Voting by mail could save lives.....

JB in SC said:
I vote early in person, I don't live in fear. Anyone here can vote by absentee by mail if they wish. Not a problem at all.

Deluging a state with mailed ballots to folks that may or may not be at that address is not my idea of a secure election, those states that have been doing it for years may be different. I don't like ballot harvesting, that's rife for fraud.
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As I understand it, states are not being "deluged" with ballots sent out to folks. States are sending out requests for mail-in ballots to registered voters. I got mine recently. You have to fill out and sign the request and the state will cross reference signatures and other information asked for on the request, and only then will they send you a ballot.

Nobody is sending ballots out willy-nilly.
 
Butterfly said:
As I understand it, states are not being "deluged" with ballots sent out to folks. States are sending out requests for mail-in ballots to registered voters. I got mine recently. You have to fill out and sign the request and the state will cross reference signatures and other information asked for on the request, and only then will they send you a ballot.

Nobody is sending ballots out willy-nilly.
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What some are suggesting is to send out actual ballots to all registered voters like New Jersey is going to do, according to CNBC. The governor has said they can either vote in person or use the mail in ballot, sounds like a potential disaster to me.

Wonder how many have moved out of state, changed names, or died...

According to the Federal Election Assistance Comission, 28 million mail in ballots have gone missing from 2012 to 2018.
 
Fear would be a good way of controlling the turn out both in person and by mail. Shelter in place and only go out in the yard to get some exercise and fresh air. Oops that is a prison thing isn't it?
 
Sunny said:
My state sends you a ballot in the mail, but then it gives you the option to bring it in to a drop-off place if you want, instead of mailing it in. Probably little or no waiting in line that way. I think that's what I'm going to do.
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That's my plan, too. I've been voting by mail for about six years. Very easy. With all the intentional shenanigans going on at the USPS, I'll fill out and sign my ballot, take it to the polling station and drop it in the designated box.
 
CarolfromTX said:
Personally, I like the way they did it in Iraq. Dip your finger in the blue dye so you can't vote twice. Mail in voting, call in voting, drive-thru voting, are all recipes for fraud.
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Everything is an opportunity for fraud. Ballot boxes have been lost. There's no sure way to avoid fraud with one exception. Hire honest people.
Online voting using face recognition is the formula for the future. You saw it first here. That's my suggestion.
How do you vote twice? My polling station crosses out my name when I show up with my voting slip which is mailed to me.
 
Butterfly said:
As I understand it, states are not being "deluged" with ballots sent out to folks. States are sending out requests for mail-in ballots to registered voters. I got mine recently. You have to fill out and sign the request and the state will cross reference signatures and other information asked for on the request, and only then will they send you a ballot.

Nobody is sending ballots out willy-nilly.
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I'm so glad you posted that to quell the vicious rumors.
 
Camper6 said:
Good move.
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Camper, I'm confused as to what you mean by "polling station." Is that the place where you would go to vote in person? If so, what is the point of getting a mail-in ballot instead of just going there to vote as usual?

Or is there a special "drop box" station to take them to?
 
fmdog44 said:
I just wish there was a way to get Americans to vote. Our track record is a disgrace.
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Many are discouraged from voting because they think "Why bother, it probably won't be counted."

And they may be right because of the 'winner-take-all' aspect of the Electoral College votes. It's how the person with the least votes gets the prize.
 
Sunny said:
Camper, I'm confused as to what you mean by "polling station." Is that the place where you would go to vote in person? If so, what is the point of getting a mail-in ballot instead of just going there to vote as usual?

Or is there a special "drop box" station to take them to?
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This is in Ontario Canada. A polling station is a place set up where you can vote in person. There are no mail in ballots. But when you file your income tax you can give the government your name and address that can be used for voting purposes. They then mail you a card and your polling place location is listed. It could be a church basement or a school but always somewhere close. You present your card. They hand you a ballot. They draw a line through your name. You go in the booth and you mark your ballot. Then you hand it to the officer who initials it and you watch him drop it in the box. There is always two people at the table. Accusations of fraud are never an issue. There is also an advance poll you can use if you will be absent on voting day. The parties involved also will give you free transportation if you call them on voting day.
 
gennie said:
Many are discouraged from voting because they think "Why bother, it probably won't be counted."

