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Mr. Ed

Mr. Ed

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I am curious why the media promotes death as a marketable cause for covid vaccination. The object of this orchestrated infiltration is to cast fear and chaos in the minds of millions so there can be no question but to follow.

I know 4 people who had covid and survived without difficulty. Why is there not information about the lives of covid survivors than the number of fatalities? The truth of the matter is the information given is not conclusive and as responsible adults the decision we make regarding the vaccine will have long-lasting effect on society and those in control.

Oh well.
 

Mr. Ed said:
I am curious why the media promotes death as a marketable cause for covid vaccination. The object of this orchestrated infiltration is to cast fear and chaos in the minds of millions so there can be no question but to follow.

I know 4 people who had covid and survived without difficulty. Why is there not information about the lives of covid survivors than the number of fatalities? The truth of the matter is the information given is not conclusive and as responsible adults the decision we make regarding the vaccine will have long-lasting effect on society and those in control.

Oh well.
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It was written already they are thinking about issuing vaccination cards for all citizens which would have businesses refuse service if you were not up to date. I think that order would take place the same day pigs fly.
 
You're quite right, figures rarely talk about survival rates, but that doesn't alter the fact that thousands are dying every day from Covid-19. People are free to have the vaccination or not and take the risk of being amongst those who don't survive.
It's not beyond possibility that people who have not been vaccinated will be denied access to other countries etc..
 

"It's not beyond possibility that people who have not been vaccinated will be denied access to other countries etc.."

With all the protests over being asked to wear a mask, can you imagine the protests and riots if that happens?
 
Blah. If my doc offers the vax free of charge I'll take it. It will be a while before I build enough antibodies so I'll still wear a mask and avoid close social contact. These things aren't that difficult for me. I don't care what anybody else does as long as they let me alone. That includes not being stupid and holding up the line in protest. 😾
 
It's not about the ones that are surviving Ed. It's about the millions that are dying. Not everyone can get over it.

People aren't just gonna get vaccinated because they're told to. Some actually want to try to stay safe from harm. Unfortunately the information so far on these vaccines isn't looking good.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I am curious why the media promotes death as a marketable cause for covid vaccination. The object of this orchestrated infiltration is to cast fear and chaos in the minds of millions so there can be no question but to follow.

I know 4 people who had covid and survived without difficulty. Why is there not information about the lives of covid survivors than the number of fatalities? The truth of the matter is the information given is not conclusive and as responsible adults the decision we make regarding the vaccine will have long-lasting effect on society and those in control.

Oh well.
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^^^ Bingo. They can't sell any drug or vaccine without horror stories about what may happen if you don't get it.
 
Judycat said:
Blah. If my doc offers the vax free of charge I'll take it. It will be a while before I build enough antibodies so I'll still wear a mask and avoid close social contact. These things aren't that difficult for me. I don't care what anybody else does as long as they let me alone. That includes not being stupid and holding up the line in protest
win231 said:
^^^ Bingo. They can't sell any drug or vaccine without horror stories about what may happen if you don't get it.
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Propaganda?
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Finding the number of survivors is simple math. You know that at least the number of reported cases subtracted by the number of deaths is the number that have survived thus far. If you want a more accurate answer take the number of reported cases as of one month ago and subtract the deaths. The two numbers will not be off by a considerable percentage.

That number however will not give you the number of people who have survived who are facing long term effects of having had Covid-19. However we don't really have a good measure of the true percentage of survivors with long term effects because it hasn't been long enough for many of them. Also some of the long term effects only show up as the result of having had tests before someone was infected and after they have recovered. For example some studies have noted measurable cardiovascular damage or long term lung damage after a person was infected even if they don't perceive the effects affecting their health.

I don't think that the media is colluding with drug companies or governments to try to sell the vaccine. I think there are many people alarmed by the number of deaths which have occurred as a result of the virus and various actions or inactions related to preventing it's spread.

They also don't know if people who have been given any of the vaccines (and each will need to be tested separately) also stop being able to infect others after being exposed to the virus. So even if people have been vaccinated they should be prepared to wear a mask for a while.

I will probably get vaccinated after they open up vaccinations to my age group. My son will have gotten one of the vaccines because he's a healthcare provider and my father will probably get it because he wants to feel like he's more protected from the virus. As a result I'll have good genetic examples of possible side effects for me. I'll also be able to see the results of millions of people older than me being vaccinated.

