US accuses Israel of spying on Iran nuclear talks

I think Netanyahu is beginning to pay the price for his stupidity.. More is sure to come.

Including releases or leaks of Israeli intelligence on the US. A small proxy war shooting top secret leaks of information instead of bullets.
 

Interesting in your posted comments is that most of those folks that claimed the US was most dangerous also said the US was the first place they would like to move to if they could.....
Live your life as you see fit and I hope the US continues to help itself, the UN, and other countries to live safer and with out fear of being over run by out of control governments.



Phrasing is everything. The poll said the majority think the US is the ‘greatest threat to world peace’, not 'the most dangerous’ and keeping in mind that a huge number of countries have- in the street' violence and property destruction and high unemployment rates, America looks like paradise by comparison. And with the US pushing and goading Russia right now and with both countries having nuclear weapons, that 'greatest threat' could be sooner than you think. There are certainly any number of experts, ex-military, ex-government and political journalists who have that same concern.


You want to know why the US goes to war? Because it’s big money to people who lobby your government and for the sake of control. United States Marine Corps Major General Smedley D. Butler got it right in his retirement speech in the 30’s when he titled it ‘War is a Racket’.


There are ten companies listed on the following link that make billions from war and they spend hundreds of millions on lobbyists to approach politicians and they donate to election funds and there is a revolving door between lobbyists and politicians who all work to support the game that they are also invested in. Where do you think those profits are going but straight into the pockets of shareholders who happen to be lobbyists/politicians! Did you know that in the past 50 years, shares in the military industry have gone up 27,699% and that's compared to only 6,777% for the rest of the market! They need for war to continue anywhere because it's the Golden Goose and their sons and daughters will be safe so they whisper and cajole and make bellicose statements and inspire fear and or greed.......And the war drums continue to pound.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/blood-...ple-make-billions-of-dollars-from-war/5438657
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-so...-soaring-costs-of-military-casualties/5388393



No Bob, I don’t hate anybody, really I don’t. But I do hate suffering, pain, greed, theft, destruction and the idea that people just like my family are being made to cower and hide from the bombs of the super wealthy who come with excuses is dreadful. And by openly looking at that list of companies, complete with the millions and billions of dollars involved, if you were really honest you would see what you are really fighting for. How many of the countries in that list a couple of posts back have actually come to your shores and bombed neighbourhoods? And when I think of your own Major Wesley Clark admitting that in 1991, your Pentagon made the decision to destabilize the ME and then I think of the thousands who have suffered and died because of that decision, I can only wonder why the lesson of the Vietnam War didn’t sink in collectively.

And lest you think that I am picking on the USA only, I don't hold my own country sacred, nor any other. If we screw up I'll be the first the declare the horror. Like when the USA kidnapped a popular president from Haiti, Jean Paul Aristede, Canada played security guard in Haiti at the request of your country. I'm not proud of that at all, nor am I proud of the fact that Canadian companies made a couple billion off supplying the chemicals and weapons and such for your use in the Vietnam War.



Sometimes it is necessary to go to the aid of another, and when ANY country does that, it’s a good thing. But when money and weapons go to terrorist or fascist organizations who’s sole interest is power and control at the expense of civilians (as in Ukraine), or when lies are told to achieve public support of others violence, or any number of other 'wrongs', then the protestations of 'spreading democracy' become so thin as to be invisible.

It's all about the money.
 
Sorry, but you are so twisted in your thinking that we should all just sit around till those crazies of where ever just walk in and tell us to leave our homes or die on the spot. I guess we should all just expect to live like they have had to in communist China, before the hard headed communist left and modern life and jobs appeared for them to live with and profit from. Wonderful how our current government is letting all our efforts of many years, since WWII, go to waste and watch the killers of the Arab countries to take over and destroy all the efforts that the UN and the helpful countries had helped the natives to put in place, democracies of their design for better lives.

Just do not see where you think the countries of the world are wrong when they decide to fight for freedoms and the rights to live their ways without the killers being in charge.
 
a sentence vs pages of information

As if no one knew! What is really frightening is that their 'new' technology (1980's) is apparently more powerful than a plain ole atom bomb. Thanks for the link.

There's a big difference in the sentence "Israel has the bomb" and a 386 page report that details the development of their nuclear program which includes the listing of facilities.

I'm sure most intelligence agencies knew this but again this could turn into a little proxy war with Israel releasing it's secret information on the US.
 
I believe Israel better think it over.....

Other than current sensitive information if Israel decided to release something like Cold War information from the 1980s how could the US get upset to the point of action/reaction? Obama and Netanyahu are using PR departments and intelligence agencies for their spat. Hopefully both understand one upsmanship vs escalation.
 
