Unvaccinated Who Have Fallen For Disinformation and Conspiracies Continue to Die From Covid-19

Lawrence said:
What bothers me is people who tell other people not to become vaccinated. I have a brother like that and he has teenage children and a wife who is a nurse and he tells them not to get vaccinated. I think that people who tell others not to be vaccinated are criminals to preach such a thing. Vaccines work just think what the world would be like today if there was not such a thing as being vaccinated. I bet the population of the world would have fourty percent less people than we have today.
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"40% less people?"
Well, ya know..........traffic congestion is a real problem.
 

win231 said:
^^^^ A real gem - ridiculing your ex husband who likely has dementia. How lucky he must have felt being married to you.
My mom did the same thing to my dad when he became too old for her. But she probably learned something when she became completely bedridden for the last 4 months of her pathetic life.
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First, he has not been diagnosed, nor does anyone who knows him think he has dementia. I wonder about that because his beliefs seem so abnormal.

Second, I did not ridicule him. I merely reported unpleasant facts.

Third, I have been divorced from him for 37 years. I don't take care of him; his daughter and son-in-law do.

Fourth, despite your reading into what I said, I have been his staunchest friend for many years... and I do not say that, he does. One thing I do is listen to him talk (sometimes for over an hour at a time) about his beliefs. I do not castigate him, I just listen and ask questions that are not designed to tell him there is something wrong with his thinking. I am the only person in his life who listens to him.

Fifth, I think it is very important that 77 year old man in poor health be vaccinated against Covid. This is especially true since ordinarily he lives in a household that has a child too young to be vaccinated, and he does not take any precautions against Covid. There is nowhere else for him to live except in a homeless shelter, plus we in his family love him.
 
Lawrence said:
What bothers me is people who tell other people not to become vaccinated. I have a brother like that and he has teenage children and a wife who is a nurse and he tells them not to get vaccinated. I think that people who tell others not to be vaccinated are criminals to preach such a thing. Vaccines work just think what the world would be like today if there was not such a thing as being vaccinated. I bet the population of the world would have fourty percent less people than we have today.
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I wonder if some of the people who live in social/familial circles that discourage vaccination secretly get vaccinated. I would if that were the case.
 

win231 said:
Really? You need an explanation? Well.....OK, if you insist.
Common sense indicates that seat belts save lives & can prevent serious injury. They've been here for 50-60 years. I never needed a mandate or law to wear one.
A new experimental vaccine is a different story.
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Common sense (and tons of data) indicates that vaccines save lives & can prevent serious illness. They've been here for 200 years. I never needed a mandate or a law to get one.

A new vaccine is just another advance in science.
 
I track new US cases and hospitalizations closely. They are down 14 percent and 10 percent respectively over the last 14 days. Hope that's the start of a trend and that some day we can stop talking about this.
 
@win231 Many people who do not have dementia believe all this conspiracy garbage. Plus with aging and shrinking brains, some people begin to make poor decisions when they would still pass every cognitive test. I knew a woman who's father gave all his money to some internet scam. She tried to get his capacity taken away and he passed all the tests.

I don't know why your post was so harsh toward @WheatenLover
 
People in responsible positions, like Lawyers, Doctors, Politicians
and normally respected ones who are denying the vaccines for
any reason, should be arrested for spreading fear and the inciting
of others to go against the proof of the therapy.

Mike.
 
Remy said:
@win231 Many people who do not have dementia believe all this conspiracy garbage. Plus with aging and shrinking brains, some people begin to make poor decisions when they would still pass every cognitive test. I knew a woman who's father gave all his money to some internet scam. She tried to get his capacity taken away and he passed all the tests.

I don't know why your post was so harsh toward @WheatenLover
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You aren't very observant.
 
Buckeye said:
Common sense (and tons of data) indicates that vaccines save lives & can prevent serious illness. They've been here for 200 years. I never needed a mandate or a law to get one.

A new vaccine is just another advance in science.
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Comparison is 100% invalid. Vaccines have been here for 200 years. How long has the Covid vaccine been here?
 
Irwin said:
Theatre-goers tend to be fairly well educated, which means they're more likely to believe in the science behind epidemiology and less likely to believe in conspiracy theories, so they embraced the policy of wearing masks and getting vaccinated. Most of them probably would have worn masks even if they weren't asked to do so.

Go to a tractor pull or stockcar race, and it would completely opposite. There would probably be riots if they were required to wear masks.
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I know. :(
 
win231 said:
"Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement."
Not 1 year. So, YOU can feel good about taking it. :giggle: And, it's perfectly OK with me if you do. It's a personal choice each of us has the right to make. I respect everyone's choice; unlike some controlling types & those who play the asinine "Covid Blame Game."
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
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Do you take the flu vaccine? Each year it's newly developed for whatever strain is out there. However, it's based upon technology that's been around a long time -- the same as these vaccines. If you don't take it, that's fine; if you do take it, then can you please explain the contradiction?
 
