The unvaccinated

[Alligatorob]

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Here is what the WHO actually says, a bit more complex than the headline but the headline isn't completely off base:

The low priority group includes healthy children and adolescents aged 6 months to 17 years. Primary and booster doses are safe and effective in children and adolescents. However, considering the low burden of disease, SAGE urges countries considering vaccination of this age group to base their decisions on contextual factors, such as the disease burden, cost effectiveness, and other health or programmatic priorities and opportunity costs.

The public health impact of vaccinating healthy children and adolescents is comparatively much lower than the established benefits of traditional essential vaccines for children – such as the rotavirus, measles, and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines – and of COVID-19 vaccines for high and medium priority groups. Children with immunocompromising conditions and comorbidities do face a higher risk of severe COVID-19, so are included in the high and medium priority groups respectively.

Though low overall, the burden of severe COVID-19 in infants under 6 months is still higher than in children aged 6 months to 5 years. Vaccinating pregnant persons – including with an additional dose if more than 6 months have passed since the last dose – protects both them and the fetus, while helping to reduce the likelihood of hospitalization of infants for COVID-19.

For us older adults WHO still recommends vaccinations:

The high priority group includes older adults; younger adults with significant comorbidities (e.g. diabetes and heart disease); people with immunocompromising conditions (e.g. people living with HIV and transplant recipients), including children aged 6 months and older; pregnant persons; and frontline health workers.

For the high priority group, SAGE recommends an additional booster of either 6 or 12 months after the last dose, with the timeframe depending on factors such as age and immunocompromising conditions. All the COVID-19 vaccine recommendations are time-limited, applying for the current epidemiological scenario only, and so the additional booster recommendations should not be seen as for continued annual COVID-19 vaccine boosters. The aim is to serve countries planning for the near- to mid-term.

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-03-2023-sage-updates-covid-19-vaccination-guidance

 

[ElCastor]

John, can you point to where that is published? I can't find anything like it.

What I have seen is that the effectiveness of the vaccine does decline with time, but not that fast. Here is a quote from a study that found some effectiveness beyond 5 months:

During the period of Omicron predominance, VE against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations was lower overall and waned with time since vaccination: VE after a second dose declined from 71% within 2 months of vaccination to 54% among those vaccinated ≥5 months earlier (p = 0.01). Among recipients of 3 doses, VE against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations declined from 91% among those vaccinated within the past 2 months to 78% among those vaccinated ≥4 months earlier (p<0.001).

Waning 2-Dose and 3-Dose Effectiveness of mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department and Urgent Care Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During Periods of Delta and Omicron
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm

And here, from the the summary included in the same report you quote, is the summarized conclusion and advice of the CDC …

“What are the implications for public health practice?
All eligible persons should remain up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations to best protect against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations and ED/UC visits.”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm

 

[Evada]

Gee, what a shocker! A group of doctors touting the benefits of a vaccine - that has been shown to have zero benefits!
Good thing there's no bias there.
You really expect Johns Hopkins to say:
"Well, OK, we know Covid vaccines offer no protection whatsoever & they can cause harm, but we want everyone to get them, anyway."

Found this funny one today

 

[ElCastor]

Evada, here’s another funny one for you one that for your sake I hope you take seriously …

“All eligible persons should remain up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations to best protect against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations and ED/UC visits.”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm

BTW, my wife and I have contracted Covid mutations twice, but because we are both fully vaccinated, no hospitalization for something that was little more than a head cold.

I have a niece who faints at the sight of a needle. I wonder if a similar problem influences many antivaxers.

 

[win231]

Evada, here’s another funny one for you one that for your sake I hope you take seriously …

“All eligible persons should remain up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations to best protect against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations and ED/UC visits.”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm

BTW, my wife and I have contracted Covid mutations twice, but because we are both fully vaccinated, no hospitalization for something that was little more than a head cold.

I have a niece who faints at the sight of a needle. I wonder if a similar problem influences many antivaxers.

Yes, a "Head Cold." Exactly my Covid experience. But without vaccines.
And.....by the way, I only contracted Covid once. No mutations. Your experience indicates you might have been better off without vaccines.
"Faint at the sight of a needle?" I would have a life span of about 2 weeks. I use a needle 4 times/day. Insulin-dependent diabetic.

 

[Evada]

Evada, here’s another funny one for you one that for your sake I hope you take seriously …

“All eligible persons should remain up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations to best protect against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations and ED/UC visits.”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm

BTW, my wife and I have contracted Covid mutations twice, but because we are both fully vaccinated, no hospitalization for something that was little more than a head cold.

I have a niece who faints at the sight of a needle. I wonder if a similar problem influences many antivaxers.

Since you mentioned your niece: Covid Vaccines Are Not Needed For Healthy Kids And Teens, Says World Health Organization - Bing News

 

[ElCastor]

Since you mentioned your niece: Covid Vaccines Are Not Needed For Healthy Kids And Teens, Says World Health Organization - Bing News

My niece is an adult. Her fear is a well known and recognized problem, I suspect it is one that may motivate many anti-vaxers.

