We need tougher laws protecting Senior Renters

My parents were landlords of the duplex we lived in, only one renter. That is how they managed to pay their mortgage. It's a contract. If you don't have the rent, you are out regardless of age, disabilities, etc. My parents had to worry about their own parents and taking care of us and working two full time jobs. They did not have the time, the money or the energy to deal with renters with problems.

Now I know it is not the same situation. But even to a landlord who owns many properties, how many people are you supposed to give a break to? It's not the landlord who is at fault. I think that if you did not save enough for rent or to buy home that is your problem, regardless of age, illness, etc. Now if the government has a plan to help these renters, that would be so great! But don't dump on the landlord.
The reason I used the very polite term ***hole to describe the landlord in that news story. His FIRST CHOICE was eviction. FIRST CHOICE.

Then, after some press shaming, he rethought his first choice.

how many people are you supposed to give a break to?

IDK - is the guy a Christian? Maybe he could look to the Bible for guidance? "How often shall I forgive my brother, Lord?" Jesus said "70 times 7". If the landlord is a Christian, I guess that means he will let the tenant miss 490 months of rent? 🙏

Or, if he owns a big building, maybe that means he lets 490 tenants miss rent? ⛪

On the other hand, if you own a big building and you have 490 tenants are are not paying rent, you probably need a new screening service. You chose tenants 490 times and chose badly.

For a general answer to your question for a non-Christian, like how kind and generous is a rich landlord supposed to be, my question is, "How rich is the person in question?"

Example: Elon Musk. Can he afford to give every one of his employees a free Tesla? Just the cheapest one, the Model 3. We don't wanna go crazy. Yes he can. He could afford that. Why doesn't he? IDK. You'd have to ask him.

Jeff Bezos: Can he afford to buy up land near his warehouses and build little homes and apartments for workers, at least in some states? Yes he can. Why doesn't he? IDK - ask him.

IDK how these people think. Just like IDK how landlords who are cruel to the elderly think. Since I don't know how they think, I return to my argument that says a certain number among us are psychopaths and many of them are really great at making money. Not great at caring for people, but really great at using cruelty to make 🤑💸💰💲.
 

It may be that Politicians constantly wanting to go to war because of other politicians wanting to go to war is the reason modern society problems exist. Some countries rich is Oil want to pull the rug right out from under you. Well Shit is happening. What Cha going to do are you going to run for sheriff or keep on Paying for Stupid crap. if you look at specifis stuff all those who think they are rich in Petroleum, well they are the ones causing all the problems. So step back, look at who are really causing all the stuff and its the very rich that are causing all the problems. Sure, it is very simple to name the gamer's as YEP!
 
Sometimes, grown-ups who are in charge of countries want to go to war with other countries. This can happen because there are other grown-ups in charge of different countries who also want to go to war. The reason they want to fight is often because they are trying to get control over special things called natural resources, like oil, that come from the ground. Some countries have a lot of oil, and other countries want to get that oil for themselves.

The grown-ups who own big oil companies can be very rich and powerful. Sometimes, they try to influence the leaders of countries to make decisions that will help their companies get more oil, even if it means going to war. This can cause a lot of problems and conflicts between different groups of people.

It's important to remember that not all rich people or oil company owners are causing these problems. But some of them do have a lot of power, and they might use that power in ways that aren't fair or good for everyone.

To make the world a better place, we need grown-ups in charge who care more about keeping people safe and treating everyone fairly, rather than just trying to get more money or resources for themselves or their companies.
 

IDK how these people think. Just like IDK how landlords who are cruel to the elderly think. Since I don't know how they think, I return to my argument that says a certain number among us are psychopaths and many of them are really great at making money. Not great at caring for people, but really great at using cruelty to make 🤑💸💰💲.
Something I heard that might tell how these people think: a guy who'd been the editor of, I think it was, Forbes magazine that every year published the list of the world's billionaires said that every year after the list was published, he got calls from several of the people (including one p0litician that you can probably guess the name of) on the list complaining that the list had erroneously moved them down the list from the previous year. (For ex.: "You a$$hole! You said I'm only worth $25B! That's a lie! I'm still worth $28B!")