I personally don't think there will be any backlash to people not being able to visit other countries without vaccination proof. One often needs to have vaccinations to visit many countries, it just adds more and a different vaccine. Also I'm willing to bet a large percentage of people who don't want to wear masks aren't that interested in visiting other countries.
 
I've seen reports about people who are survivors but of course there is more in the news about serious cases and deaths. Scare tactics...maybe. But despite that I just saw that 58% of Americans do not plan to take the vaccine. This global tracker lists cases, recovery and death stats. Also on the site are other tabs which link to various statistical information.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
 
Giantsfan1954 said:
In the beginning, there were reports that all deaths in certain places were being listed as Covid whether the case or not.
So how do we know that these numbers that are being reported today are accurate?
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I'd like to see reputable reports about that. I do agree that there were rumors that it was happening and some people said one of their nurse friends said it was happening. However I have yet to see any credible reporting that is true.

What I have seen is reputable reporting that the death rates seen in various places are too high above expected levels for the covid numbers to make up the difference. So the reputable reports I've seen are saying that the deaths attributed to covid are too low and the real number is higher.
 
I know more people who have survived cancer than have died from it. Same with heart disease and diabetes.
Becky1951 said:
"It's not beyond possibility that people who have not been vaccinated will be denied access to other countries etc.."

With all the protests over being asked to wear a mask, can you imagine the protests and riots if that happens?
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Entry to other sovereign nations isn't a right, it's a privilege that may or may not be extended.
 
The early count tally was fed by increased payouts for medical services for Covid care. One thing about government payment, it is never on the straight and narrow side, always someone out there that will gladly pad a bill. Due to being an election year this was suddenly thrust out there to get a vote, by both sides no doubt. I don't want to find out first hand just how bad it really is if you should be exposed. I prefer to sit here by myself as I usually do and watch the rest of the world deal with it. I don't live any differently than I did before it started other than wearing that dust filter in public places. I have shortness of breath already and the mask does not help. I can still deal with that but it's the fogging of my glasses due to that silly dust filter that really gets me worked up. Oh, and the one time I removed the mask once outside and accidentally pulled my glasses off only to break on the sidewalk. It really happened I'm not making it up.
 
Mat said:
The early count tally was fed by increased payouts for medical services for Covid care. One thing about government payment, it is never on the straight and narrow side, always someone out there that will gladly pad a bill. Due to being an election year this was suddenly thrust out there to get a vote, by both sides no doubt. I don't want to find out first hand just how bad it really is if you should be exposed. I prefer to sit here by myself as I usually do and watch the rest of the world deal with it. I don't live any differently than I did before it started other than wearing that dust filter in public places. I have shortness of breath already and the mask does not help. I can still deal with that but it's the fogging of my glasses due to that silly dust filter that really gets me worked up. Oh, and the one time I removed the mask once outside and accidentally pulled my glasses off only to break on the sidewalk. It really happened I'm not making it up.
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Pretty much me too. Over the past year I think we have gone out to an indoor restaurant maybe 3x...but compared to my friens, I live on the wild side😎
 
Kathleen’s Place said:
Pretty much me too. Over the past year I think we have gone out to an indoor restaurant maybe 3x...but compared to my friens, I live on the wild side😎
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Mr. Ed said:
I am curious why the media promotes death as a marketable cause for covid vaccination. The object of this orchestrated infiltration is to cast fear and chaos in the minds of millions so there can be no question but to follow.

I know 4 people who had covid and survived without difficulty. Why is there not information about the lives of covid survivors than the number of fatalities? The truth of the matter is the information given is not conclusive and as responsible adults the decision we make regarding the vaccine will have long-lasting effect on society and those in control.

Oh well.
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I’m curious to know if the 70%we need to have vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity, thereby beating this thing for good, includes those who have already had it and survived.
 
StarSong said:
I know more people who have survived cancer than have died from it. Same with heart disease and diabetes.

Entry to other sovereign nations isn't a right, it's a privilege that may or may not be extended.
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Yes, but that fact wouldn't stop protests
For me its not an issue, I have no plans to travel out of the US.
 
I agree with @asp3 on this one. Besides which, who exactly would people protest against. Are Americans going to march in US streets because Italy won't let us in without proof of Covid vaccine plus a passport? Small numbers might march in front of one of their embassies, but I think it would be mostly ignored.
asp3 said:
I personally don't think there will be any backlash to people not being able to visit other countries without vaccination proof. One often needs to have vaccinations to visit many countries, it just adds more and a different vaccine. Also I'm willing to bet a large percentage of people who don't want to wear masks aren't that interested in visiting other countries.
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