What are the reasons some do not wear masks or will not be vaccinated?

Jules said:
The reason that some people don’t get the vaccine is a fear of needles. My 22 year old grandson who is really strong and muscle bound was just about to pass out when his mother took him to a pop up clinic. He had the classic shoulders up to his ears, clenched fists, white as a ghost look until my DD had him look away. He didn’t even know he’d had the shot. According to the nurse, this fear isn’t rare.
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Ya know, I doubt that had I been asked, that I would have waited in line to be circumcised but I didn't have that choice. People are afraid of all sorts of things. Fear is not what kills most. Disease and infection do. Tell him thanks for me for taking one for the team!
 

Sunny said:
That's an interesting point Jules, one that I have not seen addressed here before. I wonder, if the vaccine was available as a pill, if all these imaginary bad reactions, and all the resentment against the medical establishment, would instantly disappear?

Today's paper had a feature article about a day in the life of a few doctors in rural Alabama, who had 10 unvaccinated elderly patients come in to the clinic, for various ailments. One after another, the doctors asked if they had reconsidered the Covid shot,, and one after another they came up with the most dubious fears, imaginary dangers, stories of what had happened to "a friend of a friend," etc. until the 10th patient was finally intelligent enough to say yes. These were people who had battled cancer, some of them had parts of lungs missing, etc. They knew what the death toll was, and they knew that due to Covid, there were no hospital beds available for anyone else who needed them. Yet, they were still stubbornly saying, "Well, I don't know. I'll think about it."

The doctors had an amazing amount of kindness and patience. But they were still only able to convince one out of ten. And the death toll of the unvaccinated continues to rise.
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Not getting vaccinated would seem to put many more at risk besides just the one refusing vaccination. To me, that seems selfish. Getting vaccinated, yes, entails some risk, MAYBE, still would seem to help the one vaccinated as well as potentially anyone else they might come into contact with. That seems selfless to me. I'd rather live in a world with fewer selfish people and a LOT more selfless people. Just MY opinion. Yours may be different and if it is, you're welcome to make me aware of that but truly, I just don't care. If you're one who refuses to listen to reason then I'm one who will refuse to listen to you. Plain and simple, I just don't have time for any jibber jabber. I'm too busy living life vaccinated and Covid free! Selfish people suck!
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Not getting vaccinated would seem to put many more at risk besides just the one refusing vaccination. To me, that seems selfish. Getting vaccinated, yes, entails some risk, MAYBE, still would seem to help the one vaccinated as well as potentially anyone else they might come into contact with. That seems selfless to me. I'd rather live in a world with fewer selfish people and a LOT more selfless people. Just MY opinion. Yours may be different and if it is, you're welcome to make me aware of that but truly, I just don't care. If you're one who refuses to listen to reason then I'm one who will refuse to listen to you. Plain and simple, I just don't have time for any jibber jabber. I'm too busy living life vaccinated and Covid free! Selfish people suck!
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Robbing a bank involves risk, crossing the street involves risk, driving a vehicle involves risk, etc.. We choose what is best for us and our life. You are busy living life vaccinated and Covid free and others are busy living life unvaccinated and Covid free. I respect your opinion that not getting vaccinated is selfish but pushing others to get vaccinated is just as selfish. Each of us do what is best for us and our health. The booster shot will be coming soon for those that has been vaccinated.. I am sure they did not see that coming. However, again we do what is best for us and our health.
 
Brookswood said:
The schools will be a big test. If schools are closed again and we are back to the awful online classrooms, I think a lot of parents will not be happy with those who refuse the vaccine, but still want to be out and about at work, in stores, at the public library, at restaurants, etc. while risking spreading the virus to others. They can't have their rights while ignoring the rights of others to things like a safe work place and a good education. If kids get sick because of non vaccinated adults.... Look out.

IMO, as corona virus continues to take its grim toll of non vaccinated people, I think more and more of them will decide to get vaccinated.
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IMO.. The covid vaccine was not enough.. now they are coming out with the booster shot. That is a deciding factor with some people to not get the vaccine.
 
Ladybj said:
IMO.. The covid vaccine was not enough.. now they are coming out with the booster shot. That is a deciding factor with some people to not get the vaccine.
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It may be a factor to some, but IMO, not getting vaccinated because a booster may be required is a flawed decision.

Certainly the vaccine is not enough to completely protect us from Covid. But, so far it has shown to be enough to protect most people from serious illness, hospitalization and maybe death. That's a huge plus. Not getting the vaccine because it's not perfect (something no knowledgeable person would claim), does not make sense to me.

Never let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
 
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Security is never perfect. What it does is increase the skill level and power needed to do something bad that hurts others. Security reduces the number of bad guys who can take the opportunity to hurt the rest of us. And, yes, sometimes its a pain in the rear end for the good guys and gals. We have to lock our homes up when we leave, watch where we park our cars, carry a bunch of keys, pass cards and other paraphernalia. If we forget our password, it's more work. But, we do it because the cost of letting one bad guy get into our home, steal our car, or raid our bank account is so very very high.

