The virus is still winning

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The virus is still winning

This simple chart shows why the new variants of the coronavirus — first detected in Britain and South Africa — are so worrisome:

The chart compares the spread of the virus in each of those two countries with the spread in a group of nearby countries. As you can see, cases have surged in Britain and South Africa since the variants first surfaced — while holding fairly steady in the rest of western Europe and southern Africa.

The new variants may not be the only reason. Britain and South Africa differ from their neighbors in other ways, as well. But there is no obvious explanation for the contrast besides the virus’s mutations.

This suggests the rest of the world may now be at risk of a new Covid-19 surge.

The variants already seem to have spread around much of the world. More than 30 other countries, including the U.S., have diagnosed cases with the variant first detected in Britain, which is known as B.1.1.7. Scientists say that it could soon become the dominant form of the virus.

The B.1.1.7 variant appears to be between 10 percent and 60 percent more transmissible than the original version. One possible reason: It may increase the amount of the virus that infected people carry in their noses and throats, which in turn would raise the likelihood that they infect others through breathing, talking, sneezing, coughing and so on.

As I’ve explained before, the biggest factor that will determine how many more people die from the virus isn’t likely to be the precise effectiveness of the vaccines or even the speed of their rollout. The biggest factor is instead likely to be how much we reduce the spread of the virus over the next few months, through a combination of mask wearing, social distancing and expanded testing. Those efforts can cut caseloads — and, by extension, deaths — more rapidly than a mass vaccination campaign can.

But the U.S. was struggling to hold down new infections even before the variants appeared, and they will probably make the job more difficult. “I dismissed the news initially because viruses mutate all the time and there have been too many baseless ‘mutant-ninja virus’ doomsaying headlines this year,” Zeynep Tufekci wrote in The Atlantic last week. “However, as data on the new variant roll in, there is cause for real concern.”

My colleague Apoorva Mandavilli, in a piece explaining what scientists do and don’t know about the variants, writes that they may end up “exacerbating an unrelenting rise in deaths and overwhelming the already strained health care system.”

In recent days, the number of Americans hospitalized with Covid-19 symptoms has risen to more than 123,000, up from about 95,000 a month ago and 50,000 two months ago. The virus is still winning.

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So then if all the precautions are so effective ? Why then does it keep spreading ?

And please do not say it is because people are not taking the precautions, just the other day a report heard on talk radio stated that it is believed some 70% or more of the worlds population are indeed following the precautionary advise.
 
They are not following precautions according to what I see on tv. The beaches in Florida show all those people without masks and next to each other. Right now we all need to stay home, only get out when necessary, keep washing hands and wear our masks. My family and friends in Miami , Louisiana and Texas are doing these things and I am too. We are still going to have the fall out from Christmas and New Years. My family and I are talking on the phone and emailing almost daily. We all agree that I will not fly to see them or visit the ones here in Clear Lake for the time being.
 
We've just gone into Lockdown number 5 today!!... really an extension of lockdown 4.. with the addition of all schools closed including primaries and colleges...

The PM in his address to the nation this evening, said that everyone has a 70 % more chance of catching the new variant of Coronavirus ( which incidentally we're told was first detected in South Africa not the UK) than the first epidemic in the spring and summer of 2020
 
We've just gone into Lockdown number 5 today!!... really an extension of lockdown 4.. with the addition of all schools closed including primaries and colleges...

The PM in his address to the nation this evening, said that everyone has a 70 % more chance of catching the new variant of Coronavirus ( which incidentally we're told was first detected in South Africa not the UK) than the first epidemic in the spring and summer of 2020
There has been a spike in cases in the past 24 hours. This coincides with the schools breaking up for the Christmas holidays. Is there a connection, I wonder? Parents are only too happy for the children to play outside and children don't understand 'social distancing'. It only takes for one to be carrying the virus for it to be transferred and then taken home to the rest of the family.
 
There has been a spike in cases in the past 24 hours. This coincides with the schools breaking up for the Christmas holidays. Is there a connection, I wonder? Parents are only too happy for the children to play outside and children don't understand 'social distancing'. It only takes for one to be carrying the virus for it to be transferred and then taken home to the rest of the family.
Precisely my point. The teachers union have said primary schools must close because the teachers could keep the children distanced in class, but they can't make them distance in the playground, therefore they could take the virus home .. ... so why has Boris and co decided it's perfectly safe for public playgrounds for children to stay open ? ...does the virus know the difference between a school playground and a public one ?
 