The only thing the US need to do to Israel is to STOP standing in the way of a UN resolution to insist on a two state solution to the Israeli/Palistinian problem. This is what Israel fears... and the US with our veto power has stopped that from happening.......................................until now.. Netanyahu better kiss some butt.

 
Interesting comments here. I did not know that the US was blocking any form of peace agreement in Israel or neighboring territories. They were almost signed on different occasions and it was the coastal Palestinians under Iranian control that always caused the settlements to fail.
 
Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis reaches a 50 Year High. http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/03/27/3640165/israel-palestine-accountability/


Israel killed 2,314 Palestinians in 2014, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. That’s more than any year since 1967 when Israel defeated pro-Palestinian forces to wrest control of all of Jerusalem and other land then held by Arab countries.

Many of the deaths last year were a result of an Israeli military operation in the Palestinian-controlled Gaza Strip, which left at least 11,000 injured and 500,000 internally displaced.
“Israel, the occupying power, must fulfill its primary obligations to protect the Palestinian civilian population, and ensure that people’s basic needs and human rights are met,” the U.N. stated in a report documenting Israeli treatment of Palestinians. “This would include taking action to secure the physical protection of Palestinian civilians, cease their displacement, ensure accountability for violence and abuse, and lift restrictions on the movement of people and goods, as well as on access to land and resources.”

Israeli military officials have said that so Palestinian civilians were killed, in part, because they were used as human shields by Hamas. Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, a spokesman for the Israeli military, said the bombing of a U.N. school “a true tragedy” but that Palestinian forces hid munitions in schools and hospitals.

The U.N. maintained nonetheless that Israel violated international law, the international organization isn’t very likely to hold Israel accountable for its failures to protect — or even kill — Palestinian civilians. Even if U.N. officials themselves are at the forefront of the call for justice.

“[W]e cannot allow impunity, we cannot allow this lack of accountability to go on,” Navi Pillay, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, said in July after claiming that Israel’s attacks on homes, schools, and hospitals in Gaza pointed appeared to be at odds with the rules of war outlined by the Geneva Convention.

Palestine received overwhelming approval to become a non-member state of the U.N. in 2012, and in his appeal to the assembly even then, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the the international community faced a “last chance” to “issue a birth certificate of the reality of the State of Palestine.”

That birth certificate was blocked by the U.N. in December when the U.N. Security Council voted down Abbas’ appeal after facing the threat of a veto from the U.S.
In a remarkable shift to unwavering American support of Israel, President Barack Obama said last week that he would “reassess” aspects of the U.S.-Israeli relationship after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced support for a one-state solution, and then walked back that claim after he was re-elected. Netanyahu’s controversial speech before Congress further degraded his relationship with Obama.

That means that recognition of a Palestinian state — and accountability from Israel for human rights violations — may be closer than ever before. On Friday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius announced that they will call for a resolution to recognize a Palestinian state in the coming weeks.

“Today nothing has moved forward, still development of settlements, the Palestinians are in a more and more difficult situation and we cannot stay like that,” he said.
 
Interesting comments here. I did not know that the US was blocking any form of peace agreement in Israel or neighboring territories. They were almost signed on different occasions and it was the coastal Palestinians under Iranian control that always caused the settlements to fail.

Yes.... because until recently, I guess we thought Israel was an allie. Bibi and the Republicans stopped that silly thought.. Watch the US stop protecting them in the UN. We have been using our veto power.. Like I said Bibi made a big mistake.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/03/resolutions-netanyahu-palestinian.html
 
Israel killed
2,314 Palestinians in 2014, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. That’s more than any year since 1967 when Israel defeated pro-Palestinian forces to wrest control of all of Jerusalem and other land then held by Arab countries.

Many of the deaths last year were a result of an Israeli military operation in the Palestinian-controlled Gaza Strip, which left at least 11,000 injured and 500,000 internally displaced.
“Israel, the occupying power, must fulfill its primary obligations to protect the Palestinian civilian population, and ensure that people’s basic needs and human rights are met,” the U.N. stated in a report documenting Israeli treatment of Palestinians. “This would include taking action to secure the physical protection of Palestinian civilians, cease their displacement, ensure accountability for violence and abuse, and lift restrictions on the movement of people and goods, as well as on access to land and resources.”


(So blame the Hamas and Iran for these nasty invasions and killings of Jewish.)

