UFC Rhonda Rousey Loses First Fight By Knockout

Shalimar said:
I hope she is ok.
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Saw one report where she had a split lip that needed attention. Other reports had her trouble with breathing.

Apparently the experts think Rousey wasn't used to getting hit with punches or kicks since her strength is/was that of a grappler or Olympic Judo champion. Her opponent Holly Holm was a champion boxer or striker. I think this was one of Rousey's longer fights going into the second round as well.

With all the headlines about Paris I missed this story early on so I'm still catching up.
 

To me the fight was a real shocker as Holly really took it to Ronda and definitively cleaned her clock. A little humble pie for Ronda's T-Day! Those in the know are wondering if Ronda will come back or retire with her mega bank accounts. Very happy for Holly, though.
 
I just caught this today as well - a real shocker.

The point about ground fighting verse stand-up might be very valid - it's one of the things I've always said about MMA not translating directly into street fighting.
 
I watched the fight with my son on some gizmo he had hooked up to his TV. It was the first time that I ever saw two women go at it like they did. Oh, I saw two women fight before, but not in a controlled arena. I was very impressed by the two fighters abilities, not because they were females, but because of anyone's ability to take such hits and just keep going. A couple of those kicks would have easily dropped me. I can take a punch, but not a kick to the side of my head. This I am sure about.
 
I've lived way out in the boonies for 40 years and not in the cities so I know nothing about street fighting. It appears to me that the more physical skills that a person has in the interest of self defense, the better for him or her. MMA, as you know, involves striking, kickboxing, grappling, and wrestling/ground fighting. If I were at a large airport parking lot walking to pick up my rent car in the dark and got jumped by a thug or two, I would want to be able to defend myself in whatever way was possible. Ronda is a very good grappler and wrestler but she needs more training in stand up striking and defense.
 
Haven't seen a full video yet, but the photos and snippets of video tells me it was a brutal fight. But here we go at least one pundit is calling this fight 'fixed' or 'a work' as they call it in the wrestling industry. He says Rousey is too busy to be champion including an up coming movie. He says a league or organization can't have a sitting champ doing nothing for months on end and Rousey has a lot on her calendar which would take her away from the sport. It might not have been a total fix but maybe thrown if I get this guy's theory. That being said personally I think Holly Holm is definitely a worthy opponent and didn't back down.

http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/s...laiming-ronda-rousey-vs-holly-holm-was-fixed/

In conjunction with this guy's theory Rousey now to undergo plastic surgery. I don't think she would let her face get damaged or hit the way it did on purpose but plastic surgery a month or two before a major movie shoot can't hurt. I think the damage was so bad they had to rush her into plastic surgery to be ready for that movie.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3643893?lt_source=external,manual

No matter how you look at it this was NOT pro wrestling and was brutal encounter only professional, well trained and conditioned athletes could endure.
 
WhatInThe said:
Haven't seen a full video yet, but the photos and snippets of video tells me it was a brutal fight. But here we go at least one pundit is calling this fight 'fixed' or 'a work' as they call it in the wrestling industry. He says Rousey is too busy to be champion including an up coming movie. He says a league or organization can't have a sitting champ doing nothing for months on end and Rousey has a lot on her calendar which would take her away from the sport. It might not have been a total fix but maybe thrown if I get this guy's theory. That being said personally I think Holly Holm is definitely a worthy opponent and didn't back down.

http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/s...laiming-ronda-rousey-vs-holly-holm-was-fixed/

In conjunction with this guy's theory Rousey now to undergo plastic surgery. I don't think she would let her face get damaged or hit the way it did on purpose but plastic surgery a month or two before a major movie shoot can't hurt. I think the damage was so bad they had to rush her into plastic surgery to be ready for that movie.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3643893?lt_source=external,manual

No matter how you look at it this was NOT pro wrestling and was brutal encounter only professional, well trained and conditioned athletes could endure.
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This fight and the things which followed it have been bizarre. Ronda looked sluggish and didn't appear to be the super aggressive bully that she has amassed a fortune from being. Holly wouldn't have rained down on Ronda at the end of the fight if Ronda was moving around on the mat and showed consciousness...and I think that this is when Ronda got her lower lip messed up. I'm a mild MMA fan and occasionally read the two biggest MMA websites and nothing has been mentioned there about a fix for the fight. I think the UFC has too many millions invested in the sport to allow fixes to happen, but I guess you never know.
 
Hmmm. Just curious, if Ronda were male, would she be labeled a bully? Of course she is aggressive, you don't win fights by being a delicate flower. I do agree she needs more training in her standup.
 
Hah! You are right, Shalimar...I meant to use the word "bully" as a description of her mad dog aggressiveness, not her gender. What is the female term for bully?
 
Hah! Agman, I don't know if we have one. I think I will slide sideways and go with "winner" on this one, referencing the attitude rather than the outcome of the fight, of course. So much fun sparring with you! This Canuck loves a good joust!
 
