UK bans sale of cigarettes to future generations.

Sounds great but actually enforcing the law could drive a future generation into smoke tobacco and other stuff.

This also means more ID use and/or tracking.
 
RambleTamble said:
What gets me is all the characters that smoke in movies. A lot of them are smoking in every single scene. WTF? Why do they feel the need to do that? People don't smoke that much any more in real life. I could see it if they're depicting a different time, like the '70s when a lot of people smoked, but they don't need to show smoking in every single scene. It's a disgusting habit. People complain about the violence in movies, but what about all the smoking, which kills more people than guns or car crashes combined?
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I rarely ever see any smoking now in movies...but as well as movies..tv shows are just awful for showing people drinking alochol all the time...! It's diabolical. They walk in the door from work... pour a large spirit... they go into the kitchen..reward themselves with a glass or 2 of wine.. go into the bath, take a glass of wine or whisky... down to dinner.. more alcohol... just terrible... and then they go out driving to somewhere.. maybe a bar and drink..who the heck does that except alcoholics?
 
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hollydolly said:
Yes anyone who is now 18 or younger can no longer buy tobacco products ....however I can't see how this can be workable in the future...
Imagine in 4 years time a 22 year old full beard..goes in to ask to buy cigarettes or vape.... are they going to ask him to show his ID to prove he wasn't born after 2009 ?..I don't think so...
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Not so difficult. We are headed to a total ban. This is just another step. Ban these people, and by the time it truly matters, bring in more controls. This is a step along the way, that's all.

Aunt Bea said:
This caught my eye, not sure how I feel about it.
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My wife has finally migrated to a vape. I hate to admit it, but pricing was the main reason. So I guess the taxation worked (eventually). It's a terrible habit, but I have never been able to get my wife to stop.
Nathan said:
Nobody likes laws that protect the public health, like seat belts and wearing a helmet for motorcycle riders.
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Amen. I will never understand people who refuse to wear a seat belt or crash helmet. Although their number reduces annually.

Aunt Bea said:
I understand the intent of the law but it just doesn’t seem right to me that you can be old enough to die in service to your country but you can’t choose to have a drink or a smoke.
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Let me ask you this - if you could stop everyone dying while in service to their country, would you do it? That's the general idea.

Think of it this way - if you bang your head against a wall (smoking), eventually you'll get brain damaged or die. Is it a good move for governments to try and stop people banging their head against the wall?


OldFeller said:
It has always baffled me why people smoke.
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It's difficult for me to deny that I grew up in an age where smoking wasn't seem are normal, and even cool. I mean movies, music, and commercials, all glorified smoking.

GoodEnuff said:
It has always baffled me why people drink alcohol and eat themselves into obesity.
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Both are recognized problems, and both are subject to extensive legislation. In the case of obesity, not enough legislation!!

hollydolly said:
it's the same here..the tobacco tax is HUGE.
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That would depend on your definition of huge. It's around £7bn a year right now. Sounds a lot. But it's 0.6% of tax income, which isn't very much at all. Health costs to the nation is estimated at £43bn. So yeah, the math ain't mathing. Besides, they also get tax from vaping.
 
The issue of smoking for me has been somewhat a curiousity of heart and head.

There was a time when smoking was actively encouraged and freely advertised.
It was only when the health issues and consequence emerged that the practice became tabboo - but by that time the 'older' generation were hooked on the feeling.

The hiking up taxes was a bit of buy-off to supplement the N.H.S. Health - though that does not seem to have helped.

The banning of buying cigarettes will not make a difference if the child is in the company of those who do - only for the action of being a customer will change.

I think that it was the banning of smoking killed both the pub trade and that of social interaction., but there is another aspect to consider that being the element of control,
- and I'm unsure how I feel about that.
 
WOLF ANGEL said:
The issue of smoking for me has been somewhat a curiousity of heart and head.

There was a time when smoking was actively encouraged and freely advertised.
It was only when the health issues and consequence emerged that the practice became tabboo - but by that time the 'older' generation were hooked on the feeling.

The hiking up taxes was a bit of buy-off to supplement the N.H.S. Health - though that does not seem to have helped.

The banning of buying cigarettes will not make a difference if the child is in the company of those who do - only for the action of being a customer will change.

I think that it was the banning of smoking killed both the pub trade and that of social interaction., but there is another aspect to consider that being the element of control,
- and I'm unsure how I feel about that.
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You touch on a couple of subjects.

I don't think it's a "feeling". As a non-smoker married to a smoker, I know pretty well that it's an ADDICTION. Nicotine is highly addictive, and it's very difficult to give up. A lot of people smoke due to their addiction (which, from a purely capitalist perspective, is a great thing!).

The pub trade? You know, I think people - especially those in the UK - very much under-estimate the impact of the death of the great British pub. The pub was, at one time, the great arbiter. People grew up going to their local pub. It was a center of the community. Act out, and everyone knew it. In fact - ultimately - you were brought into line with community standards through pubs.

The British pub brought people together, was a place where ideas were debated (argued) and ideas were shared. But what killed it was - you know - taxation. Successive governments taxes the hell out of alcohol, which had a knock on effect of killing pubs. Social drinking - drinking in groups at a neighborhood hub - was swapped for drinking at home, sometimes alone. Neighborhood governance (through example) gave way to what we have today.

The smoking ban had an effect, for sure. But I think it was taxation that truly killed the pub.

By the way - having lived extensively in both the UK and the US - there is no real pub culture in the US. Approximations? Perhaps. But no real pubs.
 
In an article I read yesterday a few towns in Massachusetts have had these bans regarding sales of tobacco for a while now.
Similar to the UK.
Some have no sales of tobacco products/ vapes but still have smoking areas as people just buy all their items in another town over. It did not end use, just transferred the sales tax and such to another city. In these towns it is not illegal to use or have items just cannot buy them there. not sure if that is accomplishing much other than driving sales of other products as well outside the town. if someone had to drive to another town to buy smokes why not do all or any other shopping, they have in other town as well.

George1959 said:
In fact. And who guarantees, that older friends or even the parents don't buy cigarettes for the younger ones? This is an idiotic law.
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Silly feel-good rules/ laws a sort of "look we are making an effort" type thing...
I hope all these people who passed this do not dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back. :LOL:
 
VaughanJB said:
My wife has finally migrated to a vape. I hate to admit it, but pricing was the main reason. So I guess the taxation worked (eventually). It's a terrible habit, but I have never been able to get my wife to stop.
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Vape? Some say now that that's more dangerous than smoking. Because of all this anti cigarettes stuff kids here now vape or use snuff. If she can't stop, can't she try patches? They are expensive, but you don't need em very long. You get the nicotin in your blood via your skin. After a few months it started to itch like a bee sting and I was like: Come on. This is crazy. I'm not addicted to bee stings. So then I could stop with them.
 
In 1988, the company I was working for allowed smoking only in one section of the company cafeteria. Then they closed that section, and required smokers to go outside on the patio. I well recall at that time hearing news stories that the United States would be a "smoke free" nation by the year 2000. As we know, it's 26 years later now.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
In 1988, the company I was working for allowed smoking only in one section of the company cafeteria. Then they closed that section, and required smokers to go outside on the patio. I well recall at that time hearing news stories that the United States would be a "smoke free" nation by the year 2000. As we know, it's 26 years later now.
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1988? In 1998 they were just smoking behind their screen in the place where I work and the whole bunch sat in one big room. Ashtray next to their keyboard. Then banned to the balcony.
 
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