He said that when he told them that he stood by his facts and asked why they were so angry because, after all, $25B is still a lot of money and they'd reply that they had gotten calls from the other billionaires on the list laughing at them for moving down the list. They were still billionaires, mind you, but had just moved slightly down the billionaires list. Boo hoo. (The infantile narcissism of most captains of industry and others in power floors me.)
 
Something I heard that might tell how these people think: a guy who'd been the editor of, I think it was, Forbes magazine that every year published the list of the world's billionaires said that every year after the list was published, he got calls from several of the people (including one p0litician that you can probably guess the name of) on the list complaining that the list had erroneously moved them down the list from the previous year. (For ex.: "You a$$hole! You said I'm only worth $25B! That's a lie! I'm still worth $28B!")

He said that when he told them that he stood by his facts and asked why they were so angry because, after all, $25B is still a lot of money and they'd reply that they had gotten calls from the other billionaires on the list laughing at them for moving down the list. They were still billionaires, mind you, but had just moved slightly down the billionaires list. Boo hoo. (The infantile narcissism of most captains of industry and others in power floors me.)
"infantile narcissism"

And these are the people members of Congress are most likely to listen to - these kids dressed up like adults making fun of one another on the playground.

Everyone really should read "Hamilton" by Ron Chernow. It's a massive book, but it explains how this infantile narcissism has been part of the sickness of American leaders from the very start! Hamilton at least felt slavery was evil, give him credit for that, but he also created the stock market investing scheme that makes the rich richer while it can lead to the fleecing of the ignorant.

I was thinking today how too much of anything can kill a person. Too much water can kill any of us. I think unregulated, untaxed capitalism is the exact same way. It can kill a portion of us. And when Seniors, the poor, the legitimately disabled and children become homeless (for years) thanks to under-regulated capitalism, then that's EVIL! It's even unconstitutional! (Specifically what I mean by under-regulated capitalism is, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO RENT OR BUY.)

It's not merely fun guys teasing each other about who is richest. It's evil. I thought the Constitution was written to try to prevent the evil and corruption that has destroyed other nations in history. No? Am I wrong?

Anyway - want to know about how the Founding Fathers really were, read "Hamilton". Not so noble and perfect, and not so devout either.
 
"infantile narcissism"

And these are the people members of Congress are most likely to listen to - these kids dressed up like adults making fun of one another on the playground.

Everyone really should read "Hamilton" by Ron Chernow. It's a massive book, but it explains how this infantile narcissism has been part of the sickness of American leaders from the very start! Hamilton at least felt slavery was evil, give him credit for that, but he also created the stock market investing scheme that makes the rich richer while it can lead to the fleecing of the ignorant.

I was thinking today how too much of anything can kill a person. Too much water can kill any of us. I think unregulated, untaxed capitalism is the exact same way. It can kill a portion of us. And when Seniors, the poor, the legitimately disabled and children become homeless (for years) thanks to under-regulated capitalism, then that's EVIL! It's even unconstitutional! (Specifically what I mean by under-regulated capitalism is, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO RENT OR BUY.)

It's not merely fun guys teasing each other about who is richest. It's evil. I thought the Constitution was written to try to prevent the evil and corruption that has destroyed other nations in history. No? Am I wrong?

Anyway - want to know about how the Founding Fathers really were, read "Hamilton". Not so noble and perfect, and not so devout either.
I agree. And to those (some of whom I've met IRL, sigh) who'd say that the cut-throat, "dog eat dog," hyper-capitalist way of life is just natural for humans and therefore not only the way we are but the way we should be (!), there are more than a few instances of humans who figured out that humans do not have to operate like that. Europeans who came to the Western hemisphere observed one of the east coast tribes (Mohawk or Huron maybe?) who required the chief or elder of their tribe to frequently give gifts to other members in order to prove that his power wasn't turning him too greedy.

And old writings found in Spain written by a Catholic priest who had spent some time in Mexico or Central America with the conquistadors in the 1500s told how he and the others conquered a hunter/gatherer tribe and decided that a way they could "civilize" this "savage" tribe was to teach its boys how to play soccer.

