To vaccinate or not to vaccinate that should not be a question,

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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The measle outbreak has some presidential candidates caught in a difficult position when it comes to supporting parental rights versus the rights of the government. Clearly it exposed the fallacy of their inchoate mantra. Surely vaccinations should be required for all children with few exceptions, and surely it would be nice for us to agree on this matter...
 

I agree that vaccinations should be required especially for everyone who crosses our border. I'm sure this measles outbreak came across our southern border but our government doesn't want to upset those folks hence the sudden outcry against anti-vaxers.
 

The vaccinations can be obtained free under certain programs either by a doctor or at a clinic. Not wanting to deal much with the medical profession any more I have attended clinics for low or no income clinics and found that the poor are well provided for, even dental work...
 
I disagree rkunsaw, the measles epidemic is a direct result of the anti vax movement which has been growing in this country for a number of years. As a result a significant number of children in many parts of the country are not vaccinated for measles and a disease which a few years ago was essentially eradicated has been allowed to re-emerge. The percent of vaccinated children in most central American countries is higher than in the United States and unless you can point to some reports that show that some of the measles cases are among recent illegal immigrant children, I believe your claim is without merit.
 
Absolutely FALSE rkunsaw... as Josiah09 so eloquently put it. That said.. and I have said this before. My individual right to swing my arm ends where someone else's nose begins. For this reason, I believe vaccinations should be mandatory to enter public schools. There are children who are immunosuppressed, young babies an adults who may not survive what we once called childhood illnesses. As a society, we need to protect these members. Especially since the objections to vaccines has been debunked over and over.
 
QuickSilver said:
Absolutely FALSE rkunsaw... as Josiah09 so eloquently put it. That said.. and I have said this before. My individual right to swing my arm ends where someone else's nose begins. For this reason, I believe vaccinations should be mandatory to enter public schools. There are children who are immunosuppressed, young babies an adults who may not survive what we once called childhood illnesses. As a society, we need to protect these members. Especially since the objections to vaccines has been debunked over and over.
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Agree. There was an epidemic of measles in Wales and it was the result of parents believing an idiot doctor here who claimed the MMR jab caused autism.
 
QuickSilver said:
Absolutely FALSE rkunsaw... as Josiah09 so eloquently put it. That said.. and I have said this before. My individual right to swing my arm ends where someone else's nose begins. For this reason, I believe vaccinations should be mandatory to enter public schools. There are children who are immunosuppressed, young babies an adults who may not survive what we once called childhood illnesses. As a society, we need to protect these members. Especially since the objections to vaccines has been debunked over and over.
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Also agree, this is just another example of the idiocy that the extremes are causing in this country. Where is the common sense?[h=3][/h]
 
Jackie22 said:
Also agree, this is just another example of the idiocy that the extremes are causing in this country. Where is the common sense?
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Well, It seems you are all so eager to protect the illegals you failed to read the first line of my first post. Quoting me: "I agree that vaccinations should be required"

I also agree with those who say measles and other diseases are coming here from outside our borders.
 
rkunsaw said:
Well, It seems you are all so eager to protect the illegals you failed to read the first line of my first post. Quoting me: "I agree that vaccinations should be required"

I also agree with those who say measles and other diseases are coming here from outside our borders.
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No one is disputing that you said that... What we are calling BS on is your false and unsubstantiated assertion that undocumented workers brought measles here.
 
rkunsaw said:
Well, It seems you are all so eager to protect the illegals you failed to read the first line of my first post. Quoting me: "I agree that vaccinations should be required"

I also agree with those who say measles and other diseases are coming here from outside our borders.
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You're right rkunsaw, I didn't read your post carefully. I apologize.
 
I don't think we'll ever agree on it-the debate between personal choice and public good has raged on since the founding of our country.

