Thought Police in The UK??

I don't think anyone has a problem seeing through it. The praying protests are really just an attempt to prevent the slinking off to the charnel houses in the dark to escape public shaming.
 

dilettante said:
The video made it pretty clear, but you'd actually have to view it.
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Many people ignore videos posted to message boards unless they're under five minutes or so.

Taking the time post a summary with salient points along with the video, posting a transcript or a link to a written source backing the video leads to better dialog than just posting a video link.
 
Fail not watching a video of your choosing? I hardly think so. I finished school decades ago. Did not fail there either. You're too full of yourself. Take Annie's suggestion.
 
I looked those Lotus Eater guys up in Wikipedia and the one guy, Carl Benjamin (the guy with the beard) has a pretty distasteful history of homophobic comments, feminist hate mongering and joking about rape and generally speaking, seems an unsavoury sort of person. He was also accused on at least a couple occasions of harassment and was banned by Patreon for violating their rules against hate speech. So considering that their podcast has been identified as an ultra right leaning arrangement, it seems like their commentary in the above video, needs to be viewed under that consideration. Carl Benjamin - Wikipedia
 
So you reject the messenger and ignore the message. I see nothing "ultra right wing" in what they were saying. If anything it seems pretty centrist.

But you seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to discredit the entire thing out of hand.
 
I freely admit I don't watch videos posted on here - I do go into links and read information as I did in OP of this one

if you want to digress into foreign market interference in UK, I think that is a separate topic for a separate thread.
 
January said:
if you want to digress into foreign market interference in UK, I think that is a separate topic for a separate thread.
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It's relevant because the market interference was entirely motivated by and targeted to expand censorship and thought policing.
 
dilettante said:
So you reject the messenger and ignore the message. I see nothing "ultra right wing" in what they were saying. If anything it seems pretty centrist.

But you seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to discredit the entire thing out of hand.
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I just did what anyone should do when offered someone else's opinion, look at their actions in the past. The one guy seems like a pretty nasty individual and has said some things along the way of his career, that I think are pretty unpleasant. So I'm not interested in hearing more from him in particular and my guess is, he's not hanging around there with people who are much nicer. And it wasn't me who said they are 'ultra right wing', it was a remark made by some political analysts of him and two other individuals when they joined UKIP. That opinion was mirrored by numerous others, news outlets, academics, etc.

But basically, I don't want to listen to anyone who thinks it's empowering to rape victims, to tell rape jokes. You're entitled to listen to whomever you want.
 
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dilettante said:
Brits are in another panic. Turns out that American companies are done with foreign interference in their markets. Things are getting tough on the island, and it isn't the time for puffing out one's chest and thumping it.

Podcast excerpt:

The UK is About to Regulate Itself Off the Internet

It'll be interesting to see who pays the Danegeld and who just cuts the cord. Despite Brexit you can still smell the fishy hand of the EU in this. Unsurprisingly it's motivated by political Derangement.
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Which part of the "Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024" (DMCC), which appears to be the focus of the video, do you take issue with, in the context of, "Thought Police in The UK??"

Much of the video seems to consist of Carl Benjamin commenting on, and giving his opinions about, the comments and opinions of Ashley Rindsberg, a South African-born American writer and senior editor at Pirate Wires. Carl is reading out Ashley's article from the Pirate Wires website.

At one point in the video, Carl Benjamin appears unable to recall Ashley Rindsberg’s name, relying on one of the other presenters to remind him. He then mistakenly refers to Ashley (a male writer) as "she." He does this several times.

It seems I’m reading a post about your opinions of a man in a video sharing his opinions about an American writer’s opinions of the consequences of DMCC. Can you see why there might not be much interest in engaging with this?

Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2024/13/contents
 
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Buckeye said:
I ran across this article on another site I frequent. Sadly, I believe this is really happening in the UK. Here's an excerpt from the article:

A British Army veteran was convicted of expressing “disapproval of abortion.” This man spent 20 years proudly serving his nation. Yet, the Public Spaces Protection Order has deemed him a criminal for silently praying outside an abortion facility. He has been conditionally discharged and forced to pay a $12,000 (9,000 pound) fine for daring to pray in public.

The above video shows how disillusioned the authorities have become. “What is the nature of your prayer?” the police asked, to which the man replied he was praying for his deceased son. He was then told that he was praying in a “censorship zone,” where even your THOUGHTS can be criminalized.

Here's a link to the entire article:
Silent Prayer Prohibited
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Good grief. I tried getting through that hysterical article, but it's the same old propaganda from the extreme right.

