We need a new word for vaccine

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CarolfromTX

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I’ve been vaccinated against all kinds of things—small pox, polio, measles, mumps, DPT, etc. I’m never going to get those things. I’ve also been vaccinated against Covid, and for whatever reason, that vaccine is not always effective. Personally, I think it’s because of the ever changing nature of the disease. But whatever. So if it doesn’t neccessarily prevent the disease, but provides some help, then it’s not a true vaccine. So what is it? We need a new word. Vaccine-ish? Semi-vaccine? Demi-vaccine?

Personally, I think we should demote it to just Covid shot. Because, like flu shots, it doesn’t always work as well as we wish. But calling it a vaccine is off the mark, in my opinion.
 

CarolfromTX said:
I’ve been vaccinated against all kinds of things—small pox, polio, measles, mumps, DPT, etc. I’m never going to get those things. I’ve also been vaccinated against Covid, and for whatever reason, that vaccine is not always effective. Personally, I think it’s because of the ever changing nature of the disease. But whatever. So if it doesn’t neccessarily prevent the disease, but provides some help, then it’s not a true vaccine. So what is it? We need a new word. Vaccine-ish? Semi-vaccine? Demi-vaccine?

Personally, I think we should demote it to just Covid shot. Because, like flu shots, it doesn’t always work as well as we wish. But calling it a vaccine is off the mark, in my opinion.
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they actually changed the prior definition of vaccine due to this Covid shot..... they claim it is to just make it clearer and they were going to update it anyway.
i think the MIGHT / maybe... could we dont know drugs / shots etc should all be given their own category of .... semi effective....
 
CarolfromTX said:
I’ve been vaccinated against all kinds of things—small pox, polio, measles, mumps, DPT, etc. I’m never going to get those things. I’ve also been vaccinated against Covid, and for whatever reason, that vaccine is not always effective. Personally, I think it’s because of the ever changing nature of the disease. But whatever. So if it doesn’t neccessarily prevent the disease, but provides some help, then it’s not a true vaccine. So what is it?
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It's a vaccine. You can't call it an immunization. You can call some vaccines an immunization, but not this one.
 

vaccine
noun
any preventive preparation used to stimulate the body’s immune response against a specific disease, using either messenger RNA or killed or weakened bacteria or viruses to prepare the body to recognize a disease and produce antibodies.

How is the covid-19 shot not a vaccine?
 
How about "government control". The drug companies are powerful. They have the drug and they want to make as much money from it as they can. They need guinea pigs to keep taking the drugs. More drugs in your body will mean less natural immune system and therefore more dependence on drugs. It's all about the money. Think about it!
 
I don't care what you call it. No vaccine is foolproof, especially highly contagious mutating viruses, however, in my part of the country, 90% of hospitalized COVID cases are un-vaccinated. That's good enough for me. So whatever you call it, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's not a conspiracy but rather a Godsend that we have it.
 
Skyking said:
I don't care what you call it. No vaccine is foolproof, especially highly contagious mutating viruses, however, in my part of the country, 90% of hospitalized COVID cases are un-vaccinated. That's good enough for me. So whatever you call it, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's not a conspiracy but rather a Godsend that we have it.
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Over half of that 90% now hospitalized are children. Over 30% of them are obese, over 24% have severe asthma or some other chronic lung disease, and the rest have at least one comorbidity. They are hospitalized because they're at much greater risk of severe symptoms and death from covid than healthy children.
 
Murrmurr said:
Over half of that 90% now hospitalized are children. Over 30% of them are obese, over 24% have severe asthma or some other chronic lung disease, and the rest have at least one comorbidity. They are hospitalized because they're at much greater risk of severe symptoms and death from covid than healthy children.
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And if adults were all taking sensible precautions including vaccinations and booster then all children would more likely be safeguarded from contact with Covid infected people and therefore escape hospitalisation.
 
Becky1951 said:
Considering vaccinated people get Covid and can spread it how do you figure children would be safe from getting Covid?
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Because the "sensible precautions" I referenced also include mask wearing, social isolation, good ventilation and hand hygiene. Young children cannot be vaccinated but adults can. If everyone who can does take the "jab" and subsequent boosters, and if everyone behaves sensibly and doesn't go out when showing any symptoms, and if they wear masks without having to be coerced and if they wash or sanitise their hands frequently, then there will be a lot less virus in the air and everyone, especially children, will be a lot safer from infection.
 
Warrigal said:
And if adults were all taking sensible precautions including vaccinations and booster then all children would more likely be safeguarded from contact with Covid infected people and therefore escape hospitalisation.
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Children with comorbities that cause severe symptoms and death should be vaccinated. Your vaccination does nothing to protect them.
 
Becky1951 said:
"Young children cannot be vaccinated but adults can."

Children 6 months old and up can be vaccinated now since June.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0618-children-vaccine.html
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June is very recent and too late for just about all of the children who have already been infected.

Most children who contact Covid do not need to be hospitalised so for every child who goes to hospital there are many more who came in contact with an infected adult or another child who was sick. My great grandson has had Covid but was not very sick at all. Obviously he had to stay home to avoid spreading Covid to other day care centre kiddies.

My point still stands. When more people take sensible precautions and accept vaccination then there will be less people spreading the virus and less children in hospital. Not only children; also less elderly and less immunocompromised people getting very sick.
 
Murrmurr said:
Children with comorbities that cause severe symptoms and death should be vaccinated. Your vaccination does nothing to protect them.
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My vaccination? ??? What are you referring to? ???

OK. I get it now. I think the most vulnerable children under 5 years of age do qualify for vaccination in Australia but I could be unaware of recent changes.

Latest advice

Everyone in Australia aged 5 years and over is eligible for a free COVID-19 vaccination.

The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is available and recommended for children aged 5 to 11.
The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine is an alternative option for children aged 6 to 11.
Pfizer remains the only vaccination available for children who are 5 years old. There are currently no vaccines licensed for children aged 4 years and under.

A COVID-19 booster dose is recommended for people aged 12-15 who:
  • are severely immunocompromised, or
  • have a disability with significant or complex health needs, or
  • have severe, complex, or multiple health conditions that increase the risk of severe COVID-19.
More here: Who can get vaccinated | Australian Government Department of Health and Aged Care
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The Pfizer vaccine is 44% effective at preventing infection and 72% effective at preventing severe disease. The Moderna vaccine is slightly more efficacious. So while the vaccines aren't perfect, they greatly decrease the risk of deleterious consequences.

vaccine-efficacy-table_011022.jpg

https://www.healthdata.org/covid/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-summary
 
Warrigal said:
... I think the most vulnerable children under 5 years of age do qualify for vaccination in Australia but I could be unaware of recent changes.
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Yes, infants and children under 5 who have any of the known comorbidities are eligible for the covid vaccine here in the US. Parents can get their healthy kids vaccinated, too. That's between them and the family doctor. Researchers are saying that natural immunity lasts way longer in healthy kids than vaccine immunity does... so a previous infection protects the best and for the longest time. But yeah, sickly kids should be vaccinated.

And parents need to stop feeding their kids junk food and candy, plenty of soda, not enough fresh produce, etc. And take 'em for walks!
 
Becky1951 said:
Considering vaccinated people get Covid and can spread it how do you figure children would be safe from getting Covid?
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Well, maybe "safer" as they wouldn't be visiting their parents in a Hospital waiting room or ICU. Also, after reviewing the data as posted by Senior Ben on page 1 while many get the disease after vaccination, most of the vaccinated do not. Omicron being the only hard nut to crack. So... them's the facts!
 

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