Vaccines and Vaccinations

Murrmurr said:
Mike, I don't think they're wrongly named, but it's clear that they aren't called immunizations for good reason. But what they're called is beside the point; the problem is that the covid virus is not acting like any other virus. It "figured out" how to evade the covid vaccine...the mRNA one, anyway. That's why medical scientists want to try the Novavax....though there's a huge debate now about whether or not a non-mRNA vaccine will cause the same serious problems as "long-covid".
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do you happen to have a link about that information about the non-mRNA causing long covid like issues?
 

HoneyNut said:
That is very interesting, I don't remember my early vaccinations and the later ones were injections.
Covid tho is not the only shot that has a series, the newer Shingles is a two shot series, the vaccine for that virus that causes cervical cancer is I think a three shot series, and I believe Hepatitis is a couple shot series. Pneumonia also a two shot because I had to get the second shot of that this year.

I tried googling skin vaccinations and from the few sites I looked at it sounds like dermal vaccination has been around from the early 1900s and that studies in the mid 1900s had conflicting results about whether it was better or not. Then some more studies in recent years that had better study control (sounded like to me) think it is a superior method.

Then, I found the below info from a little over a year ago, so apparently people do still try to develop skin type immunizations. Maybe in the future we'll get that type.

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What advantage does skin vaccination offer compared with regular vaccination?​

Roukens: ‘A huge problem is that there are currently not enough supplies to vaccinate everyone at the same time. With skin vaccination, we can vaccinate more people using the same amount of vaccine. This means people would be vaccinated sooner.’​

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Is this a new method?​

‘No, skin vaccination isn’t new. We have been using this method for some time now for rabies and yellow fever vaccinations. It is an excellent way to use the vaccine as sparingly as possible. We now want to find out whether the Moderna vaccine is also suitable for immunisation via the skin. We first plan to test its safety and will then work out how much vaccine is needed to provide good protection.’​
So how does vaccination via the skin work?​
‘The skin is full of dendritic cells, which act as the guards of the immune system. When they detect a virus, they warn other immune cells, which go on to attack the virus. Skin vaccination involves delivering a small amount of the vaccine precisely where these guards are located. This ensures that no vaccine is wasted. The dendritic cells absorb the vaccine and initiate the immune response. This should ultimately protect us against coronavirus.’​

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Will we soon be using skin vaccinations?​

‘Possibly, but possibly not.’​
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is that something new doing 2 shots for pneumonia? i've never had 2 shots for it.
 
MarciKS said:
do you happen to have a link about that information about the non-mRNA causing long covid like issues?
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The reason some researchers think that a non-mRNA vaccine might cause symptoms of long covid is because the vaccine would contain either a spike protein or a number of spike proteins from the virus itself, either live or dead.

I got that from an online medical lecture; a video. I'll see if I can find it in my history. If I find it, I'll post it and tag you.
(tomorrow, cuz right now, I'm going nite-nite)
 

Becky1951 said:
"Like many people have asked, Who should we believe?"

If she is lying what does she gain? Those lies could end her career.
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I don't doubt her. We are getting more and more negative information about the vaccine. Why wouldn't people wonder who is telling the truth? Is it safe or isn't it safe. I am sure there are some benefits to the vaccine, but it is possible that not everyone is able to take it. It depends on the makeup of a person's immune system and if they have any other issues going on that may contend with parts of the vaccine. I also know of a woman that had MD, which is rare, but she took the two vaccine shots. Right after the second injection, he stood up and fainted. Now she has no feeling or use of her left arm. Coincidental? Maybe, I guess.
I just had a former associate at the Pentagon get his second booster a week ago. The very next day, he began to fill with fluid. The doctors had it under control until the fluid started filling around his heart and yesterday, I received word that he had died. No word as to what caused his death yet.
 
Been There said:
I don't doubt her. We are getting more and more negative information about the vaccine. Why wouldn't people wonder who is telling the truth? Is it safe or isn't it safe. I am sure there are some benefits to the vaccine, but it is possible that not everyone is able to take it. It depends on the makeup of a person's immune system and if they have any other issues going on that may contend with parts of the vaccine. I also know of a woman that had MD, which is rare, but she took the two vaccine shots. Right after the second injection, he stood up and fainted. Now she has no feeling or use of her left arm. Coincidental? Maybe, I guess.
I just had a former associate at the Pentagon get his second booster a week ago. The very next day, he began to fill with fluid. The doctors had it under control until the fluid started filling around his heart and yesterday, I received word that he had died. No word as to what caused his death yet.
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We aren't likely to receive word of any vaccine -related death; at least not an honest word.
What do you think would happen to the big vaccine push if they reported deaths caused by the vaccine?
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

"Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 601 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 20, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 15,605 preliminary reports of death (0.0026%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.
Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available."
 
Been There said:
No word as to what caused his death yet.
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Just from the info in your post, the booster did.

If someone falls off a ladder and breaks his neck, and dies, what caused his death ? For two thousand dollars bonus , covid did. Yes, even on his death certificate. This was admitted many times the last year or two - calling any death a covid death was rewarded with a lot of money.
 
win231 said:
We aren't likely to receive word of any vaccine -related death; at least not an honest word.
What do you think would happen to the big vaccine push if they reported deaths caused by the vaccine?
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I thought the young men that died because of myocarditis were attributed to the vaccine?
 
Tish said:
I remember my mother exposing both my sister and me to a child that had chickenpox.
It worked we both got it.
I thank my stars that Covid was not around back then.
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I think it was around back then, as the tests for it test positive for even a cold, if you ever had a cold. No worries back then, as the government did not get involved.
 
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