Thought Police in The UK??

No he wasn't. The area around clinics is not somewhere he should be, there is a law about the space being kept clear and no reason he should be allowed to break that.
The right of people to attend a clinic without others in the vicinity ' silently praying' isn't my opinion, it is a law.
No he shouldn't be allowed to be there against the law

Other countries have their own laws - whatever is in the first amendment in US doesn't count for anything anywhere else.
 

January said:
No he wasn't. The area around clinics is not somewhere he should be, there is a law about the space being kept clear and no reason he should be allowed to break that.
The right of people to attend a clinic without others in the vicinity ' silently praying' isn't my opinion, it is a law.
No he shouldn't be allowed to be there against the law

Other countries have their own laws - whatever is in the first amendment in US doesn't count for anything anywhere else.
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True dat! And that's what sets us Americans apart. We value our individual freedoms, and it is clear others do not. What is sad is that so many think the line is drawn outside that abortion clinic, but it isn't. The line will keep moving until you have zero free speech rights.

We're done here.
 
Buckeye said:
And for what I hope is the last time, he WAS where he should be allowed to be, and was apparently intending to challenge the law that said he couldn't be their to silently pray.
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He was just angry he couldn't control the woman who aborted a fetus, oh, sorry, His Son.
 

AnnieA said:
It's a shame the OP made this about abortion. The UK's war against free speech is much broader than this one issue.
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I tried several times to point out that this is a free speech issue, not an abortion issue, but folks gonna do what they gonna do.

My Post 10
I don't have a dog in the abortion fight. My issue is telling me that I cannot send up a silent Prayer without the fear of arrest and unlimited fines. And please don't be so naive to think that the right to prayer will only be limited at abortion clinics. That's just the nose of the camel.

My Post 42
Again, I'm not on either side of the abortion debate. This is 1st amendment right for Americans.
 
The UK is a mess today, like many English-speaking US protectorates. I don't read other languages so I can't say as much about the state of them. But we've never made their protection and free access to our consumer markets contingent on suppressing their post-monarchical socialist authoritarian tendencies.

So we can only expect just so much of them. The rot is pretty deep there, they haven't had our natural advantages.

You can't sum it up in a soundbite. This video just scratches the surface and the discussion runs an hour and a half.

 
Magna-Carta said:
What kept crossing my mind, is why would someone repeatedly travel from one city to another, during the month when the Public Space Protection Order (PSPO) was put in place at the BPAS clinic in Bournemouth, to pray for his aborted child. Was it truly about his aborted child of 20 years ago. Or in reality a silent protest regarding the nature of the clinic. Or I wonder if it could have been his way of challenging the concept of the PSPO.

What someone says of a situation vs his actual reason isn't always the same. I think only the man in question knows what he was really trying to do, or to provoke.
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Some people are extremists in their beliefs and can't accept that others don't think the same probably.
 
Buckeye said:
I tried several times to point out that this is a free speech issue, not an abortion issue, but folks gonna do what they gonna do.

My Post 10
I don't have a dog in the abortion fight. My issue is telling me that I cannot send up a silent Prayer without the fear of arrest and unlimited fines. And please don't be so naive to think that the right to prayer will only be limited at abortion clinics. That's just the nose of the camel.

My Post 42
Again, I'm not on either side of the abortion debate. This is 1st amendment right for Americans.
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Except there's no law that you can't 'pray silently' anywhere else. So it's not a first amendment issue. It was protecting the rights and freedoms of women to exercise bodily autonomy without being harassed (even silently) by people who don't agree with their rights.

And people in other countries do value our rights to free speech, we just have laws against harassment, hate speech, etc., and tend to respect the rights of others. Well most respect that right and that extends to not being the source of harassment. Like with our 'covid convoy' for example. Most of us had no problem with those truckers having their protest but it became an issue when they decided to camp for weeks outside the homes and businesses of others and impair their right to living a peaceful life in their own homes and running their businesses. If they'd had their protest, made a point and then gone home, no problem.
 
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Sunny said:
Sounds to me as if the "silent prayer" is not being prohibited, it's the attempt to harass and intimidate women at an abortion clinic. After all, how can anyone monitor someone else's thoughts?

Sounds like an Orwellian attempt to rewrite the English language to me, in order to further an agenda.
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From the article in my post #1:
Censorship zones were enacted in England and Wales on October 31, 2024. The zones are deemed “safe access zones” or “buffer zones,” and often span 150 meters around abortion clinics and hospitals. Protesting in any manner, handing out abortion alternative pamphlets, and any form of prayer – including silent prayer – is strictly prohibited. Scotland and Northern Ireland also implemented similar zones this October.
 
Buckeye said:
Censorship zones were enacted in England and Wales on October 31, 2024. The zones are deemed “safe access zones” or “buffer zones,” and often span 150 meters around abortion clinics and hospitals. Protesting in any manner, handing out abortion alternative pamphlets, and any form of prayer – including silent prayer – is strictly prohibited. Scotland and Northern Ireland also implemented similar zones this October.
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I thought you were done here. :rolleyes:

Correct+ in Australia too - 'silent prayer' isnt an excuse to be somewhere you shouldn't be.

He can silently pray anywhere else - or even at the centre if that is genuinely important to him (hint- it isnt - he is just using that as an excuse) just not at the times the centre is open.

Doesnt matter what the law is in US - he has to obey the law of the country he is in.

First amendment rights for americans or how great america's freedoms are is beside the point.

Fortunately other countries value the rights of people to attend medical centres without any form of harrassment.
 
{shrug} just correcting a misconception. As far as it being the law, this happened on Day 1, and the man they arrested was clearly intending to be arrested so that the law could be challenged in the courts. Bad laws get passed and this is what it takes to get them off the books. At least that's how it works here.
 
