if something happens during President Obama's tenure and it is "his fault," and something doesn't occur during his tenure and that is also "his fault" regardless if he instigated either situation, what does that tell you?
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It tells be a whole bunch.... some will like it much better when our next president is of a lighter hue... or has an R after his name.
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Can we add Obamas $8 trillion to our deficit.?
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Cleaning up BUSHES mess... and saving our economy and our asses...
Unfortunately... Bush put two wars.... tax cuts for the wealthy, AND Medicare part D on the National credit card.. The bill just didn't arrive until he was out of office and Obama could be blamed for it...
Unfortunately... Bush put two wars.... tax cuts for the wealthy, AND Medicare part D on the National credit card.. The bill just didn't arrive until he was out of office and Obama could be blamed for it...
Among other things, the posts above show no smarts at all. Just more of the smart ass attitudes of some. Arrogance and ignorance seem to go hand in hand. Since Obama is so smart, why does he not stop all this debt you folks blame on the Republicans. It is not that he is not smart it is that it is Obama that is doing all the spending with those wide open budgets that he and Reid pushed through and over the objections of the Republican House. A big 8 trillion dollars of debt added to the US future. And still rising to higher levels.
It all started actually in Bush's last two years when the Democrats took control of both houses of the Congress and added near 3 trillion to the debt over Bush's objections by adding riders to the bills Bush needed to pay for the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. A tactic that should not be allowed by anybody.
It all started actually in Bush's last two years when the Democrats took control of both houses of the Congress and added near 3 trillion to the debt over Bush's objections by adding riders to the bills Bush needed to pay for the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. A tactic that should not be allowed by anybody.
Trump made legitimate business decisions. Even though he had bankruptcies at least he initiated the project or bought a business that created thousands of jobs for contractors and employees. A failing company cuts hours, staff, downsizes and/or winds up stiffing people without bankruptcy/illegally. At least you know where you stand with a company that you know is going to close it doors or restructure. Bankruptcy is ment to help people to move on. There are abuses and there are legitimate use of that financial tool.
Fiorina took over a legacy company that needed to do something different ie enter the home computer market which they did with the Compaq merger. Mergers take money and usually wind up combining operations and functions hence the layoffs. I've gone through several mergers of big national companies and they are never pretty. Many mergers take 3-5 years to complete including combining operations, functions, standards, equipment, policy etc. The true effects of some mergers can take over 5 years to fully realize. Fiorina had to restructure, buy out pensions, finance severance packages among other things. HP and others are/were full of old school legacy employees and investors which will never willingly accept change. Stock, pffft, even I don't rely on "professional" stock market pontification, learned that lesson long ago. With high frequency, institutional computerized trading logical stock prices and targets will not work with a lot of companies.
Sometimes making the right business decision does not look pretty or seem fair but government needs many similar decisions made and the people who can & will make them.
For one, this is a very narrow minded idea of the US voters. Nothing in his 6 years of office has happened to say the people have problems with Obama's color. Noting at all except your twisted post.
Most of the problems on this thread relate to the idea that we use political parties to run our government. It should all be done by the elected and no parties involved. As the Constitution has things set up. Even the parties are not the same today as they were 50 years ago. They keep trying to gain full control of the elections but are actually losing in size as they are no longer near half for either of them. Now at about 30% for either and 40% for the independents. Both parties are slowly losing in size.
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You sound like him, "It's all legal". I don't want him messing in our government business and I don't expect he will get the chance. Fiorina showed her executive reasoning and it damn near killed off HP.
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Jim, are you saying Chapter 11 Bankruptcy is NOT legal?? I doubt he'll win the nomination either if he doesn't start thinking before he speaks.AZJim said:
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Where did I say that. Of course it's "legal". It may or may be immoral when done repeatedly as he has done but in either event it shows a lack of judgement that caused many others considerable pain and everyone but he paid the price. Trump is a notorious shark and cheater.
Bankruptcy is never preferred. I've seen individuals abuse it and I know others that had to use it. I've worked for companies in the final year before bankruptcy and was lucky to have gotten laid off and allowed unemployment benefits. But I also got shorted on some pay including expense money. Had many days where I was told go to the main office to see if they have work and was sent home with no work after a 30 mile drive. They started giving out comp time instead of overtime, they got rid of comp time and let you go home early so some days my commute for was for 3-4 hours of pay. The productivity requirement including deadlines got insane. If a company is eligible for bankruptcy it is already not a pretty picture.
Fiorina already had a stagnate or not dying business. Computers were already taking over a lot of the stuff business machines or equipment did. HP needed to go much deeper into the computer business. IBM also came close. Tech and/or tech equipment has been fickle since the internet boom of the 90s. As an ex union member I still am frequently appalled by what I see but looking in as an outsider or reflect I now understand why there are things like downsizing or getting in & out of certain lines of business. And again, stock price, pffttt, not a true indicator of the business although still misused as a metric and/or rationalization for corporate action.
