Unbridled media: abuse of First Amendment free speech guarentees

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Nathan said:
The focus of this thread is NOT politics, it's about a media personality that is spewing hated and racism targeting a former elected officer holder.
Of course Ann Coulter would hide behind First Amendment free speech protection, and profiting financially, profiting off her divisive, un-American diatribes that is her hallmark.
Such media / media personalities go un-checked and do enormous damage to our society and to our nation. But, nothing can be done, without invoking accusations of censorship. Of course, there is civil recourse for individuals, as Alex Jones discovered with the judgements against him for his "false flag" claims he publicly made, about the Sandy Hook shooting.
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I have zero respect for Coulter, for obvious reasons. She has been the same for years, repulsive.
 
Alligatorob said:
I'm not sure any of us do.

I think Matrix does his best to keep conflict to a minimum, particularly over politics. Whilst allowing some leeway. The result is some necessarily subjective judgement. Apparently there was a time before I came here that it turned pretty nasty I can see wanting to keep that out. There are other places folks can go to argue and call each other names. I like the reasoned discussions we sometimes have here better.

If in doubt you can send Matrix a pm asking about a specific post or subject, he is usually responsive.
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Thanks, Alligatorob. I appreciate your response.
 

Myrtle said:
Ok, not trying to cause trouble either but I really do not understand the no politics rule here. Nikki Haley is running for president and Coulter has been a political columnist for years. If they aren’t political what is.
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I felt the same way. Nikki Haley is a politician and Coulter is a political journalist. If they aren't political what is. But, I don't object to this thread. As far as hot topics go, Biden and Trump are in the news on my TV a lot more than Haley and Coulter. So it looks to me like they are all on the table.
 
Well, she's right in Haley only getting extremely low support numbers. I'm pretty sure she'll drop out after 3 months.

And I wouldn't say she's "abusing" free speech. She IS going to face a backlash, but legally, you can say what she said, but how others react, is the key decision whether it should have been said or not
 
As an aside, it might be interesting to take a look at what the First Amendment actually says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/​

I bolded the above. In other words, it doesn't exactly say "you have free speech", but that Congress cannot make laws against it.
 
Alligatorob said:
@Nathan I am interested in what in this thread you see as political vs not. You started it.

I like the thread, and find it interesting, but am still trying to sort out what is and isn't considered politics here.
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I'm trying to figure it out too.
Are the haters of Ann Coulter the non-political?
And those who just observe her the political?
So are the haters the non-political and the observers the political?
 
SeniorBen said:
What's sad is the fact that there's a market for that kind of garbage... and a big market at that!
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Where is Ann Coulter a hot topic? I haven’t heard anything about her in years. I’m not on cable and only get the free public channels but they include NBC news, ABC news, FOX news and PBS news each evening. There may be additional commentary during other times that I don't get.
 
Devi said:
As an aside, it might be interesting to take a look at what the First Amendment actually says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances​

I bolded the above. In other words, it doesn't exactly say "you have free speech", but that Congress cannot make laws against it.
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True, by wording. However certain rights in the Constitution are known as "Clauses" or "Provisions". The Free speech clause/Provision, the Free Exercise clause, the Speech and debate clause, the Spending Clause, etc.

It says "Congress" shall make no law, but that also applies to State/County, etc., not only Congress.
 
TabbyAnn said:
Where is Ann Coulter a hot topic? I haven’t heard anything about her in years. I’m not on cable and only get the free public channels but they include NBC news, ABC news, FOX news and PBS news each evening. There may be additional commentary during other times that I don't get.
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She had dropped from the limelight into obscurity, until she showed up on some podcast the 15th and made the cited comments.
There was not much hype until Don Lemon on the the 16th, opined that women over 50 were past their prime, also in reference to Haley.
Lemon's comments became a hot topic, and therefore required deflection from Don Lemon's sins, so once again Ann Coulter somehow became relevant.

In a country, where many citizens have the attention span of a gnat, who controls the news cycle, controls the minds. Especially during a time when the USA is experiencing a shortage of Adderall. It's all politics as usual.
 
TabbyAnn said:
Where is Ann Coulter a hot topic? I haven’t heard anything about her in years. I’m not on cable and only get the free public channels but they include NBC news, ABC news, FOX news and PBS news each evening. There may be additional commentary during other times that I don't get.
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Ann Coulter may not be a "hot topic," but the type of inflammatory rhetoric she spews, which is mostly lies, is at the core of right-wing media platforms. It's polarizing society and what's tearing our nation apart.

There's another thread here where people are whining about how FEMA hasn't gotten involved in the toxic chemical spill disaster from the train wreck in Ohio. That's not the job of FEMA, but that doesn't stop the media from whining about it.
 
SeniorBen said:
There's another thread here where people are whining about how FEMA hasn't gotten involved in the toxic chemical spill disaster from the train wreck in Ohio. That's not the job of FEMA, but that doesn't stop the media from whining about it.
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You may not like people "whining" (in your opinion) but "whining" is also free speech.
 
Myrtle said:
You may not like people "whining" (in your opinion) but "whining" is also free speech.
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The whining, the hate speech, the divisive speech are of the sacred cow in today's society, I guess that's what makes our country great!
Except: some that yell and scream loudly about "free speech" are actually talking about their own right to say what they want, and are continuously searching for ways to silence opposing views.
Some examples:
Florida's restricting race-based conversation( First Amendment violation)
[again]Florida's "don't say gay" law
Texas' book banning
 
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