United States and Israel attack Iran Early Saturday Morning

smiley said:
wasn't that a mistake though??
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They're still dead, mistake or not.

Rich said:
But we’ve tested this instinct repeatedly in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran, and the pattern is hard to ignore.
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US leadership are slo-o-o-w learners. We pay the price for that in bodies and tax dollars.

And so it begins:
WEST BLOOMFIELD, Mich. (AP) — A man with a rifle who crashed into a large Michigan synagogue in what federal officials say was an attack had lost four family members in an Israeli airstrike in his native Lebanon last week, an official said Friday.
Man who attacked Michigan synagogue lost relatives in Israeli airstrike in Lebanon, official says

We don't kill terrorists nearly as fast as we create them.
 
StarSong said:
US leadership are slo-o-o-w learners. We pay the price for that in bodies and tax dollars.

We don't kill terrorists nearly as fast as we create them.
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I’ve come to suspect that the issue isn’t a failure to learn at all. Something deeper is at work, some entrenched impulse or incentive that goes beyond any single administration. We’ve been drawn into the same entanglements again and again, and if the problem were as simple as learning the lesson, our leaders would have mastered it long ago.

“We don’t kill terrorists nearly as fast as we create them” may be the most devastatingly accurate summary of the long term consequences. Entire generations in Iraq and Iran will carry the memory of loss and devastation, and from that soil grows a deep, lasting resentment, one that will outlast any military campaign and may one day seek its own form of reckoning.
 
The US president has deployed thousands of US Marines to the Strait of Hormuz amid mounting fears that America is set to put troops on the ground as the world's oil supply is strangled.

Secretary of War Pete Hegseth approved a request by US Central Command for the deployment of a Marine expeditionary unit, typically including several warships and 5,000 troops, three officials told the Wall Street Journal.

The Japan-based USS Tripoli, an amphibious assault ship, and its attached Marines are now headed for the Middle East, where they join other Marines already in the fight, the officials said.

The war spiraled on Friday as the US death toll climbed to 13 troops, domestic gas prices soaredand Iran's security chief Ali Larijani defiantly taunted Trump on the streets of Tehran.

The bolstered deployment comes as the Trump administration weighs seizing Iran's Kharg Island, around 16 miles off the mainland in the Persian Gulf, which handles 90 percent of the Islamic regime's fuel exports.

Trump told Fox News Radio Friday about taking control of the island: 'It's not high on the list, but it's one of so many different things, and I can change my mind in seconds.'

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Prayers to keep the American Troops safe......
 
hollydolly said:
The US president has deployed thousands of US Marines to the Strait of Hormuz amid mounting fears that America is set to put troops on the ground as the world's oil supply is strangled.

Secretary of War Pete Hegseth approved a request by US Central Command for the deployment of a Marine expeditionary unit, typically including several warships and 5,000 troops, three officials told the Wall Street Journal.

The Japan-based USS Tripoli, an amphibious assault ship, and its attached Marines are now headed for the Middle East, where they join other Marines already in the fight, the officials said.

The war spiraled on Friday as the US death toll climbed to 13 troops, domestic gas prices soaredand Iran's security chief Ali Larijani defiantly taunted Trump on the streets of Tehran.

The bolstered deployment comes as the Trump administration weighs seizing Iran's Kharg Island, around 16 miles off the mainland in the Persian Gulf, which handles 90 percent of the Islamic regime's fuel exports.

Trump told Fox News Radio Friday about taking control of the island: 'It's not high on the list, but it's one of so many different things, and I can change my mind in seconds.'

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Prayers to keep the American Troops safe......
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WhatInThe said:
2,000 plus Marines and 3 ships being sent to the region. Said doesn't necessarily mean there will boots on the ground.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoni...hips-deployed-to-the-middle-east-reports-say/

Yet..
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I read your link and included in it was this interesting comment, edited for obvious reasons:

'The USS Tripoli could take roughly two weeks to reach the Middle East, suggesting the war against Iran could continue into April, which would be weeks after "someone" <- [edit] said the war was “very complete.”

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Also, on the noon news today, in a press conference, "someone" <-[edit] said"we are really hitting them harder than ever today"
(That's what they told us yesterday, and now it even harder. . . "very complete" indeed . . . )
 
Harry Le Hermit said:
Futures market this A.M.
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The market is pulling back a bit. It was announced that ships laden for China with Iranian crude were transiting the Persian Gulf, as well as other ships that are linked to China. This is being interpreted that mines might be limited and potential for other ships to do the same. However, the rocket/missile attack potential still exists. India is also negotiating with Iran.

The ships laden with energy products, that exited the gulf pre-war, and the release of SPR by various nations sounds impressive, but given the shortfall... might get erased in 4 or 5 weeks. South Korea, Thailand, Japan and other east Asian countries will be struggling, imo.
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I should have noted the national average is somewhat distorted by California pump prices, which will most likely accelerate. California produces about 25% of its current needs. 15% is Alaskan crude, which is in competition with the aforementione East Asian Countries. 60% of California's consumption is derived from foreign imports, with about 30% coming from the Persian Gulf, or roughly 18% of their needs.

Further complicating the situation... California has no viable link to the Strategic Petroleum Reserves, as the Jones Act inhibits foreign owned ocean going vessels transiting products between U.S. ports.
 
the biggest and stronger and more vicious our weapons become the more insane do we? - use them for utter destructions - oops mind the little children ??
 
3.2 - 4.1 million Iranians displaced by war,

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.” - Ronald Reagan
 
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