The Vietnam War

I appreciated the boys flying the F-4's coming in and allowing us to safely pull back before they laid down Napalm during two different incursions with the enemy.
 

FastTrax said:
I thought I made it very clear in my post that I wasn't in Vietnam during the war but my post reflected my take on the information that was available to me at the time. Either way I seriously apologize for any offense you may have taken from my contribution to the Military Veterans Subforum. I will never interfere on this Subforum posting inaccurate and/or inflammatory information. You have my word on that. Good day all.
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Hold on, big buddy! I take no offense to your input, and the "information that was available to you" was (is?) the very same "information" that was available to EVERYONE. How could you know what I or any other veteran feels or believes? You can't. So don't take the opposing view personally. Anyway, "you may think" or "one may think" is the same thing. My comments were not directed to/at you. I only took the opportunity to reply to your statement, "I seriously believed the America Forces were actually winning the Vietnam War" but I responded to all those who have the same notion. There are so many. Get back on the horse, good friend - come back! :) :) :) My reply was a more detailed and personal definition of the Military-Industrial Complex regarding Vietnam, put together in my simple-minded fashion. I wanted only to say that there was no "winning strategy" in the Vietnam War because "winning" was never the goal in the first place. Perpetual business was the only prize.

I apologize for giving you the wrong impression that I held you responsible for anything. No - no - no. 🙃
 
let us consider some things as to the military conflict in southeast asia, the so called war... up until that time most education at the military academies was aimed at war in europe where we had the greatest amount of deployed forces...compare the topography of the two,,,,europe.. open or forested acres,,,southeast asia,, dense jungle. both had mountainous areas, but being taught to fight when you can see the enemy on the far hill is far different than peering through jungle foliage...forested or open grazing land is much easier to fight in then creeping through thick brush jungle...so lets be real and consider that these were two differenty types of warfare...........
 

cdestroyer said:
let us consider some things as to the military conflict in southeast asia, the so called war... up until that time most education at the military academies was aimed at war in europe where we had the greatest amount of deployed forces...compare the topography of the two,,,,europe.. open or forested acres,,,southeast asia,, dense jungle. both had mountainous areas, but being taught to fight when you can see the enemy on the far hill is far different than peering through jungle foliage...forested or open grazing land is much easier to fight in then creeping through thick brush jungle...so lets be real and consider that these were two differenty types of warfare...........
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Absolutely... (y)

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Verisure said:
Inside of those hundred boxes or so you will find every race, colour, and creed. I knew there were some awful things being committed in the US during that time ... in the name of racism & anti-Semitism ... but what really pissed me off is that there were some of us who were just as racist while in the "Nam". Obviously, America didn't educate its sons and daughters very well back then and it looks like nothing has improved even to this very day.
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Can't speak for others, but, we all bled the same color red and you had to trust your brothers to have your back.
Heading for Cambodia incursion... which by the way could have ended that war had not the greedy politicians feared losing their money train.

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Verisure I owe you my sincerest apology. Against my better judgement sometimes my skin get's a little too thin for it's own good. No harm intended no harm done. Take care my friend.
 
For years, I have thought about the 300,000 men and women that have died from agent orange, not to mention their families that also suffered a loss. Put that number with the 58,000 that were killed in combat and you would have thought the total number would have reflected towards a larger war than what it was.

I had two friends that died from AO. One from liver cancer and one from esophageal cancer. Both suffered tremendously for months and after every visit to to see them, I would leave with tears in my eyes and thinking, "There but for the grace of God go I." At my closest friend's funeral, the choir sang two songs, "Amazing Grace" and "Rock of Ages." Both songs were heart-breaking to sit through. Isn't it funny how we remember things like that?
 
oldman said:
For years, I have thought about the 300,000 men and women that have died from agent orange, not to mention their families that also suffered a loss. ....
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That figure is not even close. The number of 4 million is more of the truth and half a million children have been born with serious birth defects,
 
oldman said:
I don't think four million have died from AO. I wasn't aware that the U.S. sent four million men and women over to Vietnam.
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It looks like you are saying that the Vietnamese don't matter (that you don't give a shit about them) but I must be misunderstanding you, right? 😐
 
going 'up river' was not as comfortable and many might think. I don't have a photo of a deck loaded with ammo but you can imagine 325 tons of 155mm howitzer ammo filling these holds and stacked on top and why you would not want anyone shooting at you..
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we delivered just about anything that was needed by the bases in the delta and down at anthoi in the gulf of thailand
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cdestroyer said:
going 'up river' was not as comfortable and many might think. I don't have a photo of a deck loaded with ammo but you can imagine 325 tons of 155mm howitzer ammo filling these holds and stacked on top and why you would not want anyone shooting at you..
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we delivered just about anything that was needed by the bases in the delta and down at anthoi in the gulf of thailand
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Did you have swift boat escorts?
 
Verisure said:
It looks like you are saying that the Vietnamese don't matter (that you don't give a shit about them) but I must be misunderstanding you, right? 😐
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What? About 300,000 military people from the U.S. have died as the result of being in contact with agent orange. That’s what is being reported by the VA.

Please stop being coercive. SF is a friendly place. We don’t assume anything and we allow posters the opportunity to explain themselves without trying to make them out to be the bad guy. We are all friends here.
 
oldman said:
What? About 300,000 military people from the U.S. have died as the result of being in contact with agent orange. That’s what is being reported by the VA.

Please stop being coercive. SF is a friendly place. We don’t assume anything and we allow posters the opportunity to explain themselves without trying to make them out to be the bad guy. We are all friends here.
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Yes, I agree, SF is a friendly place. It is also international. It is not "American" Senior Forum. I'm sitting here right now thinking, 'should I have responded to your earlier post ... or not?' Sometimes I think so and sometimes I don't. I'll let you be the judge. Here is my position: We murdered so many innocent Vietnamese who never did anything to us unless you think defending their country is an aggressive act. You may want to say we killed them in self-defense so it wasn't"murder" but we didn't belong there. It wasn't our country. You mention "trying to make them out to be the bad guy" but I don't know who you mean by "them". Make no mistake, we were the bad guys. I can give you many reasons why that is true but you probably don't want to get that involved with the dialogue. That's OK, I can understand. Try to understand me. AGENT ORANGE killed more than one generation of Vietnamese people so when someone singles out the unfortunate death of a mere 300,000 Americans ... by mistake, I am ALSO thinking about the Vietnamese who were subjected to the full force of Agent Orange ..... on purpose. As I said, this is an international forum for "seniors", not 'American seniors'. I wonder if there might a Vietnamese senior on this forum. Have you considered that possibility? Do you still think my response was coercive? If I haven't impressed you maybe I've at least given you some food for thought. Your opinion - My opinion, hmmmmm.
 
I was in junior high as the last US troops pulled out of Vietnam. Looking back on those years, there is a lot of irony to what happened back then and where America is right now. We killed over one million communists during the course of that war, and yet this country is fast becoming that which we fought. We didn't stop the communists then nor can we stop them now.
 
Time Waits 4 No Man said:
I was in junior high as the last US troops pulled out of Vietnam. Looking back on those years, there is a lot of irony to what happened back then and where America is right now. We killed over one million communists during the course of that war, and yet this country is fast becoming that which we fought. We didn't stop the communists then nor can we stop them now.
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Don't cry. "The Communists" (as you call them) haven't killed all of the Capitalists yet either.
 

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