Those crazy "Global Warming" Nuts.

Trade said:
So I tell you what Camper. I'm gonna go with the smart people on this one. You are free to stick with the dummies.

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"Bookkeeping of the energy flow". Such an elegant summation of the thermodynamics of climate and climate change.
Thanks, Trade.
 

Warrigal said:
No. It is thermodynamics. The second law.

http://www.inderscienceonline.com/doi/abs/10.1504/IJGW.2013.051467?journalCode=ijgw
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Really? Explain this to me. It's supposed to be simple.

Climate modelling is discussed from a thermodynamic point of view, using a control volume approach in which the environment and a superficial layer of the earth form the volume, concentric spherical shell of predominantly gaseous content with a thin layer of the earth. An energy equation that includes anthropogenic heat is suggested based on the mass balance of fossil fuel introduced into the control volume. It is argued that the use of temperature as a climate change indicator should be deemphasized since other thermodynamic coordinates including pressure, wind speed, humidity, etc. are just as important. The concept of Equivalent Rate of Evaporation (ERE) is introduced to better estimate the impact of enthalpy of vaporization on climate change. This approach offers a more lucid understanding of the climate model, with indubitably more accurate results.

One more time. Give me the historical temperature record of where you live for the last 100 years and tell me how much of an increase in temperature took place over that time.

I mean. Bring the theory home to where you live and find out for yourself.
 
I will not comply. I have wasted too many words explaining the physics and chemistry of global warming and I'm not about to jump through any hoops for your gratification, especially because you are only asking because you want an argument.

If you really are interested in factual information, try here for Sydney

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data-services/station-data.shtml

However, if you are serious it I recommend that you look up global mean temperatures which I am sure you can find if you try.
 
Warrigal said:
I will not comply. I have wasted too many words explaining the physics and chemistry of global warming and I'm not about to jump through any hoops for your gratification, especially because you are only asking because you want an argument.
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:yeah:
 
Warrigal said:
I will not comply. I have wasted too many words explaining the physics and chemistry of global warming and I'm not about to jump through any hoops for your gratification, especially because you are only asking because you want an argument.

If you really are interested in factual information, try here for Sydney

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data-services/station-data.shtml

However, if you are serious it I recommend that you look up global mean temperatures which I am sure you can find if you try.
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I am serious. You are wise to back off when you produce a website and then don't understand what it says.

Global mean temperature. Which source should I use? The IPCC.
 
Warrigal said:
I will not comply. I have wasted too many words explaining the physics and chemistry of global warming and I'm not about to jump through any hoops for your gratification, especially because you are only asking because you want an argument.

If you really are interested in factual information, try here for Sydney
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Factual information from the IPCC. The world body. The temperature for the last 100 years has increased .74 degrees C. Less than one degree. That's well within norms from history.

Now why would Sydney be any different? It's global temperature we are talking about. We are talking about increase in temperatures.

If you can't produce scientific evidence of your claims then I'm afraid you are just working on hearsay evidence.
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Camper6 said:
Now why would Sydney be any different? It's global temperature we are talking about. We are talking about increase in temperatures.
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For Pete's sake Camper! You asked about historical temperature records of where I live for the last 100 years. That is why I provided a link to our Board of Meteorology. If you really want the information you will find it there if you take the time to dig deep enough.

Camper6 said:
One more time. Give me the historical temperature record of where you live for the last 100 years and tell me how much of an increase in temperature took place over that time.
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This is precisely why I'm not bothering to respond to your posts. Your posts have no logical sequencing and it is a complete waste of time to respond to your demands for proof because you never really read them. I don't read yours all that often either so this is another reason why conversing with you is not very productive.
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Warrigal said:
Camper6 said:
For Pete's sake Camper! You asked about historical temperature records of where I live for the last 100 years. That is why I provided a link to our Board of Meteorology. If you really want the information you will find it there if you take the time to dig deep enough.
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I looked. I dug. It's not there. But if you are going to give a link to prove something then check it out yourself first and then provide the information.


This is precisely why I'm not bothering to respond to your posts. Your posts have no logical sequencing and it is a complete waste of time to respond to your demands for proof because you never really read them. I don't read yours all that often either so this is another reason why conversing with you is not very productive.
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It's your choice. All I do is copy over your posts and quote them and respond to them. I don't make stuff up. I use scientific methods if I don't agree with what you have to say. That's nonsense when you say I dont read your posts. I copy them over and respond to them.
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Warrigal said:
:lofl: @ Trade.
I tips me lid to you, Sir. I think you just won this argument.
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As usual. You missed the point.

Johnson said Gore pays about $22,000 in annual electric bills for his Nashville home, not including $432 a month he pays for carbon credits, consisting of money that goes to the Tennessee Valley Authority to fund alternative energy initiatives.

"You've got to ring the bell of hypocrisy here," says Johnson. "It's like a religious leader cheating on his wife."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...-get-criticism-an-inconvenient-sequel-1026228
 
Ok. I confess that the point passed me by completely.

To help me understand better, please explain it to me in great detail, with links to prove everything that you refer to. In particular, I would like to see Al Gore's power bills for the past 20 years to see whether he has done anything to lower his emissions. Please provide proof that he has not purchased solar panels or carbon offsets. As a point of comparison, could you dig up similar facts and figures relating to Disneyland, the NY stock exchange and a popular casino in Las Vegas?
 
Warrigal said:
Ok. I confess that the point passed me by completely.

To help me understand better, please explain it to me in great detail, with links to prove everything that you refer to. In particular, I would like to see Al Gore's power bills for the past 20 years to see whether he has done anything to lower his emissions. Please provide proof that he has not purchased solar panels or carbon offsets. As a point of comparison, could you dig up similar facts and figures relating to Disneyland, the NY stock exchange and a popular casino in Las Vegas?[/QUOTE


I'm not going to do that. Since you are a proponent of the global warming theory I am more interested in the increase in temperature in the last 100 years where you live. Where I live. No change. In fact gotten cooler although if you asked people they would claim it's warmer. See there's a big, wait, huge difference in facts and perception and memory. People remember huge snowbanks. The fact is that they now cart the huge snowbanks away. There are more vehicles. The roads have to be kept clean. The facilities are readily available.

For instance now the claim is that birds like storks don't migrate any more because the winters are getting warmer.

The facts are that they hang out at the city dumps now and don't have to migrate to survive.

The winters are just as cold but there's more food available. That's all it takes to survive in the winter. Food.
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