I didn't see mention of the name of the guy you mention. I did see the name "Isabel Vaughan-Spruce" . She was charged with "breaking a Public Space Protection Order". She could have moved out of the public space - which is shared by all, and been fine. You can pray if you want. But in cases that are highly emotive - and if you know anything about the abortion debate, you'll know what that means - then local authorities have to have policies that satisfy ALL people.

That article is a disgrace. I'm not going to go through all of it, I'd get banned. But seriously, I could hear my brain cells dying while reading it. I comment only because, by allowing it to stand on the forum, it must be okay to say what one really thinks.
 
Buckeye said:
I ran across this article on another site I frequent. Sadly, I believe this is really happening in the UK. Here's an excerpt from the article:

A British Army veteran was convicted of expressing “disapproval of abortion.” This man spent 20 years proudly serving his nation. Yet, the Public Spaces Protection Order has deemed him a criminal for silently praying outside an abortion facility. He has been conditionally discharged and forced to pay a $12,000 (9,000 pound) fine for daring to pray in public.

The above video shows how disillusioned the authorities have become. “What is the nature of your prayer?” the police asked, to which the man replied he was praying for his deceased son. He was then told that he was praying in a “censorship zone,” where even your THOUGHTS can be criminalized.

Here's a link to the entire article:
Silent Prayer Prohibited
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Yes, I'm afraid the "thought police" are everywhere now. Don't think this, don't think that. It must be driving a lot of people crazy. I don't pray in public but don't see why anyone can't. I thought that we are free to think what we want but apparently not
 
Ruthanne said:
I don't pray in public but don't see why anyone can't. I thought that we are free to think what we want but apparently not
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Yes people can pray in public - anywhere in public that they should be in the first place, they can pray.

They can't pray or be in public not praying, in places they should not be - like in places which have to be clear of people for whatever reason.

Such as the entrance to medical centres
 
January said:
Yes people can pray in public - anywhere in public that they should be in the first place, they can pray.

They can't pray or be in public not praying, in places they should not be - like in places which have to be clear of people for whatever reason.

Such as the entrance to medical centres
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Oh I didn't know medical entrances are 🚫 banned. Don't know why it hurts to pray there. I'm sure if you are praying for patients it would probably be ok.
 
Ruthanne said:
Oh I didn't know medical entrances are 🚫 banned. Don't know why it hurts to pray there. I'm sure if you are praying for patients it would probably be ok.
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I suppose congregating at a medical centre entrance would be considered obstructive, especially in the event of a fire, or partly obstructing people from entering and leaving.

On a different note, imagine going to a medical centre with a serious complaint; to be firstly greeted by people praying at, in, or around the entrance. How off-putting might that be?

Many hospitals in the UK have prayer rooms and chapels for patients, staff, and visitors for that kind of thing. Places inclusive of all faiths. Somewhere quiet to pray and reflect. A busy entrance just does not do it for most people. It might leave some thinking the people at the entrance have brought an agender along with them
 
Ruthanne said:
Oh I didn't know medical entrances are 🚫 banned. Don't know why it hurts to pray there. I'm sure if you are praying for patients it would probably be ok.
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Because it's not about praying, it's about harassment. It's about the cat-calls. It's about the insults. Some of these places have been firebombed, and people assaulted. They therefore need protection. If you think of it simply in terms of praying, then you're not really seeing the big picture.
 
VaughanJB said:
Because it's not about praying, it's about harassment. It's about the cat-calls. It's about the insults. Some of these places have been firebombed, and people assaulted. They therefore need protection. If you think of it simply in terms of praying, then you're not really seeing the big picture.
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Well then hypothetically speaking I see nothing wrong with ONLY praying, just like that was all I said, so go get a drink on me🤣
 
In my opinion, this has a simple solution. The AP article, only one I would trust, says these protests are prohibited within 150 meters (164 yards). If you have enough faith to pray, you know God can hear your prayers whether you are within 150 meters (164 yards) or 1,000s of miles away. So you can silently pray somewhere else and nobody can do anything about it.
 
VaughanJB said:
Yeah, I don't think you understood my post, but whatever works for you. :D
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I understood, and I was just looking for you to understand my post. I actually did not read much and only commented on what I read. I don't usually post in this forum section because it's too volatile for me. And I'm not referring to you when I say that, I'm referring to much stuff I've read long ago in this forum. So, to each his/her own. I will keep to the easy sections, I have too much hard stuff going on in my life now to deal with anything else.
 

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