The native boys were already playing a game like soccer--in fact, historians think that there were some people in Central or South American, the Olmecs IIRC, who were playing a complicated game like soccer with tournaments and all while Europeans were still sitting in the mud staring up at the sun and saying "Wow, big light! Ow, eyes hurt!"--and played a game for the Spanish. The Spanish said the boys were playing it wrong because the score was tied when they stopped the game.

The native dads explained that they had their boys play the game long enough for all or most of the boys to get at least pleasantly tired and for both of the teams to be ahead an equal number of times to the other team because that what make them feel good about themselves and for both of the teams to also be losing an equal number of times because that would build character and learn how to work harder.

And when the dads figured it was about an equal number of times for both winning and losing for both teams, they'd wait for the score to be tied and say, "Okay, boys, that's enough for today. Good game." Because, they told the Spanish, "You know how competitive these young boys can get. So this'll teach them how to learn to channel and control that."

Welp! The Spanish were horrified by how "savage" that was, "OMG! That's not how the real world works!" It was how the real world was working apparently just fine for these people 'till the Europeans showed up, sigh.
 
The American tradition of personal responsibility applies here. Admittedly, some pendants here in the USA are in denial about this tradition. But overall, we accept this as our way to deal with our problems. This includes our family members extending themselves to support and protect others within the family umbrella. As far back as I know our families have made sure that all of us have the basic needs of food, roof over our head, and the love of other family members.

I understand that others in our society do not or cannot do this but it works for us.
 
I agree. And to those (some of whom I've met IRL, sigh) who'd say that the cut-throat, "dog eat dog," hyper-capitalist way of life is just natural for humans and therefore not only the way we are but the way we should be (!), there are more than a few instances of humans who figured out that humans do not have to operate like that. Europeans who came to the Western hemisphere observed one of the east coast tribes (Mohawk or Huron maybe?) who required the chief or elder of their tribe to frequently give gifts to other members in order to prove that his power wasn't turning him too greedy.

And old writings found in Spain written by a Catholic priest who had spent some time in Mexico or Central America with the conquistadors in the 1500s told how he and the others conquered a hunter/gatherer tribe and decided that a way they could "civilize" this "savage" tribe was to teach its boys how to play soccer.

The native boys were already playing a game like soccer--in fact, historians think that there were some people in Central or South American, the Olmecs IIRC, who were playing a complicated game like soccer with tournaments and all while Europeans were still sitting in the mud staring up at the sun and saying "Wow, big light! Ow, eyes hurt!"--and played a game for the Spanish. The Spanish said the boys were playing it wrong because the score was tied when they stopped the game.

The native dads explained that they had their boys play the game long enough for all or most of the boys to get at least pleasantly tired and for both of the teams to be ahead an equal number of times to the other team because that what make them feel good about themselves and for both of the teams to also be losing an equal number of times because that would build character and learn how to work harder.

And when the dads figured it was about an equal number of times for both winning and losing for both teams, they'd wait for the score to be tied and say, "Okay, boys, that's enough for today. Good game." Because, they told the Spanish, "You know how competitive these young boys can get. So this'll teach them how to learn to channel and control that."

Welp! The Spanish were horrified by how "savage" that was, "OMG! That's not how the real world works!" It was how the real world was working apparently just fine for these people 'till the Europeans showed up, sigh.
I respectfully disagree. I think what changed Europe after WWII was the horror of WWII.

We don't understand this here in 'Murica because our cities were not bombed to smithereens like Berlin, London, many other cities in Germany, and we didn't have Death Camps to unload in America. We had internment camps, those were evil and unconstitutional enough, but they were not death factories.

We lost Pearl Harbor to bombing, but can you imagine what a different place the U.S. would have become if NYC, LA, Chicago, Boston, etc. had been blown to bits from 1941 to '45 by enemy forces? We'd be a much more sober people, I think.

Example: There was a big earthquake in 1971 in the suburbs of Los Angeles. It destroyed two hospitals, a few freeways, and caused much more property damage. Killed 69 people, I believe, and the death toll would have been much higher if it had not happened at 6:00 a.m. That earthquake fundamentally changed building codes in L.A. and California. It took something very bad to make a good public policy change happen.