I signed up for the vaccine and got a response yesterday saying they will call. On NBC right now is a pic of cars lined up for a long way in Florida. People are parking, sleeping through the night in line to get the shot. I wonder how chaotic the second shot schedule will be. Some second rounds are already changed from the original schedule and no one knows what the impact of that will be. When asked Dr. Faucci said the schedule was based on science meaning in my opinion, is the science is out the window if the shots were not administered as scheduled. South Africa has a new/different strain different from the UK that was just announced on NBC..
 
Viruses and even bacteria mutate it is natural. Is anyone really surprised by this.

We will be chasing these mutations forever and masks are not a good long term reality. perhaps we need a new approach. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I always see those whom say well X% are complying and doing it ............but ask yourself if you need to leave home how many are doing it correctly ?
I see masks everywhere pulled down under the nose then adjusted as people approach so the have been breathing items out on to the outside of mask and then if they talk they disperse those particles that are sitting on mask.

As has been shown when restrictions are lifted there seems to be surges.
So perhaps we should ask how long does a virus last.......i do not think we really know. WE know very little often people are operating on best guesses.

Did you see the photos of New Years celebration in Wuhan? No masks .......nothing. Anyone asking why China's numbers are not more alarming?
Do we feel comfortable with other countries DATA .........................when often there have been issues of how cases/ deaths were counted.

Without ever knowing for sure where it was picked up how long would an asymptomatic person be contagious? 2 weeks- 3 weeks or 3-4 months ....... when do you start counting length of illness after a test ? ...... how do you know if your test was day one into illness or day 20 since you first were exposed?

Does the fact some people as some get over or seem asymptomatic to disease and some people it does a lot of damage..... who is studying why or what is the difference?
Numerous US colleges and universities did studies showing that perhaps as many as 10x number of people who are cases found in testing ..........have or had the virus.
If that is correct a huge portion should have already had it .......maybe asymptomatic but had it.

Early antibody tests were discounted as inaccurate and bad mouthed by some in medical field but I have not heard much about research or development into improved antibody tests ...... If a person had virus with little or no symptoms and now have natural antibodies why would they need a vaccine? other then to just sell the vaccine.
The purpose of vaccine is to trigger an immune response that MANY may have already had naturally.....

If I take a test today but interact with an infected person tomorrow....... on the next day is the result of that test even valid?
Yet we are doing that sort of testing every day ........some places have travel restrictions saying you need to have a negative test .........but how many people could a person possibly be exposed to between test and result.
 
Today I had a CT scan... I was allowed to remove my clothes.. but I wasn't allowed to remove my mask ( although there was only one radiographer in the room who was masked up)... until I was literally on the scanner, and the donut was actually over my head and the n I was instructed to remove the mask.. then again in reverse when the scan was over and before I was permitted to get off the scanning bed.. i had to replace my mask
 
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Viruses and even bacteria mutate it is natural. Is anyone really surprised by this.

We will be chasing these mutations forever and masks are not a good long term reality. perhaps we need a new approach. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I always see those whom say well X% are complying and doing it ............but ask yourself if you need to leave home how many are doing it correctly ?
I see masks everywhere pulled down under the nose then adjusted as people approach so the have been breathing items out on to the outside of mask and then if they talk they disperse those particles that are sitting on mask.

As has been shown when restrictions are lifted there seems to be surges.
So perhaps we should ask how long does a virus last.......i do not think we really know. WE know very little often people are operating on best guesses.

Did you see the photos of New Years celebration in Wuhan? No masks .......nothing. Anyone asking why China's numbers are not more alarming?
Do we feel comfortable with other countries DATA .........................when often there have been issues of how cases/ deaths were counted.

Without ever knowing for sure where it was picked up how long would an asymptomatic person be contagious? 2 weeks- 3 weeks or 3-4 months ....... when do you start counting length of illness after a test ? ...... how do you know if your test was day one into illness or day 20 since you first were exposed?

Does the fact some people as some get over or seem asymptomatic to disease and some people it does a lot of damage..... who is studying why or what is the difference?
Numerous US colleges and universities did studies showing that perhaps as many as 10x number of people who are cases found in testing ..........have or had the virus.
If that is correct a huge portion should have already had it .......maybe asymptomatic but had it.

