Train robbers, now

Laws not enforced are worthless.....
I have read many a dry legal papers involving criminal charges and not even once saw the line ... disregard if suspect is poor .....and a conviction might hurt your future chances. They KNOW that they chose to steal anyway....

This attitude of no consequences for your actions is a recipe for chaos .......
 
Jeni said:
Laws not enforced are worthless.....
I have read many a dry legal papers involving criminal charges and not even once saw the line ... disregard if suspect is poor .....and a conviction might hurt your future chances. They KNOW that they chose to steal anyway....

This attitude of no consequences for your actions is a recipe for chaos .......
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Exactly !!
 

The "anti-police" actions, over the past couple of years, has created a situation that is highly in favor of the criminals. Police departments are understaffed...especially in some of the major cities....and the remaining police are overworked trying to address the increasing violence.

Property crimes and thefts are taking a "back seat". If people are wondering what happened to their On Line, or Amazon orders, these pictures probably explain a lot of it.
 
 
@FastTrax

Guaranteed the organizers of these robbery raids are NOT living in poverty and do not deserve an aounce of pity from the justice system. Those boyz are fat-cat puppet-masters, probably collecting food stamps along with profits from the sale of $millions in stolen goods.
 
The UP cops are seriously overwhelmed that's why they are issuing their version of crime scene DAT's and LCSO is way too busy for this, unfortunately this is a multimillion dollar a day high traffic gateway for UP between The Port of LA and the marshalling yards for the UP Central Corridor to Denver. This style of burglaries appears to be crimes of opportunity and not planned. However after viewing some of the videos it appears that they have smartened up and are following the basic Conrail Boyz train heist template. Only thing is these five fingered shoppers are heisting random boxcars instead of high value boxcars but one would have to have an inside person with access to the consignee list. On another note all that trash on the tracks closely resembles the high density AMTRAK, CSX, NS and NJT rail corridors in the Northeast on a daily basis. Only things missing here are abandoned cars, refrigerators, stoves, couches and other furniture , stacks of railroad ties and other large items of destruction.
 
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Murrmurr said:
@FastTrax

Guaranteed the organizers of these robbery raids are NOT living in poverty and do not deserve an aounce of pity from the justice system. Those boyz are fat-cat puppet-masters, probably collecting food stamps along with profits from the sale of $millions in stolen goods.
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No, no, you have it all wrong. These individuals are victims of the cruel capitalist system. And your use of "boyz" implies they are not white, so that would be racist. The way to address this problem is not to prosecute these victims. Rather, they should be paid a large monthly stipend to remove incentives to appropriate goods.
 
JimBob1952 said:
No, no, you have it all wrong. These individuals are victims of the cruel capitalist system. And your use of "boyz" implies they are not white, so that would be racist. The way to address this problem is not to prosecute these victims. Rather, they should be paid a large monthly stipend to remove incentives to appropriate goods.
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... Are you serious?
 
JimBob1952 said:
No, no, you have it all wrong. These individuals are victims of the cruel capitalist system. And your use of "boyz" implies they are not white, so that would be racist. The way to address this problem is not to prosecute these victims. Rather, they should be paid a large monthly stipend to remove incentives to appropriate goods.
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Devi said:
... Are you serious?
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No, It's tongue in cheek humor.
 
FastTrax said:
The UP cops are seriously overwhelmed that's why they are issuing their version of crime scene DAT's and LCSO is way too busy for this, unfortunately this is a multimillion dollar a day high traffic gateway for UP between The Port of LA and the marshalling yards for the UP Central Corridor to Denver. This style of burglaries appears to be crimes of opportunity and not planned. However after viewing some of the videos it appears that they have smartened up and are following the basic Conrail Boyz train heist template. Only thing is these five fingered shoppers are heisting random boxcars instead of high value boxcars but one would have to have an inside person with access to the consignee list. On another note all that trash on the tracks closely resembles the high density AMTRAK, CSX, NS and NJT rail corridors in the Northeast on a daily basis. Only things missing here are abandoned cars, refrigerators, stoves, couches and other furniture , stacks of railroad ties and other large items of destruction.
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I think there is planning involved; organized, coordinated; and it's likely that fronts/buyers are known. But I wouldn't doubt that opportunists jump into the fray and take stuff home.

Florida is experiencing this problem as well, and a task force there says it appears to be a nation-wide operation with a central coordinator (or coordinators). I believe they succeeded in getting help and support from the FBI. The task force is at least a year old now, if I remember right.
 
Interesting, but don't think this will be much fodder for westerns. Jesse James' approach was more exciting.

When I was in college I had a job unloading box cars, security was pretty tight. The foreman had to verify the seal on the box car before opening, if it was damaged or missing he sealed it and reported right away. We had to keep exact counts on all the contents and if a single thing was missing it was a big deal. Damage on the other hand was pretty common. So if you got a load of something like cashews in jars you could, and lots of folks did, get away with eating all they wanted and then smashing the jars. A box of broken jars was no big deal, so long as it appeared to be all than had been in the car. Not sure that kind of security is still maintained. If it was there would be a pretty good picture as to where and when things like this were happening.
 
I posted in the other thread about people looting the boxcars and wondering why they aren't locked with locks that can't be cut open with bolt cutters.

Something else I was wondering... why don't they clean up that mess? Union Pacific is extremely profitable right now. Their 2021 Q2 profits were up 59% and Q3 were up 23%. Those are huge gains for a multi-billion dollar company. Their CEO is making over $16 million a year. So why aren't they addressing the issue of all the looting and strewn debris?
 
Murrmurr said:
I think there is planning involved; organized, coordinated; and it's likely that fronts/buyers are known. But I wouldn't doubt that opportunists jump into the fray and take stuff home.

Florida is experiencing this problem as well, and a task force there says it appears to be a nation-wide operation with a central coordinator (or coordinators). I believe they succeeded in getting help and support from the FBI. The task force is at least a year old now, if I remember right.
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exactly ....there is a plan

no one knows what is in the packages.... they rip open as much up ....until they can to find something of real value....

Perhaps we should find out where the marketplace for this is .... my bet is a small resale business selling through Amazon ( ironic) ....
perhaps a facebook market place .............or any other tons of internet garage sales.....

if arrested instead of just letting them go why not sentence to clean up all that litter and garbage.
 
Irwin said:
I posted in the other thread about people looting the boxcars and wondering why they aren't locked with locks that can't be cut open with bolt cutters.

Something else I was wondering... why don't they clean up that mess? Union Pacific is extremely profitable right now. Their 2021 Q2 profits were up 59% and Q3 were up 23%. Those are huge gains for a multi-billion dollar company. Their CEO is making over $16 million a year. So why aren't they addressing the issue of all the looting and strewn debris?
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Maybe because it's insured? I know that's Walmart's stance; they don't worry about theft and damage because their insurance compensates them really well for losses, and almost all the items that people return are included as a loss, so they just throw most of it out. Plus they benefit at tax time, too. So, technically, they get paid twice for losses. Pretty sure they call that double-dipping, right?
 
Murrmurr said:
Maybe because it's insured? I know that's Walmart's stance; they don't worry about theft and damage because their insurance compensates them really well for losses, and almost all the items that people return are included as a loss, so they just throw most of it out. Plus they benefit at tax time, too. So, technically, they get paid twice for losses. Pretty sure they call that double-dipping, right?
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That's something I was wondering about-who is taking the loss for this? According to the article, Union P cleaned up this place a month ago. So, it doesn't come as any big surprise that looting has occurred at this place. If UP was taking the loss, they well could cover the place with lots of guards. Whoever is taking the hit from this looting is chalking it up as a cost of doing business.
 

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