Turkey, NATO Ally, Shoots Down Russian Fighter Jet

[Warrigal]

One last comment to you. Being ready to defend our lifestyles from over run is not being war minded. The action is called self defense and it is needed more and more in this now crazy world. You claim you do not put others down but when you tell people they are not thinking correctly or what ever, you are putting them down. You do it more than a little bit too. But of course, you are never wrong, ever.

If the US military was for self defence only it wouldn't be as immense as it is and deployed in so many countries so far from its borders. Rather than self defence, it's primary purpose could be described as protection of self interest.

 

[Warrigal]

Debbie, I am fully aware that truth is the first casualty of war. And during peace time it is pretty badly mauled too.

As in a court room drama it is necessary to cast an eye over the available evidence and try to determine which side is most likely to be telling the truth and which side is covering it up.

Until further evidence comes to light, I reckon the Turks are more likely to be telling the truth about the Russian plane crossing the border after being warned not to.

 

[BobF]

If the US military was for self defence only it wouldn't be as immense as it is and deployed in so many countries so far from its borders. Rather than self defence, it's primary purpose could be described as protection of self interest.

Since WWII, we have had countries once held by Russia or overrun by Germany ask for the US to stay around and help protect them. We did so where we were asked. We have such arrangements in the Pacific also and I believe Australia is part of that defense area. If a country wished the US to leave they only have to make it an official statement and then we leave. The Philippines is a good example of that movement. The US has not taken over any lands since firming our own borders. We have accepted Hawaii and Alaska as states after several years of requesting. Puerto Rico keeps asking but for some reason it just has not happened.

The US is not on an expansion drive at all. But we also would like to keep troubles in Europe in Europe. So to me it is a helpful and defensive move of ours to try to keep our friends around the world free of not so friendly governments where ever.

Look to what has happened with our recent experiences in the Iraq and Iran area. We, with many other countries, worked to free Iraq of a terrible dictator. After they developed their own government we were told to leave. Then Iran, who hates the US for one, came over and spoiled the government the Iraq folks had put together and things started to go to pot immediately. We, the freeing forces, should have demanded that we stay for several years as we did with Japan and Germany and Italy after WWII. There might now still be peace in that area rather than these radical and nasty killer groups. It is defensive actions we need and must use to avoid a real world war three.