And they may be right because of the 'winner-take-all' aspect of the Electoral College votes. It's how the person with the least votes gets the prize.
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Least overall federal votes for president might win. But that's the way the Constitution is set up so that each state has a say. Otherwise the most populized states would win every election.
 
Camper6 said:
Least overall federal votes for president might win. But that's the way the Constitution is set up so that each state has a say. Otherwise the most populized states would win every election.
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The Constitution mandates the Electoral College but the 'winner take all' aspect was added by individual state representatives as a means of manipulating the vote. Each state electoral votes should be awarded proportionally according to popular vote.

By the way, in the U.S. the Electoral College only comes into play in one race -- for president.
 
gennie said:
The Constitution mandates the Electoral College but the 'winner take all' aspect was added by individual state representatives as a means of manipulating the vote. Each state electoral votes should be awarded proportionally according to popular vote.

By the way, in the U.S. the Electoral College only comes into play in one race -- for president.
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The state votes are kind of confusing. There was recent legislation on it.
 
Camper6 said:
This is in Ontario Canada. A polling station is a place set up where you can vote in person. There are no mail in ballots. But when you file your income tax you can give the government your name and address that can be used for voting purposes. They then mail you a card and your polling place location is listed. It could be a church basement or a school but always somewhere close. You present your card. They hand you a ballot. They draw a line through your name. You go in the booth and you mark your ballot. Then you hand it to the officer who initials it and you watch him drop it in the box. There is always two people at the table. Accusations of fraud are never an issue. There is also an advance poll you can use if you will be absent on voting day. The parties involved also will give you free transportation if you call them on voting day.
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Thanks. Camper. Not too different from our system.
 
JB in SC said:
What some are suggesting is to send out actual ballots to all registered voters like New Jersey is going to do, according to CNBC. The governor has said they can either vote in person or use the mail in ballot, sounds like a potential disaster to me.

Wonder how many have moved out of state, changed names, or died...

According to the Federal Election Assistance Comission, 28 million mail in ballots have gone missing from 2012 to 2018.
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I believe NJ is sending out the ballots only to ACTIVE voters (who have been regularly voting), not to everybody who is registered to vote. It makes a difference.
 
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Camper6 said:
This is in Ontario Canada. A polling station is a place set up where you can vote in person. There are no mail in ballots. But when you file your income tax you can give the government your name and address that can be used for voting purposes. They then mail you a card and your polling place location is listed. It could be a church basement or a school but always somewhere close. You present your card. They hand you a ballot. They draw a line through your name. You go in the booth and you mark your ballot. Then you hand it to the officer who initials it and you watch him drop it in the box. There is always two people at the table. Accusations of fraud are never an issue. There is also an advance poll you can use if you will be absent on voting day. The parties involved also will give you free transportation if you call them on voting day.
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So you don't have any absentee voting at all -- like for military stationed elsewhere, or people who are to frail or ill to go out to vote?
 
Butterfly said:
So you don't have any absentee voting at all -- like for military stationed elsewhere, or people who are to frail or ill to go out to vote?
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For military they would set up polling stations where the soldiers could vote.

For people too frail or ill to go out to vote? I'm not sure how they handle that. I do know they set up polling stations in senior homes so they don't have to go out to vote.

Registered voters living outside Canada can apply for a special ballot for a mail in vote. I wasn't aware of that. I just looked it up.
 
After weeks of listening to both sides, I am doubtful if we will know the winner of the Presidential race on 11/3. I hope that I am wrong.
 
Butterfly said:
I believe NJ is sending out the ballots only to ACTIVE voters (who have been regularly voting), not to everybody who is registered to vote. It makes a difference.
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This is the better way of doing it, rather than sending out ballots to everyone that has an address.
 
Sunny said:
Same here, Butterfly. Yesterday, I got a form to fill out if I want to request a mail-in ballot. It was pretty thorough.
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Last week, I received a mail-in ballot request from the Commonwealth.
 
What I wonder about is if I would do a mail-in ballot and then vote at the pole would both votes be counted? I know that there is supposed to be cross checking, but suppose the person cross checking overlooks a double vote to help their party? I am not a conspiracist, but being a cop makes me somewhat suspicious when cheating can happen.
 

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