WheatenLover said:
Yes, my highly educated ex-husband has always thought Covid was a hoax. He believes in a lot of other things that aren't true either (lots of aliens masquerading as humans in our population, Medbed, some group is going to take over the world economy and pay all our debts and we will never have to worry about money again, Biden is not the president - because actors are playing the parts of Biden and the Obamas and the originals have been killed).

Now he is in a nursing home undergoing rehab, and he is not vaccinated against anything, and many of the staff (according to articles I've read about nursing home staff) are not vaccinated against Covid either. But he has changed his tune to religious reasons for not getting vaccinated. He figures god will not let him get Covid - why he is special when so many are not, is beyond me.

I have often wondered if he has dementia. His daughter didn't bring his laptop to the hospital so that he couldn't fixate on the stuff in paragraph one. I am hoping that with no exposure to it, he will come to his senses in a couple of months. He doesn't know how to get on the interest on his phone, and hopefully that ignorance will continue.
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My best wishes for him on both counts, Wheaten.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
Do you take the flu vaccine? Each year it's newly developed for whatever strain is out there. However, it's based upon technology that's been around a long time -- the same as these vaccines. If you don't take it, that's fine; if you do take it, then can you please explain the contradiction?
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Never had a flu shot. Why should I? I had the flu once - 36 years ago & never since. During those 36 years, I worked in places that didn't offer sick leave & people came to work sick because they couldn't afford to lose a day's pay. I also cared for friends who had the flu. Natural Immunity perhaps? I don't mess with something that works.

My sister would get a flu shot every year on the advice of her doctor, who explained, "You must have a flu shot because you're diabetic."
But after getting sick & bedridden for a week after each flu shot, she said, "Screw this; no more flu shots."

You are mistaken about the flu vaccine's "Technology." The reason flu shots don't work is because they have no way of predicting what flu strain will be there each flu season & that makes it "Hit or Miss," & there are many strains, so it's usually "Miss." That's why when there is a really bad flu season, E.R. waiting rooms are filled with people with the flu - who had their flu shot. A few years ago, during a news piece on the flu, a reporter asked an E.R. doctor why that happens. He replied, "Well.....uh.....you see.....we can't predict which flu strain arrives each year."
 
MrPants said:
Yes indeed! Very few things are 100%. Let's just for fun compare the Covid Vaccine issue to when seatbelts in automobile was first introduced. Many similarities perhaps?
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I remember as a kid my Grandmother telling me she believed seat belts were dangerous. The hazards of not being able to get out of the car quickly were greater than any value of the seat belt. She even had examples...
 
win231 said:
Comparison is 100% invalid. Vaccines have been here for 200 years. How long has the Covid vaccine been here?
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Sorry, but you are 100% wrong. The covid vaccine has been here long enough for 213 million Americans to have had at least 1 dose. World wide many more, of course. And as an FYI, Polio vaccine was approved 1 year after trials began in 1954.

Polio Vaccine Trials

I'm gonna guess you were not one of the 1.8 million kids that took part
 
win231 said:
Never had a flu shot. Why should I? I had the flu once - 36 years ago & never since. During those 36 years, I worked in places that didn't offer sick leave & people came to work sick because they couldn't afford to lose a day's pay. I also cared for friends who had the flu. Natural Immunity perhaps? I don't mess with something that works.

My sister would get a flu shot every year on the advice of her doctor, who explained, "You must have a flu shot because you're diabetic."
But after getting sick & bedridden for a week after each flu shot, she said, "Screw this; no more flu shots."

You are mistaken about the flu vaccine's "Technology." The reason flu shots don't work is because they have no way of predicting what flu strain will be there each flu season & that makes it "Hit or Miss," & there are many strains, so it's usually "Miss." That's why when there is a really bad flu season, E.R. waiting rooms are filled with people with the flu - who had their flu shot. A few years ago, during a news piece on the flu, a reporter asked an E.R. doctor why that happens. He replied, "Well.....uh.....you see.....we can't predict which flu strain arrives each year."
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Then I understand your reasoning, Win. There's no contradiction. The flu vaccine is not exactly hit and miss. The problem with the flu vaccines is that they aren't 100% effective (no vaccine is). Sometimes they're more effective than others. As for the strains,

"The seasonal influenza (flu) vaccine is designed to protect against the four influenza viruses that research indicates are most likely to spread and cause illness among people during the upcoming flu season. Flu viruses are constantly changing, so the vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick, the extent to which those viruses are spreading, and how well the previous season’s vaccine protects against those viruses.

More than 144 national influenza centers in over 114 countries conduct year-round surveillance for influenza. This involves receiving and testing thousands of influenza virus samples from patients. The laboratories send representative viruses to six World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Centersexternal icon for Reference and Research on Influenza, which are located in the following places:..."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm
 

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