Sparring and jousting like your fellow Canadian George St. Pierre, right? That guy was really something. I keep hoping that he will come out of retirement.
 
You bet Agman! Le Bon Georges! He is our pride and joy. I would love to see him come out of retirement. I have my doubts though. FYI I live less than half an hour away from a pulp and paper mill. This here is logging country.
 
I've traveled extensively in Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and Washington and have seen numerous logging operations and mills back in the days of my corporate gig. Lumberjacking has to be among the most dangerous and physically demanding of occupations. Ever been to Neah Bay? That area is absolutely gorgeous. Vancouver is as well.
 
I was discussing the fight with my student and he had seen the video as well as read all the interpretations of the fight.

My opinion?

First off, I haven't seen the video of the fight. I would need to see the entire thing to get some data.

I think it's most likely that Rousey didn't have the necessary skills to deal with a good stand-up fighter - that her specialty (indeed, her very training) is ground work.
 
suicidal

Rousey apparently briefly contemplated suicide after her loss to Holm. Especially right after in the training room. It was the first time she was knocked down/out like that. Her fights tended to be short victories so this was a new experience for her.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-c...-following-holly-holm-loss-172902652-mma.html

But this IS THE true test in life. How does one handle defeat, disappointment, surprise, shock, failure etc. Correct answer is get up back up, give it another go and work on figuring out what went wrong. Seems Rousey has passed this test so far.
 
WhatInThe said:
Rousey apparently briefly contemplated suicide after her loss to Holm. Especially right after in the training room. It was the first time she was knocked down/out like that. Her fights tended to be short victories so this was a new experience for her.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-c...-following-holly-holm-loss-172902652-mma.html

But this IS THE true test in life. How does one handle defeat, disappointment, surprise, shock, failure etc. Correct answer is get up back up, give it another go and work on figuring out what went wrong. Seems Rousey has passed this test so far.
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Yes,she was on Ellen and mentioned that,I don't think that is normal.emotionally unstable .now she iss desperate to fight her again.
 
SifuPhil said:
Drama queen.
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I don't know she was in a bit of seclusion for days after the fight not wanting to show her face and I don't think it was just the physical injuries. I saw her on Saturday Night Live and even though she seems comfortable in front of people and cameras something seemed off as in perhaps medicated for depression-eh, speculation.

I will say revealing it on a show like Ellen was a bit puzzling.
 
WhatInThe said:
I don't know she was in a bit of seclusion for days after the fight not wanting to show her face and I don't think it was just the physical injuries. I saw her on Saturday Night Live and even though she seems comfortable in front of people and cameras something seemed off as in perhaps medicated for depression-eh, speculation.

I will say revealing it on a show like Ellen was a bit puzzling.
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Eh ... I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of a former competitor in martial arts tournaments. You don't pout and cry and get suicidal when you lose. You just learn from that loss and move on. I think she was spoiled by her early unbroken string of quick victories, and she doesn't seem equipped to handle loss very well.

How you lose is at least as important as how you win.
 
SifuPhil said:
Eh ... I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of a former competitor in martial arts tournaments. You don't pout and cry and get suicidal when you lose. You just learn from that loss and move on. I think she was spoiled by her early unbroken string of quick victories, and she doesn't seem equipped to handle loss very well.

How you lose is at least as important as how you win.
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That's one of the biggest lessons in life period. Handling loss. Her initial success and quick victories made her highly susceptible to this reaction. Wouldn't her camp be part to blame.

It's anecdotal but I always heard there's nothing worse than an ex child prodigy meaning without success and special treatment in adulthood they consider their life full of suck. They got so used to being pushed, encouraged and/or given special treatment as a child they think that's how life supposed to be.
 
WhatInThe said:
That's one of the biggest lessons in life period. Handling loss. Her initial success and quick victories made her highly susceptible to this reaction. Wouldn't her camp be part to blame.

It's anecdotal but I always heard there's nothing worse than an ex child prodigy meaning without success and special treatment in adulthood they consider their life full of suck. They got so used to being pushed, encourage and/or given special treatment as a child they think that's how life is.
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I was actually thinking about that - that her coach didn't prepare her for a possible loss. Of course, that could be a psychological trick too, on his behalf.

Then again, I can't imagine the kind of pressure she was under from the media and her fans ...
 
SifuPhil said:
I was actually thinking about that - that her coach didn't prepare her for a possible loss. Of course, that could be a psychological trick too, on his behalf.

Then again, I can't imagine the kind of pressure she was under from the media and her fans ...
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Would that "pressure" have been a distraction as much as a stressor. I think some got it right saying she was already thinking too far beyond the fight like her endorsements, movies etc. But that goes back to her team keeping her focused, I can't believe some tactical or physical sluggishness wouldn't be noticed in training.
 

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