Today Show host 84 year old mom is missing in Arizona-'concerning circumstances'

Born_To_Lose said:
I haven’t been following this case. I don’t find the mother of a celebrity anymore important than that of any one else.
There are over 2000 children that go missing each day, yet I have not seen one picture on TV or any mention on the radio regarding a missing child. It is true that many of these children do turn up rather quickly, but nonetheless, many have gone missing and still are missing. There are over 90,000 missing and active cases of missing children in the U.S.
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I think the reason this case is interesting is because we get to follow the progress and science of the authorities, otherwise much of what they do is hidden from us.
 

It turns out that the video from surveillance cameras wasn't stored in the cloud. Nancy Guthrie apparently didn't have a subscription service that would have uploaded the video to the server, so when the camera was removed by the perpetrators, the video went with it.
 

Sunkist said:
If that's the way they work, they're rather useless, aren't they?
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Not really. I have a camera in front of my house, but it's mainly to act as a deterrent since it's in plain view and there's no mistaking it for anything other than a security camera. A prospective burglar doesn't know that I don't have a subscription. Just the fact that it's there will make them think twice about trying to break into my house. I also have a giant German Shephard dog, which is even more of a deterrent!

Somebody ran into a car down the block and drove off in what was a hit-and-run accident. The owner of the car saw that I had a surveillance camera and asked me to see if I had video of the vehicle driving away and sure enough, it was on the MicroSD card in the camera. It turned out to be a commercial truck. The video showed it tearing down the street towards my house and skidding to a stop, backing up, and then driving off -- nearly hitting another car.

So it was pretty useful in that case.

But in the case of Nancy Guthrie, it doesn't make any sense that she didn't have a subscription. In that case, like you said, it was rather useless.
 
RambleTamble said:
But in the case of Nancy Guthrie, it doesn't make any sense that she didn't have a subscription. In that case, like you said, it was rather useless.
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Like us, she didn’t expect to be kidnapped. We’ve never had any need to go back and look past the last 20. If we do see something, it can be saved offline. Storage isn’t free and there’s no logical reason to need it, why pay.
 
This case reminds me that many Indigenous women go missing every year, yet only cases like those of attractive blonde women like Gabby Petito and Sherri Pepino receive coverage.

While exact, real-time figures for 2025 are not finalized due to underreporting, data indicates over 5,800 American Indian and Alaska Native females were reported missing in recent years, with over 4,200 cases remaining unsolved. Data often shows a high percentage, up to 74%, involve children, according to U.S. House Committee on Appropriations reports.
 
Ronni said:
Poor woman 😢

“She cannot walk more than 50 yards on her own and is reliant on life-saving medication, according to cops.

The hunt is a race against time because the missing woman needs medication, lack of which for 24 hours could prove fatal”
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And she was living by herself in a large home? Doesn't sound too sensible to me. To me, I certainly don't wish her to be harmed, but as someone else mentioned previously, there are children missing everyday. This is bs all this air time spent on a journalist's mother only.
 
To be honest, I’m really surprised that Mrs. Guthrie’s disappearance has gotten so much attention.

In fact, the vast majority of elderly missing person cases only make it into local newspapers, like tossing a small stone into a lake that barely creates a ripple.

I just hope Guthrie can get home safely, so her family doesn’t have to suffer, and so society’s resources can be used elsewhere.
 
Naturally said:
I think this was a crime of retribution/retaliation or the crime of predator. The lack of communication is telling.
Not only that but the scene inside the home indicated a homicide investigation.
Maybe the perp(s) knew there was to be no need for communication or demands.

As far as I can tell, there was no signs of a forced entry.
So there was planning. Get inside in an orderly and quiet fashion ... disable/disconnect the doorbell camera at 1:47.
This wasn't a hasty crime of opportunity. This was planned for the middle of the night.
The camera software suggested something moving in front of it at 2:12. Unknown whether human or animal.
Ms Guthrie had no security subscription or monitored home security system. Video was not saved to the cloud.
At 2:28 her heart monitor app disconnected from her phone. Likely that is when she was removed from her home.