Still posting after you were done?

Yes the man was testing the waters not genuinely praying at all - on that we agree

I'm glad he got fined and found the law does apply to him.

It is a good law too - people should be free t o attend medical clinics without any form of harrassment, including 'silent prayer'

how anything works in US is beside the point.
 
afaik, I can post as many times as I like. Whenever I like. Sorry that's a problem for you.

And let me say, that if anyone is feeling harassed by a silent prayer, no matter where they are or what they are doing, I find that telling on multiple levels, and certainly classifies them as the most delicate of snowflakes.

God Bless America!
 
Isn't the King called The Defender Of The Faith? What does He have to say about the arrest of the silent prayer man?
 
Magna-Carta said:
It seems to me that these days there are many News & Reporting outlets that are designed to appeal to the hard of thinking. Other News & Reporting outlets are available, but many don't want to read them in order to receive a balance.

The clinic in Bournemouth, part of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, was receiving daily protests, including praying & vigils, which they said were intimidating toward the women who went there and toward their staff.

Bournemouth Council held a public consultation regarding this issue. They then imposed a Public Space Protection Order (PSPO) on Ophir Rd where the clinic is located. The then temporary Order included no assembly in front of the clinic, including no prayer vigils, as was happening previous. This Order is granted as part of the Anti-social Behaviour Act. After the PSPO was put in place protests significantly reduced, and for the most part the women and staff were then able to go about their business without intimidation.

Note that the Order mentioned was for the hours between 7 am to 7 pm. As far as I'm aware, It didn't apply outside of those hours, when there was no one at the clinic to intimidate.

Adam Smith-Connor then decided to write to Bournemouth Council to let them know he will be traveling from Southampton to Bournemouth to pray outside the clinic. He did this on several occasions, to pray for his child that was aborted 20 years ago. It was reported that on the last occasion, he was asked to move on to outside of the restriction order area. After 40 minutes or so, after not leaving, he was arrested.

There was no Order preventing him from praying there outside of the restricted hours, but he chose to repeatedly challenge the specific parameters of the PSPO, and lost. There are millions of other places in England where he could have prayed for his aborted child, privately or publically, but he chose to repeatedly test the lawful PSPO, and lost. Bigger fool him.

As for the £9,000 fine he received, that some articles mention, this seems to have nothing to do with a fine, but were his court costs. A PSPO has a fixed penalty fine of £100.

In response then to, "Thought Police in The UK??". Thought Police my arse.
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Thanks for the rest of the story. As always one must consider the source of "information" before lending value to said information.
 
Brits are in another panic. Turns out that American companies are done with foreign interference in their markets. Things are getting tough on the island, and it isn't the time for puffing out one's chest and thumping it.

Podcast excerpt:

The UK is About to Regulate Itself Off the Internet

It'll be interesting to see who pays the Danegeld and who just cuts the cord. Despite Brexit you can still smell the fishy hand of the EU in this. Unsurprisingly it's motivated by political Derangement.
 
Buckeye said:
afaik, I can post as many times as I like. Whenever I like. Sorry that's a problem for you.

And let me say, that if anyone is feeling harassed by a silent prayer, no matter where they are or what they are doing, I find that telling on multiple levels, and certainly classifies them as the most delicate of snowflakes.

God Bless America!
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Of course you can.

Is just amusing when somebody says " I'm done " or "that is my last post about it" - and then posts umpteen more.:ROFLMAO:

And yes, people do feel intimidated by others silently lining up at entrances etc to medical clinics - as somebody mentioned in a link upthread
Exactly why the law was instigated.

You can make derogatory remarks about delicate snowflakes if you like - but since you aren't a woman attending for a termination, I dont think you can speak for how they feel.

I find it telling that you are defending his action.

And that you are trying to make it about America. :rolleyes:
 
Brookswood said:
Isn't the King called The Defender Of The Faith? What does He have to say about the arrest of the silent prayer man?
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Brookswood said:
Another reason to be thankful for the wisdom of our Founding Patriots.
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The king will have nothing to say about it because he never comments on legal matters.

Another reason to be thankful laws are enacted to protect vulnerable people.

I think it is a good law and I'm glad he got fined and found the law does apply to him and anyone he wanted to follow him.
 
dilettante said:
Brits are in another panic. Turns out that American companies are done with foreign interference in their markets. Things are getting tough on the island, and it isn't the time for puffing out one's chest and thumping it.
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Who was puffing their chest and thumping it??

Except perhaps those who made irelevant comments about how great the Founding Fathers are.

Not sure what foreign interference in markets has to do with topic though.
 
Buckeye said:
afaik, I can post as many times as I like. Whenever I like. Sorry that's a problem for you.

And let me say, that if anyone is feeling harassed by a silent prayer, no matter where they are or what they are doing, I find that telling on multiple levels, and certainly classifies them as the most delicate of snowflakes.

God Bless America!
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It's only 'telling' that people don't like to be harassed by individuals who feel like they have a right to force by intimidation, others into living by beliefs they don't happen to share. If you want to pray, and if your God is all powerful and listening to you and intervening as a result of your prayer, surely he can do his work of changing hearts (at a distance) even if you aren't harassing someone outside a clinic. So what is the purpose of praying outside that clinic if not for the purpose of intimidation? Does the prayer feel that God needs that particular kind of help with accomplishing a goal?
 
January said:
Not sure what foreign interference in markets has to do with topic though.
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The video made it pretty clear, but you'd actually have to view it.

It's about authoritarianism and its censorship of speech and thought, which threatens the UK with even faster decline into 3rd world status as they sever ties with the 1st world.
 

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