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[h=1]Hillary Clinton unveils plan to lower prescription drug costs[/h]Source: usatoday.com
Heidi M Przybyla, USA TODAY 12:06 a.m. EDT September 22, 2015
............Clinton's plan, according to the campaign, will propose to:
Deny tax breaks for consumer advertising and demand that drug companies instead invest U.S. taxpayer dollars in research and development. Many companies benefit from corporate write-offs for advertising aimed specifically at consumers. Companies that receive federal funds would be required to reinvest a certain amount in research.
Encourage the production of generic drugs including lowering the amount of time companies can exclusively produce new treatments.
Cap what insurers can charge consumers with chronic or serious health conditions in out-of-pocket costs. Health insurance plans would place a monthly limit of $250 on out-of-pocket costs for such patients.
Allow Americans to import drugs from abroad. Countries in Europe with similar safety standards often pay half of what American pay for the same drugs, according to the campaign.
Allow Medicare to negotiate drug and biologic prices, especially for high-cost drugs with limited competition.
Read more:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...0709313&PID=6157437&SID=ievcyxnhef00xkod00dth
Heidi M Przybyla, USA TODAY 12:06 a.m. EDT September 22, 2015
............Clinton's plan, according to the campaign, will propose to:
Deny tax breaks for consumer advertising and demand that drug companies instead invest U.S. taxpayer dollars in research and development. Many companies benefit from corporate write-offs for advertising aimed specifically at consumers. Companies that receive federal funds would be required to reinvest a certain amount in research.
Encourage the production of generic drugs including lowering the amount of time companies can exclusively produce new treatments.
Cap what insurers can charge consumers with chronic or serious health conditions in out-of-pocket costs. Health insurance plans would place a monthly limit of $250 on out-of-pocket costs for such patients.
Allow Americans to import drugs from abroad. Countries in Europe with similar safety standards often pay half of what American pay for the same drugs, according to the campaign.
Allow Medicare to negotiate drug and biologic prices, especially for high-cost drugs with limited competition.
Read more:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...0709313&PID=6157437&SID=ievcyxnhef00xkod00dth
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Finally someone has to tackle big Pharma... Did you see this on the news yesterday?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/b...se-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html?_r=0
Specialists in infectious disease are protesting a gigantic overnight increase in the price of a 62-year-old drug that is the standard of care for treating a life-threatening parasitic infection.
The drug, called Daraprim, was acquired in August by Turing Pharmaceuticals, a start-up run by a former hedge fund manager. Turing immediately raised the price to $750 a tablet from $13.50, bringing the annual cost of treatment for some patients to hundreds of thousands of dollars.
“What is it that they are doing differently that has led to this dramatic increase?” said Dr. Judith Aberg, the chief of the division of infectious diseases at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. She said the price increase could force hospitals to use “alternative therapies that may not have the same efficacy.”
Continue reading the main story [h=2].[/h]
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/b...se-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html?_r=0
Specialists in infectious disease are protesting a gigantic overnight increase in the price of a 62-year-old drug that is the standard of care for treating a life-threatening parasitic infection.
The drug, called Daraprim, was acquired in August by Turing Pharmaceuticals, a start-up run by a former hedge fund manager. Turing immediately raised the price to $750 a tablet from $13.50, bringing the annual cost of treatment for some patients to hundreds of thousands of dollars.
“What is it that they are doing differently that has led to this dramatic increase?” said Dr. Judith Aberg, the chief of the division of infectious diseases at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. She said the price increase could force hospitals to use “alternative therapies that may not have the same efficacy.”
Continue reading the main story [h=2].[/h]
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Well... Ya know... that's Capitalism.... survival of the fittest... He had the money to by the company so he deserves to ruin peoples lives... /sarcasm..
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Lindsey Graham: Hell no, I'm not gonna drop out.
Republican presidential candidate Lindsey Graham, whose poll numbers are so low that pollsters usually put an asterisk by his name, took his candidacy to the set of ABC’s The View on Tuesday morning, where the first question was about why he stays in the race.
Whoopi Goldberg said flatly, “What’s keeping you in?”
“I think I would be a commander in chief worthy of the sacrifice of the 1% who are taking care of all of us,” Graham said, sitting among the all-female panel.
Graham’s central campaign theme is national security and deploying more troops to the Middle East to battle terrorism. He did not soften his tone for daytime TV.
“If I get to be commander in chief, we’re gonna go over and kill as many of these bastards as we can before they come here,” the South Carolina senator said.
The second question was even more pointed, suggesting the crowded field is harmful to the Republican Party and that some of the candidates should just drop out.
Graham deployed his trademark humor and agreed that yes, everyone else should drop out.
But the questioner persisted: “Isn’t there a time when you just have to say it’s not working, I’m going to do what’s best for the Republican Party?”
After a long answer about his military career, and how those who serve in the military aren’t quitters, and having to help raise his younger sister after their parents died, Graham said, “No. Hell no, I’m not gonna drop out.”
The latest poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal had Graham polling at less than 1%.
http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/09/29/lindsey-graham-hell-no-im-not-gonna-drop-out/
I'm so glad to know that Graham is 'worthy of the sacrifice of the 1%'.