Trypanophobia (Fear of Needles)​

Trypanophobia is the intense fear of needles. Specifically, people with trypanophobia fear needles in medical settings. They may avoid getting vaccines, blood draws or intravenous (IV) fluids. Although needle phobia is common, it can have severe consequences if it causes you to avoid or delay medical care. Treatment can help.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22731-trypanophobia-fear-of-needles

 

[Evada]

My niece is an adult. Her fear is a well known and recognized problem, I suspect it is one that may motivate many anti-vaxers.

Trypanophobia (Fear of Needles)​

Trypanophobia is the intense fear of needles. Specifically, people with trypanophobia fear needles in medical settings. They may avoid getting vaccines, blood draws or intravenous (IV) fluids. Although needle phobia is common, it can have severe consequences if it causes you to avoid or delay medical care. Treatment can help.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22731-trypanophobia-fear-of-needles

So, my assumption regarding your niece's age was wrong, but what plenty of scientists (censored by corporate and social media) said for years and WHO is finally admitting (after Big Pharma made countless billions in profit) still stands.

You should watch https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html and draw your own conclusions.

 

[win231]

My niece is an adult. Her fear is a well known and recognized problem, I suspect it is one that may motivate many anti-vaxers.

Trypanophobia (Fear of Needles)​

Trypanophobia is the intense fear of needles. Specifically, people with trypanophobia fear needles in medical settings. They may avoid getting vaccines, blood draws or intravenous (IV) fluids. Although needle phobia is common, it can have severe consequences if it causes you to avoid or delay medical care. Treatment can help.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22731-trypanophobia-fear-of-needles

Has your treatment for Trypanohobia worked?

 

[ElCastor]

So, my assumption regarding your niece's age was wrong, but what plenty of scientists (censored by corporate and social media) said for years and WHO is finally admitting (after Big Pharma made countless billions in profit) still stands.

You should watch https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html and draw your own conclusions

I guess you are fairly new here. I am a dedicated Vaxer and am not going to change. Next booster becomes available and I will be first in line - or maybe second behind my wife. I have quoted the CDC and various medical sources on the subject, but why bother? Good luck to you, but I suggest you read more than your rumble.com post.

 

[chic]

Nothing anyone says will change the minds of those who've bought into the vaccination thing. They've become a cult. Let them be boosted until the end of time. It's their lives.

 

[oscash]

My sister is dead set against being vaccinated - she and her friends attend a Church which says there is no need to be vaccinated. Her whole family are so upset with her. But that is her choice. When people bring religion into the argument I switch off. Every time I visit a friend in the Nursing Home, I have to do the RAT Test and always have to wear masks in hospitals.

 

[John cycling]

I am a dedicated Vaxer and am not going to change. Next booster becomes available and I will be first in line.

Alethophobia --> a crippling fear of the truth​

A disease characterized by fear or dislike of the truth; an unwillingness to come to terms with truth or facts.
In this particular case a reluctance to either stopping the current behavior, while likewise being afraid to proceed.

For example still missing the last 22 shots <-- while saying he'll get #5 soon, but when?
Meanwhile, more posting of petro-cdc-pharma propaganda, where they say their toxic chemicals are all safe!

@oscash - I always ignore the clot shot religion and proponents of such.

 

[chic]

Alethophobia --> a crippling fear of the truth​

A disease characterized by fear or dislike of the truth; an unwillingness to come to terms with truth or facts.
In this particular case a reluctance to either stopping the current behavior, while likewise being afraid to proceed.

For example still missing the last 22 shots <-- while saying he'll get #5 soon, but when?
Meanwhile, more posting of petro-cdc-pharma propaganda, where they say their toxic chemicals are all safe!

@oscash - I always ignore the clot shot religion and proponents of such.

Yes that could be part of it. Willful blindness to the truth because it's easier than changing your mind about something like this.

 

[Blessed]

My niece is an adult. Her fear is a well known and recognized problem, I suspect it is one that may motivate many anti-vaxers.

Trypanophobia (Fear of Needles)​

Trypanophobia is the intense fear of needles. Specifically, people with trypanophobia fear needles in medical settings. They may avoid getting vaccines, blood draws or intravenous (IV) fluids. Although needle phobia is common, it can have severe consequences if it causes you to avoid or delay medical care. Treatment can help.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22731-trypanophobia-fear-of-needles

I always had a fear of needles, I would often pass out during blood draws. My husband got cancer, the needles were nonstop with worst accessing his chemo port on his chest. He never complained but I could see it hurt. He taught me to accept some medical/painful things have to be done.

I am over my fear now, I don't like to get shots, have blood draws but I was just making it something horrible in my mind. I have received botox for migraine headaches for a decade. That is 32 to 36 injections in your forehead, scalp and shoulders. Not fun but my doctor is great, it is all over in minutes. The worst ones are in the forehead. I know longer think about needles, if my husband could tolerate what he went through there is no reason for me to object.

