Vaccination is optional, but mandatory.

Exactly. It's truly amazing how many people in this day and age still don't understand this basic fact about science. Nothing is carved in stone; research keeps revealing new or more refined facts, and all we can count on are the latest, scientifically proven, facts. When new findings indicate a change, they are revealed, not showing that the scientists are "wrong," but just that new evidence has turned up. Or maybe just that the virus has evolved.

So, at first we were advised to keep washing everything all the time. I wore plastic gloves when I made my masked shopping trips to buy groceries. Then, more research showed that the virus doesn't really hang out on hard surfaces, not for long, anyway. We are much less likely to catch it from touching items in a grocery store than from going unmasked, because the virus mostly spreads through the air from one person to another. So I stopped using the gloves, but still wear a mask. And I still wash my hands as soon as I return home.

This doesn't prove that the scientists didn't know what they were talking about. At the beginning of the pandemic, it was just good common sense to try to sanitize everything. Then, more findings taught us more about how the virus spreads. That is how science is supposed to work.

If the vaccine isn't 100% effective, but research discovered that over 99% of those who have received both doses are protected from severe, fatal cases of the disease, the public was told that. And if a new vaccine turns out to be even better than that, it will be a blessing to tell the public about the latest findings. Not a basis for adolescent snickering from those who are still living in the dark ages, or are just stubbornly clinging to opinions that were appropriate a year ago, but no longer are.

Weirdly, the anti-vaxxer movement has become political, and has caused thousands of horrifying and unnecessary deaths. All caused by turning "scientist" into a form of insult.
 

suds00 said:
he reconsidered his stance as more information became available. it's a new virus. approaches to it's control change in time.
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ROFLOL. A "Highly-Respected" medical expert needed more information about something he learned in 1st-grade medical school - whether viruses go through a cheap paper mask. 😂
 
Becky1951 said:
This was in another forum. I thought sums up the confusion pretty well. 🤪

Vaccination is optional, but mandatory, although voluntary, but you cannot refuse, more precisely you can, but you can be fired, although it is illegal, but the judge decided it is not.
No revaccination needed, although it might be required, but not necessarily, since the vaccine protects for 2 years, but the antibody count will be too low in six months, however you will have some antibodies, but they won't help against the new variants, nonetheless another jab will help grow new antibodies, but we are not sure if that will be the case.
Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick, although you may get sick later, but it won't be as severe, although there are new variants, but you should not get sick, however there is a lot of patients with the antibodies, but you are immune if you already had the disease or were vaccinated, but we are not sure of that, therefore get vaccinated, which is optional, but is going to be mandatory.🤣
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The truth of the matter is that employers have the right to set work requirements for employees, particularly in the area of health and safety, whether it be protective clothing or shoes or vaccines. This is nothing new. Some places I've worked have
required flu vaccines to work there. Several vaccines are required for children to attend public schools. Many vaccines are required for travel into some foreign countries. The armed forces have always required members to have many vaccines.

And the vaccines aren't mandatory, nobody is going to strap you down and vaccinate you; however, if you want to work for Joe's Plumbing you have to be vaccinated, If not, you can go work somewhere else.

As to the changing conventional wisdom about how much vaccines help which people, it changes as we learn more, and of course recommendations change as knowledge increases or changes.
 
Butterfly said:
The truth of the matter is that employers have the right to set work requirements for employees, particularly in the area of health and safety, whether it be protective clothing or shoes or vaccines. This is nothing new. Some places I've worked have
required flu vaccines to work there. Several vaccines are required for children to attend public schools. Many vaccines are required for travel into some foreign countries. The armed forces have always required members to have many vaccines.

And the vaccines aren't mandatory, nobody is going to strap you down and vaccinate you; however, if you want to work for Joe's Plumbing you have to be vaccinated, If not, you can go work somewhere else.

As to the changing conventional wisdom about how much vaccines help which people, it changes as we learn more, and of course recommendations change as knowledge increases or changes.
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Good post Butterfly thanks. I never use kennels, but if you want your dog to stay in a kennel while you're on vacation, most of them demand that he has a Bordetella vaccination. You either get your dog the shot and proof of vaccination, or leave him with a neighbor or family member. The establishment has the right to set their own health guidelines, you can comply or go elsewhere.
 
The problem we are running in to is when the original precedents were set by the court back in the 1900s for the ability of states to set mandates , we had no such things as the ada ,health information acts and religious exemptions .

so this is all uncharted territory
 
suds00 said:
so the answer is to get the disease and hope that you're not hospitalized or worse. then you may have a strong antibody response. most vaccines require a booster. unless you're planning to get sick it's wise to get the series of vaccinations.
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As stupid as that sounds, it may not be such a bad idea. I had my antibodies checked in the hospital when I had COVID, but I never knew what that was all about, so I never asked any questions, like; how long will the immunity last? I don't know.
 
oldman said:
As stupid as that sounds, it may not be such a bad idea. I had my antibodies checked in the hospital when I had COVID, but I never knew what that was all about, so I never asked any questions, like; how long will the immunity last? I don't know.
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They can’t tell you how long it can last .

the proper testing can only tell you where you stand that point in time
 
mathjak107 said:
They can’t tell you how long it can last .

the proper testing can only tell you where you stand that point in time
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Back in January, I knew very little about the virus, so it never crossed my mind to ask about antibodies. Today, however, I would like to know if I still have antibodies. I did read somewhere that antibodies (in general) can last a lifetime, like the polio vaccine does.
 
oldman said:
Back in January, I knew very little about the virus, so it never crossed my mind to ask about antibodies. Today, however, I would like to know if I still have antibodies. I did read somewhere that antibodies (in general) can last a lifetime, like the polio vaccine does.
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there is not enough history on these vaccines to know how long .

flu shots have to be done yearly as immunity to that virus is poor .

the chicken pox virus is no longer contained by the body as we age which is what shingles are
 
Perhaps, 10 years from now, we will have a better idea of just What this virus is, and how to control it. Presently, the data is changing at a pace that makes any "certainty" almost impossible. If masks, vaccinations, and social distancing can reduce the chances of infection, that is about all that people can do to avoid the spread/growth of this disease.
 
"Despite having the highest vaccination rates in the country, there are constant reminders for most New England states of just how vicious the delta variant of COVID-19 is.
Hospitals across the region are seeing full intensive care units and staff shortages are starting to affect care. Public officials are pleading with the unvaccinated to get the shots. Health care workers are coping with pent-up demand for other kinds of care that had been delayed by the pandemic."

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrgDuljv1lhMm8ALmBXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNncTEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1633300452/RO=10/RU=https://apnews.com/d25aae90b2dda65b3d1c2c0d5d00156c/RK=2/RS=jhAhPGDM6zkP77PBDtfiOfFr_mA-

There's a....contradiction in there, somewhere.
"Hospitals are full of vaccinated people with Covid."
"Public officials are pleading with the unvaccinated to get the shots." :ROFLMAO:
 

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