Early antibody tests were discounted as inaccurate and bad mouthed by some in medical field but I have not heard much about research or development into improved antibody tests ...... If a person had virus with little or no symptoms and now have natural antibodies why would they need a vaccine? other then to just sell the vaccine.
The purpose of vaccine is to trigger an immune response that MANY may have already had naturally.....

If I take a test today but interact with an infected person tomorrow....... on the next day is the result of that test even valid?
Yet we are doing that sort of testing every day ........some places have travel restrictions saying you need to have a negative test .........but how many people could a person possibly be exposed to between test and result.
That kind of clear thinking & logic will get you lots of criticism from the "Blame" crowd. And that crowd has many frustrated members. :giggle:
 
They are not following precautions according to what I see on tv. The beaches in Florida show all those people without masks and next to each other. Right now we all need to stay home, only get out when necessary, keep washing hands and wear our masks. My family and friends in Miami , Louisiana and Texas are doing these things and I am too. We are still going to have the fall out from Christmas and New Years. My family and I are talking on the phone and emailing almost daily. We all agree that I will not fly to see them or visit the ones here in Clear Lake for the time being.


Well, as per this 'expert' the reported 70 + % are indeed following the precautions, and that is sufficient enough to result in a turn around ? And yet it is not happening ?

As for the beach pictures, one was already proven a hoax, as it was discovered to be a video from a holiday weekend 2014 ??
 
Today I had a CT scan... I was allowed to remove my clothes.. but I wasn't allowed to remove my mask ( although there was only one radiographer in the room who was maksed up)... until I was literally on the scanner, and the donut was actually over my head and the n I was instructed to remove the mask.. then again in reverse when the scan was over and before I was permitted to get off the scanning bed.. i had to replace my mask
Yes, that's why I developed a valuable, life-saving protocol for safe eating. The medical community was so impressed, they published it in several medical journals:

1. Pull mask down below mouth.

2. Take bite of food.

3. Immediately pull mask up over nose

4. Repeat
 
Yes, that's why I developed a valuable, life-saving protocol for safe eating. The medical community was so impressed, they published it in several medical journals:

1. Pull mask down below mouth.

2. Take bite of food.

3. Immediately pull mask up over nose

4. Repeat
here, everyone is permitted to not wear a mask while eating or drinking ..but moving from the tabel to for example the toilets, or to the exit , the mask must go back on
 
Yes, that's why I developed a valuable, life-saving protocol for safe eating. The medical community was so impressed, they published it in several medical journals:

1. Pull mask down below mouth.

2. Take bite of food.

3. Immediately pull mask up over nose

4. Repeat
Oh, Win, I'm disappointed in you, you had everything right except for pulling the mask down below mouth.

If you pull the mask up and over your eyes, you won't be able to see all of the nasty looks everyone is giving you when you take a bite of your food. :giggle:
 
Oh, Win, I'm disappointed in you, you had everything right except for pulling the mask down below mouth.

If you pull the mask up and over your eyes, you won't be able to see all of the nasty looks everyone is giving you when you take a bite of your food. :giggle:
Funny you should mention that. My wife and I were watching some movie on Amazon Prime the other day in which a couple decided they weren't going to see each other anymore. We decided that if we ever got to that point, we would wear our masks over our eyes. So even when COVID-19 is only a memory (assuming that really does happen someday), our masks may come in handy. ;)

Tony
 
The beach report I got today was from my brother in Miami. He and his wife just drove around the beaches and observed no masks, and people arm and arm together. They were very upset about it.

Had a birthday call from a good friend of my daughter's the other day. She is a pharmacist with one of the Baylor Hospitals in Dallas. She said half of their hospital is filled with covid 19 patients and they are trying to keep the other half for surgeries, etc not connected to the covid. She worked Christmas Eve, Christmas day, New Years Eve and New Years Day as the need is so great at her hospital! She and my daughter are both pharmacists, with my daughter working retail at CVS and Karen working at hospitals. Karen said their doctors were trying to fill scripts for the covid from the hospital to patients so they could keep some beds for other patients.
 
I had emailed my doctor about the vaccine and I got an email back saying that as soon as they get their supply they would email me to come in. I had tried the hot line number for Houston to get an appt but it had crashed due to so many people trying to call. So thats why I emailed my family doctor. When they tell me to come in , I will be there. Whatever it takes to help me and my loved ones get through this. But I imagine I will be wearing the mask, etc for a long, long time. Its fine with me!
 

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