IMO, good society is created and sustained by legislation. Building codes are legislation. Legislation can be stupid, impractical, poorly designed and onerous - that is true - but it can also guide and form a just society.

The single payer healthcare system in the U.K. was formed after the horror of WWII, by legislation. The UK system was not designed because the Brits are inherently "good hearted" and Americans are not - it was a humanitarian practicality because so many people suffered in the UK during and after WWII. Bombed to bits, orphaned, permanent PTSD from the bombings, etc. But also, maybe permanently proud of their nation because they fought Hitler so hard and for so long, and they WON. They won, and more than that, the Nazi evil was exposed for the whole world to see. The whole world and all of history can see that the Brits were as right as righteousness gets not to capitulate and bargain with Hitler.

When you are right, stubbornness is a positive character trait.

Here in the states, we were not so stupefied and physically harmed by the war, so we stumbled along post-WWII with our for-profit healthcare system, all in the name of making profits.

People forget, how forgetful we are, that in the 1980s and 90s, our healthcare system was so on-crack about profits, that they would just deny care to people who were seriously ill.
I remember this poor man very well - he was denied care by Kaiser, gotta love Kaiser, and he killed himself on a freeway after putting a sign down that said "HMO's are in it for the money!! Live free, love safe or die". He was HIV positive and had cancer and Kaiser could not see him for months, as is the way with so many HMOs, but not as bad as they used to be. I had a cousin I never met who died in the 1980s or 90s because he didn't have health insurance so he didn't bother even going to the ER. Even people with cancer were being denied care in the 1980s and 90s. Profit motive on crack.

Daniel V. Jones - Wikipedia
Man Kills Self as City Watches
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...evision/98d1800a-8f6f-4378-bc35-bcf8dc263d73/

On the one hand, you say people are motivated only by selfishness, but people in groups are not magically motivated by selfishness? Aren't they still people? Did group membership sprinkle some magic dust of selflessness upon them?

I think people are motivated to change by public shaming - look at the #MeToo movement, the Black Lives Matter movement, and even Zuckerberg is a teensy bit motivated to change his wayward products when he is publicly shamed in front of a congressional hearing (but only a teensy bit).

People can also be motivated, inspired to change, by laws.

People can also do things out of love - just pure, selfless, love. You won't often find love in politics, that is certain, far more greed and legislation in politics, but love can still change society. Oh, it's always in danger of being swallowed up and killed by the profit-motive, but it's still out there, making light. What inspired the Brits to fight off Hitler pretty much alone? Love. Love of country and heritage. Stubborn love.

As for the 1500s, I'm not a fan of the Spanish Conquistadores. Not a fan at all. But many Mesoamerican societies practiced human sacrifice. They were not perfect either, not at all.

"Perhaps the most well-known practitioners of human sacrifice were the ancient Mesoamerican civilizations, including the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas. Human sacrifice in Mesoamerican civilizations was not only a religious act but also a deeply ingrained socio-political ritual, pivotal in the cultural fabric of these societies." Human Sacrifice in Ancient Cultures: A Historical Overview

The 1500s were not the "good old days" for any culture, IMO. Can we just table them? If we want to form a better world, can we maybe look at just the last century with its Industrial Revolution, Information Revolution, and work from there?

I don't want to return to cooking outdoors and washing my clothes on rocks by the river. Do you?
 
On the one hand, you say people are motivated only by selfishness, but people in groups are not magically motivated by selfishness?
Golly, I sure don't remember saying that and scrolling back through what I said, don't see it anywhere. Where did you see it?

I don't want to return to cooking outdoors and washing my clothes on rocks by the river. Do you?
Of course not but it might happen anyway if we (humans) keep going the way we are (i.e., not getting green energy in place; the oil will run out sometime).
 
Golly, I sure don't remember saying that and scrolling back through what I said, don't see it anywhere. Where did you see it?