When it comes to vaccinations, I think as long as the herd immunity is kept at eradication levels it's not an issue to allow parents to decide. However, so much misinformation has been spread about vaccinations, and so many people have bought into the misinformation that we've allowed measles to make a resurgence. At this point it's time to tighten the requirements so it doesn't become an epidemic.

I also think that a lot of childbearing age people have never lived through a real outbreak of a childhood disease and don't understand the devastation it can wreak. I well remember polio and how it kept our school closed for a couple weeks somewhere around 8th or 9th grade. We were ok on the farm, but kids in town were sequestered inside their homes for a couple weeks at a time to avoid the disease. I well remember kids coming to school with leg braces, and a couple of them dying from polio. I also remember what a blessing the polio vaccine was to parents everywhere-there was never any talk of not getting kids vaccinated.

We have friends that are a younger couple with three kids (10, 8 and 5 if I remember correctly). They elected not to vaccinate their home schooled kids based on some science that has been proven wrong several times, yet she continues to believe that vaccines are somehow very bad. Again, they are young enough not to have experienced a devastating, deadly outbreak.
 
This is true... This generation has not lived through outbreaks. I remember polio. I remember kids coming back to school in braces.. and some never coming back at all. I remember my mother panicking if I seem less active of sluggish... and turning my head and asking if my neck hurt me... the look of fear on her face. I remember standing in line at a local 1st National Bank branch to receive the first vaccine... the line stretched for blocks.

I also remember having measles.. I remember being kept in a dark room for 2 weeks and being very sick. I remember the German Measles.. shorter duration but just as sick. I remember mumps.. and feeling very sick and unable to swallow.. AND chicken pox... horrible and itchy. and I still have some pox scars.
 
QuickSilver said:
This is true... This generation has not lived through outbreaks. I remember polio. I remember kids coming back to school in braces.. and some never coming back at all. I remember my mother panicking if I seem less active of sluggish... and turning my head and asking if my neck hurt me... the look of fear on her face. I remember standing in line at a local 1st National Bank branch to receive the first vaccine... the line stretched for blocks.

I also remember having measles.. I remember being kept in a dark room for 2 weeks and being very sick. I remember the German Measles.. shorter duration but just as sick. I remember mumps.. and feeling very sick and unable to swallow.. AND chicken pox... horrible and itchy. and I still have some pox scars.
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I remember having both measles and chicken pox. And I remember being kept in a dark room. These parents don't seem to know what measles can do to a child. And eradicating chicken pox would mean no shingles in later life.
 
Ameriscot said:
I remember having both measles and chicken pox. And I remember being kept in a dark room. These parents don't seem to know what measles can do to a child. And eradicating chicken pox would mean no shingles in later life.
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Yes.. measles can attack hearing and eyesight.. It can wreak havoc on a developing fetus if the mother becomes infected. These young fools don't know what they are doing. Perhaps their child will survive a bout with these diseases... most of us did... BUT many did not. My SIL has a limp from having had a mild case of polio.
 
Josiah09 said:
I disagree rkunsaw, the measles epidemic is a direct result of the anti vax movement which has been growing in this country for a number of years. As a result a significant number of children in many parts of the country are not vaccinated for measles and a disease which a few years ago was essentially eradicated has been allowed to re-emerge. The percent of vaccinated children in most central American countries is higher than in the United States and unless you can point to some reports that show that some of the measles cases are among recent illegal immigrant children, I believe your claim is without merit.
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Just another effort to demonize the government (read the President). Also I fail to see any supporting evidence of his "I'm sure" comment.
 
When I was very young many parents let their children play with other kids who had measles, Chicken Pox, Mumps etc. I had them all.
 
I think most of us did.... but the real reason for wide spread vaccination is not merely to prevent kids from getting those diseases, but to prevent those who cannot receive the vaccinations for various reasons... ie young babies, and immunosuppressed. These are the ones that are most often develop serious sequelae from contracting them... and sometimes cannot even survive them. That's the meaning of "herd immunity". Not vaccinating a healthy child could end up killing a not so healthy individual.
 
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