Republican presidential candidate Lindsey Graham, whose poll numbers are so low that pollsters usually put an asterisk by his name, took his candidacy to the set of ABC’s The View on Tuesday morning, where the first question was about why he stays in the race.
Whoopi Goldberg said flatly, “What’s keeping you in?”
“I think I would be a commander in chief worthy of the sacrifice of the 1% who are taking care of all of us,” Graham said, sitting among the all-female panel.
Graham’s central campaign theme is national security and deploying more troops to the Middle East to battle terrorism. He did not soften his tone for daytime TV.
“If I get to be commander in chief, we’re gonna go over and kill as many of these bastards as we can before they come here,” the South Carolina senator said.
The second question was even more pointed, suggesting the crowded field is harmful to the Republican Party and that some of the candidates should just drop out.
Graham deployed his trademark humor and agreed that yes, everyone else should drop out.
But the questioner persisted: “Isn’t there a time when you just have to say it’s not working, I’m going to do what’s best for the Republican Party?”
After a long answer about his military career, and how those who serve in the military aren’t quitters, and having to help raise his younger sister after their parents died, Graham said, “No. Hell no, I’m not gonna drop out.”
The latest poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal had Graham polling at less than 1%.
http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/09/29/lindsey-graham-hell-no-im-not-gonna-drop-out/
I'm so glad to know that Graham is 'worthy of the sacrifice of the 1%'.
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[h=1]This pertains to Hillary Clinton's campaign....
Democrats Call For Immediate End To Benghazi Investigation After McCarthy Admits Fraud [/h]
Source: Politicususa.com
By: Jason Easley more from Jason Easley
Wednesday, September, 30th, 2015, 1:32 pm
After Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) admitted that Republicans lied about the purpose of the Benghazi investigation, several top Democrats are calling out the House Republicans’ abuse of power and calling for an immediate end to the investigation.
Rep. McCarthy got flustered during an interview with Sean Hannity and blew the worst kept political secret in Washington. He admitted that the Benghazi investigation is all about digging up mud on Hillary Clinton.
The ranking member of the Select Committee on Benghazi, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) said, “This stunning concession from Rep. McCarthy reveals the truth that Republicans never dared admit in public: the core Republican goal in establishing the Benghazi Committee was always to damage Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and never to conduct an even-handed search for the facts. It is shameful that Republicans have used this tragedy and the deaths of our fellow Americans for political gain. Republicans have blatantly abused their authority in Congress by spending more than $4.5 million in taxpayer funds to pay for a political campaign against Hillary Clinton.”
The office of Democratic Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said, “House Republicans were never interested in a bipartisan investigation to improve the security of Americans abroad. They’ve only been interested in pure extremist political theater. Leader McCarthy: the American people don’t want more politically-motivated “select committees” – not to smear presidential candidates, and not to assault women’s health. They want real leadership to confront the challenges we face as a nation.”
Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA) called for an immediate end to the Benghazi investigation and for Republicans to apologize to the families of the Benghazi victims,.....................
Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09...hazi-investigation-mccarthy-admits-fraud.html
Democrats Call For Immediate End To Benghazi Investigation After McCarthy Admits Fraud [/h]
Source: Politicususa.com
By: Jason Easley more from Jason Easley
Wednesday, September, 30th, 2015, 1:32 pm
After Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) admitted that Republicans lied about the purpose of the Benghazi investigation, several top Democrats are calling out the House Republicans’ abuse of power and calling for an immediate end to the investigation.
Rep. McCarthy got flustered during an interview with Sean Hannity and blew the worst kept political secret in Washington. He admitted that the Benghazi investigation is all about digging up mud on Hillary Clinton.
The ranking member of the Select Committee on Benghazi, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) said, “This stunning concession from Rep. McCarthy reveals the truth that Republicans never dared admit in public: the core Republican goal in establishing the Benghazi Committee was always to damage Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and never to conduct an even-handed search for the facts. It is shameful that Republicans have used this tragedy and the deaths of our fellow Americans for political gain. Republicans have blatantly abused their authority in Congress by spending more than $4.5 million in taxpayer funds to pay for a political campaign against Hillary Clinton.”
The office of Democratic Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said, “House Republicans were never interested in a bipartisan investigation to improve the security of Americans abroad. They’ve only been interested in pure extremist political theater. Leader McCarthy: the American people don’t want more politically-motivated “select committees” – not to smear presidential candidates, and not to assault women’s health. They want real leadership to confront the challenges we face as a nation.”
Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA) called for an immediate end to the Benghazi investigation and for Republicans to apologize to the families of the Benghazi victims,.....................
Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09...hazi-investigation-mccarthy-admits-fraud.html
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FRAUD!? Republican "investigation" a FRAUD!? Your're kidding right? lol!
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Yeah, I've never seen any Democrats try to search out the true facts of Fiorina's or Trump's records for the purpose of damaging their presidential campaign….:lofl:Jackie22 said:
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