Of course not but it might happen anyway if we (humans) keep going the way we are (i.e., not getting green energy in place; the oil will run out sometime).
Sorry for the misquote. I'm just sick of the meme of the Internet saying people are only and solely motivated by self-interest . Just because Silicon Valleyites are only motivated by self-interest, doens't mean the rest of the world is. If someone would have the courage to slap some laws on them maybe they'd have other motivations?

Sorry - just in a mood. I'm longing for more just laws in lots of places.
 
Sorry for the misquote. I'm just sick of the meme of the Internet saying people are only and solely motivated by self-interest . Just because Silicon Valleyites are only motivated by self-interest, doens't mean the rest of the world is. If someone would have the courage to slap some laws on them maybe they'd have other motivations?

Sorry - just in a mood. I'm longing for more just laws in lots of places.
It's okay, thanks. I too am sick of that meme and in fact the point I was trying to make was that while self-interest may be natural, so is altruism; the human brain is capable, as evidenced by in some cases hunter-gatherers' and others' behavior, of selflessness.
 
Golly - somehow I think the guy who can buy a $40,000,000 apartment building can somehow, with great difficulty no doubt
(I weep for him😭), afford to lose $1,000 to $3,000 a month on an apartment as he waits for her to die.

Two equal sides? No way in Hades.

This story in just one reason why I call California hell. One of many reasons.

If I ever go to a city council meeting to talk about these issues, I'm going to wear a sign around my neck saying:
I will be dead soon. Don't worry!
Because many landlords feel sad 😢, when renters speak out about the bad landlords. So, to assuage their hurt feelings, I will brighten the mood by declaring I'll die soon enough.
I agree with you on these developers. One of the reasons the owners of a senior mobile park used for raising space rents "we have taxes to pay" OK WTF mo-fo. Seriously. While there were seniors interviewed who stopped turning their heat on at night and another who stated he has nothing left at the end of the month. Feel sorry for these creeps. No. I don't see their side. They are buying multi million dollar properties like this apartment complex I live in. This is not mom and pop with a duplex.
 
It’s very inhumane. Apparently there are seniors getting kicked out of nursing homes with no place to go. What a horrible thing to do to the most vulnerable humans on earth.
Humanity can be incredibly cruel.
They have been discharged to homeless shelters or the facility pays a few days in a discount hotel. After they made the therapy bucks on them.
 
Lots of senior renters would like to buy. They can't afford it.
Right. I keep making mistake after mistake and I know it's my child abused brain but it has to stop.

After disasters in my area and prices increased, it made what I had in savings diminish. That savings wasn't worth what it had been

Had I kept the house I owned, it would be paid off by now. But I left due to the neighbors and I didn't feel safe.

Also there was a diverse walking development that was voted down in my area. A woman was interviewed off camera. Glad that it didn't go through. My thought is, she has her home and doesn't care about those that don't. Like many.
 
I think unregulated, untaxed capitalism is the exact same way. It can kill a portion of us.

Honestly? This will destroy the entire planet. And when I say "destroy", I do mean destroy. There won't be a 1%, and there won't be an underclass. It'll all go in a blaze of fire.
 
I agree with you on these developers. One of the reasons the owners of a senior mobile park used for raising space rents "we have taxes to pay" OK WTF mo-fo. Seriously. While there were seniors interviewed who stopped turning their heat on at night and another who stated he has nothing left at the end of the month. Feel sorry for these creeps. No. I don't see their side. They are buying multi million dollar properties like this apartment complex I live in. This is not mom and pop with a duplex.
They are lying, those MH park owners. They cry "poor" to try to get sympathy. Tragically, that often works.
 
Right. I keep making mistake after mistake and I know it's my child abused brain but it has to stop.

After disasters in my area and prices increased, it made what I had in savings diminish. That savings wasn't worth what it had been

Had I kept the house I owned, it would be paid off by now. But I left due to the neighbors and I didn't feel safe.

Also there was a diverse walking development that was voted down in my area. A woman was interviewed off camera. Glad that it didn't go through. My thought is, she has her home and doesn't care about those that don't. Like many.
Feeling safe is a big deal when you are a Senior. We're not nuts. Think there aren't micro-agressions against Seniors? Of course there are. Think opportunists aren't trying to steal everything we own? Guess again.
 


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