How could someone have gained entry without forced entry in the middle of the night?
Did she know the perp(s) and let them in?
She had arrived home about 9:48 the previous evening.
At about 9:50, her garage door opened and closed.
Did someone have a universal garage door opener, guess the code, get in and found a door unlocked from the garage?
I might imagine someone cruising a neighborhood to see which garage doors they could open with a device for hacking.
... and found one.

Unfortunately, I think we may never know what happened, unless someone makes a mistake, caught in a similar case or gets ratted out.

Apparently she didn't take home security seriously at 84, with limited mobility and living alone. Sad. Very sad.

All that said, one thing that's tripping me up is the fact that the perp(s) removed her from her home but there was apparently a homicide scene inside. Why remove her if she she was deceased? And if she was alive when she left her home, why is law enforcement treating her home as a homicide scene? So many unanswered questions.

EDIT: Well now I see a report that law enforcement handling the investigation is not saying whether there was or wasn't signs of forced entry. It's one of the details they are not commenting on at this time. And the investigative narrative seems to indicate that the opening and closing of her garage door was done by her although they didn't specifically say that. So maybe never mind. Dunno.
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I don't think there was a homicide scene inside. The blood drops were on the front porch. A homicide scene is very messy, usually. If there were a homicide scene, I don't think the police would be hoping to find her alive. For one thing, a homicide is an unlawful death.

I think some of the detectives assigned to the case are there because of their experience and to add to the brains coming up with ideas and bodies looking for the woman.
 
I'm still puzzled as to why she was the target of a kidnappers other than has a famous daughter. There are no other people with money in the neighborhood? Could it be some landscapers or handyman that do kidnappings on the side? But how did she become a target? Are there are other high profile residents in that neighborhood?

I still can't rule out an argument with someone familiar gone awry and maybe she was pushed or hit her head ie little blood or mess.
 
Sunkist said:
If that's the way they work, they're rather useless, aren't they?
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Our cameras, which I replaced before winter, have a card in the data unit. All motions that are recorded are stored on the card for future replay. We have five cameras on the outside, plus two additional cameras at the pool with its own data unit.
 
Sunkist said:
If that's the way they work, they're rather useless, aren't they?
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Speaking of useless ….
Also, yesterday I mentioned that she should have had Flood lighting outside …. well it turns out that she had a Flood light by her back door …
so investigating around the house, they found the flood light had been completely removed by someone.

Wonder who installed all her security measures for her?
 
JustBonee said:
Speaking of useless ….
Also, yesterday I mentioned that she should have had Flood lighting outside …. well it turns out that she had a Flood light by her back door …
so investigating around the house, they found the flood light had been completely removed by someone.

Wonder who installed all her security measures for her?
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I hope the investigators are thinking about this..
 
.. her back door. …. From TMZ website. more stuff that doesn’t make sense.
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TMZ is reporting that investigators were back at the sisters home for hours last night. Flashes were seen inside the house, so photos were being taken. And about an hour ago, I heard that there is once again activity at the mother's home. It *looked* as if they had a lid off a well or something, but I couldn't tell very well exactly what it was... maybe just more routine checking around the grounds.
 
CallMeKate said:
TMZ is reporting that investigators were back at the sisters home for hours last night. Flashes were seen inside the house, so photos were being taken. And about an hour ago, I heard that there is once again activity at the mother's home. It *looked* as if they had a lid off a well or something, but I couldn't tell very well exactly what it was... maybe just more routine checking around the grounds.
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It's confusing that initially it was reported that her daughter Annie drove her home and was the last person to see her but, later reports said it was her son-in-law (Tomasso). There were also reports yesterday that the police were at the son-in-law's school (he is a teacher).

Of course, we only know what is in the press and sometimes it is inaccurate and, as the last people to see Mrs Guthrie, it would make sense for the police to thoroughly check them out so, the perpetrator may still have been person(s) unknown to the family.

Having said that, whoever it was went to a lot of trouble (and risk) to hang around and disable cameras etc. Personally, I think it would not be surprising if the ransom notes turn out to be a distraction. Whatever really happened that night, I hope Mrs Guthrie is found alive and returned safely to her family.

@CallMeKate The media here described it as a septic tank.
 
I wonder a little, why the children left her on her own to live in the house. She had many health problems and it would seem she would need another adult to watch over her or live with one of them. A medical care home might have been better.

I hope she can be found alive.
 

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