Israeli military officials have said that so Palestinian civilians were killed, in part, because they were used as human shields by Hamas. Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, a spokesman for the Israeli military, said the bombing of a U.N. school “a true tragedy” but that Palestinian forces hid munitions in schools and hospitals.
The U.N. maintained nonetheless that Israel violated international law, the international organization isn’t very likely to hold Israel accountable for its failures to protect — or even kill — Palestinian civilians. Even if U.N. officials themselves are at the forefront of the call for justice.

“[W]e cannot allow impunity, we cannot allow this lack of accountability to go on,” Navi Pillay, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, said in July after claiming that Israel’s attacks on homes, schools, and hospitals in Gaza pointed appeared to be at odds with the rules of war outlined by the Geneva Convention.

Palestine received overwhelming approval to become a non-member state of the U.N. in 2012, and in his appeal to the assembly even then, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the the international community faced a “last chance” to “issue a birth certificate of the reality of the State of Palestine.”

That birth certificate was blocked by the U.N. in December when the U.N. Security Council voted down Abbas’ appeal after facing the threat of a veto from the U.S.


(Under Obama's direction? True!)

In a remarkable shift to unwavering American support of Israel, President Barack Obama said last week that he would “reassess” aspects of the U.S.-Israeli relationship after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced support for a one-state solution, and then walked back that claim after he was re-elected. Netanyahu’s controversial speech before Congress further degraded his relationship with Obama.
(So why was Obama so disinterested in hearing from Israels leader? Made lots of folks wonder about Obama's actions.)

That means that recognition of a Palestinian state — and accountability from Israel for human rights violations — may be closer than ever before. On Friday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius announced that they will call for a resolution to recognize a Palestinian state in the coming weeks.
“Today nothing has moved forward, still development of settlements, the Palestinians are in a more and more difficult situation and we cannot stay like that,” he said.


(Why is this so. Certainly not because of Gaza's actions could it? There has been no solidarity in that area due to Iran's support of Hamas in Gaza. They are the reasons that nothing is getting done. The inland section of Palestinians has not been causing death and destruction as the Gaza bunch (with Hamas and Iran helping) has been doing for years now. Time to start putting the blame where it really belongs, not use political reasons.
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These victims of Israels fight to end the rockets and car bombs came because the Hamas that had instructions and help from Iran to overwhelm the Gaza section. This was happening in Obama's term, as well as previous Presidents. Some really twisted logic flowing in these comments. Nothing so confused as thinking all UN comments are without question and need be followed. The UN is a largely political body and full of its own mistakes and personal types of decisions. The UN is not an infallible unit to be treated as such.
 
We mustn't ignore the fact that Israel has no interest in a peaceful solution if it includes sharing the land with Palestinian people and allowing the refugees to return. It seems to me that if they truly did want peace, wherever there were pockets of peaceful folks living, the sensible thing to do would be to offer small rewards in the way of improved housing or water access or less IDF aggression, etc., by way of encouraging a growth in peace and security and that has never been the case. In fact there are a couple of Palestinian areas where the folks take their safety into their own hands and actually hold peace marches weekly and they are invariably met with tear gas and rubber bullets. Netanyahu was for once honest in that moment when he stated that he wouldn't allow a two state solution nor quit building settlements.

There are numerous reports of the horrible existence of the Palestinian people, written by both Jewish and other humanitarian groups (B'tselem and Red Cross to name two) as well as a report by the UN which focuses on the problems of both food and water deprivation for all Palestinian people.
 
Israel has always allowed Palestinian folks to live in its lands in addition to allowing the Palestinian territories to be allowed to freely live. It has been only those lands along the coast, Gaza, where the Hamas supported by Iran, have settled and completely taken over for the Palestinians living there originally. No peace will be allowed as long as Iran is doing its thing about destroying Israel completely. We really need to somehow get Iran to settle down and behave itself first, but that seems to be a near impossible thing to do. I don't believe it is all Palestinian people as some live directly in Israel and some in the Gaza district where most of the problem exist and others in West Bank area where not much has been happening like the fighting in the Gaza area.
 
A big problem with this ongoing problem has been going on for many years now with different nations bringing on the promise of peace and shared lands and proper governments. I believe it was Norway that twice brought the two sides to agreement, only to have it torn apart by the Palestinian leadership shortly after the meetings with Norway. I believe it was the Palestinian leader who caused these failures to happen, twice.

Then we had a try by Pres Clinton as he had Palestinian and Jewish leaders to the US. Once again we had wonderful news of agreements for peace between those two groups. Once again we had the Palestinian leader break off the talks when back home.

Now we have Israel and Palestinian agreements for peace and separate governments, except this time it is Iran making the "destroy Israel" noises and stopping any real success for the Palestinians and Israel. No success till Iran and the Hamas leave Gaza and allow the peace process to succeed.
 


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