I have one thing I am trying to accept. That would be steroid injections into my neck. Seems like a hard painful procedure. They do not put you to sleep, it is also a long needle to reach the inflamed nerves. All the others I have conquered are just short noninvasive injections.

@Murrmurr, I know you have had injections like this for your back. Have you or anyone else had it done for cervical spine disease?

 

[Murrmurr]

I have one thing I am trying to accept. That would be steroid injections into my neck. Seems like a hard painful procedure. They do not put you to sleep, it is also a long needle to reach the inflamed nerves. All the others I have conquered are just short noninvasive injections.

@Murrmurr, I know you have had injections like this for your back. Have you or anyone else had it done for cervical spine disease?

The procedure is not painful at all. I was quite comfortable through the whole thing. I sort of felt the installation of the injection ports, but it wasn't painful at all. A nurse applies a topical numbing agent before anything breaks your skin, so you know things are happening while they're happening, but you don't really feel it.

The worst part was when they wiped a disinfectant all over my back because it was ice-cold (purposely), and then that was followed by the numbing agent, which felt sort of pins & needles tingly for like a minute. And that was the worst of it.

 

[Blessed]

The procedure is not painful at all. I was quite comfortable through the whole thing. I sort of felt the installation of the injection ports, but it wasn't painful at all. A nurse applies a topical numbing agent before anything breaks your skin, so you know things are happening while they're happening, but you don't really feel it.

The worst part was when they wiped a disinfectant all over my back because it was ice-cold (purposely), and then that was followed by the numbing agent, which felt sort of pins & needles tingly for like a minute. And that was the worst of it.

Thanks so much!! Can you explain more about the injection port. I have never heard of that. When my husband had his chemo port placed he was under anesthesia they were taking a biopsy of the cancer in his lungs. NO, he did not have lung cancer, he had basal cell carcinoma that had somehow spread to his lungs. Very, very rare.

 

[Murrmurr]

Thanks so much!! Can you explain more about the injection port. I have never heard of that. When my husband had his chemo port placed he was under anesthesia they were taking a biopsy of the cancer in his lungs. NO, he did not have lung cancer, he had basal cell carcinoma that had somehow spread to his lungs. Very, very rare.

The chemicals have to be injected directly into a foramen, the hollow part of the vertebra where the nerve roots are. The foramens are pretty small and the nerve roots are minuscule, so the needle needs guidance from a tiny camera. The camera and the needle are inserted through a port, and the person doing the procedure can watch what s/he's doing on a monitor.

I assume it's done the same way for the cervical spine.

 

[Blessed]

The chemicals have to be injected directly into a foramen, the hollow part of the vertebra where the nerve roots are. The foramens are pretty small and the nerve roots are minuscule, so the needle needs guidance from a tiny camera. The camera and the needle are inserted through a port, and the person doing the procedure can watch what s/he's doing on a monitor.

I assume it's done the same way for the cervical spine.

Thanks, I knew that the procedure was done with some sort of xray/ct scan. Do they have to cut the skin to install something to have the help guide the needle where they need to go. Is this port left in place for future treatments?

 

[chic]

I always had a fear of needles, I would often pass out during blood draws. My husband got cancer, the needles were nonstop with worst accessing his chemo port on his chest. He never complained but I could see it hurt. He taught me to accept some medical/painful things have to be done.

I am over my fear now, I don't like to get shots, have blood draws but I was just making it something horrible in my mind. I have received botox for migraine headaches for a decade. That is 32 to 36 injections in your forehead, scalp and shoulders. Not fun but my doctor is great, it is all over in minutes. The worst ones are in the forehead. I know longer think about needles, if my husband could tolerate what he went through there is no reason for me to object.

I have one thing I am trying to accept. That would be steroid injections into my neck. Seems like a hard painful procedure. They do not put you to sleep, it is also a long needle to reach the inflamed nerves. All the others I have conquered are just short noninvasive injections.

@Murrmurr, I know you have had injections like this for your back. Have you or anyone else had it done for cervical spine disease?

I'm an adult but have no fear of needles and I'm not an anti vaxxer because I've had all the other vaccines. Just not the covid one so can we get that straight please. Labels are childish.

 

[Blessed]

I'm an adult but have no fear of needles and I'm not an anti vaxxer because I've had all the other vaccines. Just not the covid one so can we get that straight please. Labels are childish.

I support your decision to not have the Covid vaccination. That is a choice for all, but we have seen that people have lost jobs, careers over not taking the vaccine. Each person has to weigh the choice and choose what to do. It makes no one better or worse by their choice. I did not post a label to anyone. I do not understand the reason any person feels the need to judge others regarding their medical care. Sorry if you took my post the wrong way.

 

[Murrmurr]

Thanks, I knew that the procedure was done with some sort of xray/ct scan. Do they have to cut the skin to install something to have the help guide the needle where they need to go. Is this port left in place for future treatments?

The port is removed immediately after the procedure. Most often it's inserted with a relatively large needle, just like with an IV port. No need for stitches, just a bandaid. And it heals super fast because your skin has been thoroughly disinfected.