I got vaccinated because the cost of getting a serious case of Covid is very high. I know several people in their 40's to 60's who got Covid and were laid up in bed for weeks. One younger guy in his 30's spent a week in the hospital, and months after is still suffering some minor ill effects. Thankfully, I have not known personally anybody who has perished. But, I have friends who have, so I take that seriously also.

That's why I got vaccinated and wear a mask (which I really don't care to do). And that is why I will get a booster if and when it is offered. I am doing everything I can to protect myself and the others I love.
 
What I don't understand is the resistance to wearing a mask. Come on, let's be realistic. wearing a mask in public is not akin to inhumane torture. It's a freaken paper mask, for God's sake.. And, even if there was only a slight chance of saving one person's life by wearing it, isn't the mere discomfort worth it? With "rights' come obligations stemming from those rights. Don't you have a duty to ensure using your "rights" doesn't harm others?
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I imagine that it’s only a mater of time before someone here, who throws insults and thinks that they’re smarter than everyone else, comes down with a case of Covid. And when that happens I imagine that at least one or two of those who didn’t choose to get vaccinated before might reconsider but then again too, maybe they won’t. So be it. I don’t wish anyone bad luck, I love you all but I will say this, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. A person can be led to knowledge but no one can make them think. Be as spiteful and all knowing as you like. Pretty soon that ball will drop in one of those spots as the wheel spins down … Will it be YOUR number it drops into or maybe your co-horts ? I don’t know and I don’t wish you badly but I can’t make you think. You’ll live with your choices or possibly die or worse, cause some other innocent soul to die. Just because you knew what you know. John 11:35
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Ladybj said:
IMO.. The covid vaccine was not enough.. now they are coming out with the booster shot. That is a deciding factor with some people to not get the vaccine.
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What is the big deal about the booster shot? Many vaccines require a booster at some point in time.

Why in the world would the requirement for a booster be a deciding for anyone refusing the vaccine?
 
Butterfly said:
What is the big deal about the booster shot? Many vaccines require a booster at some point in time.

Why in the world would the requirement for a booster be a deciding for anyone refusing the vaccine?
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It's just another excuse people will use to not get vaccinated.

King Soopers (Kroger's) will be administering booster shots to people who are eligible, so that will be easier than what we went through to get our first two shots. We drove quite a ways to get them and then waited in line, so it took a good 1-1/2 hours. I could see how that could have been a major inconvenience for people who were working full time.
 
My ex-husband (we have been divorced for 35 years) refuses to wear a mask or to get vaccinated because "covid is a hoax". He lives with one of his daughters. She has a 9 year old son. This puts the daughter between a rock and a hard place. My ex is 77 years old, doesn't have enough social security income to support himself, and has various physical ailments. The waiting list for senior housing is several years. If his daughter throws him out, he will have to live on the street. She won't do that. I would.

He also believes that Medbed will be available any day now. It's a contraption that completely heals your body and reverse-ages you by 30-35 years.

I think he has something wrong with him. Medbed and covid-hoax are not the only whacky things he believes in.
 
I really dislike wearing a mask. (I'm fully vaccinated btw). My feeling is that if it's so dangerous to be someplace that you need to wear a mask, then it would be less dangerous not to be there at all. So I mainly don't go anywhere indoors.

I also feel totally betrayed by the CDC. My understanding was that full vaccine = no mask. I just went to the local library and couldn't go in because of a recently reinstated mask rule. So I dropped the books through the outside slot and came home. I respect everyone's right to post a "please wear a mask" sign. I just go away instead.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I really dislike wearing a mask. (I'm fully vaccinated btw). My feeling is that if it's so dangerous to be someplace that you need to wear a mask, then it would be less dangerous not to be there at all. So I mainly don't go anywhere indoors.

I also feel totally betrayed by the CDC. My understanding was that full vaccine = no mask. I just went to the local library and couldn't go in because of a recently reinstated mask rule. So I dropped the books through the outside slot and came home. I respect everyone's right to post a "please wear a mask" sign. I just go away instead.
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As I suspected from the beginning, the "Get vaccinated = no mask" was a ploy to get everyone vaccinated to sell more vaccines - much like the other nonsensical vaccine incentives like free tacos, free rides on a ferris wheel & cash drawings.
A doctor I saw before Covid vaccines were available said to me, "Well, when we're all vaccinated, we can get rid of these silly masks."
I just laughed.
 
Ladybj said:
IMO.. The covid vaccine was not enough.. now they are coming out with the booster shot. That is a deciding factor with some people to not get the vaccine.
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Ye gads, what is so awful about a booster shot? One more bit of fear-inspiring nonsense? Many of the vaccines for other diseases require boosters. Most of us get them as required; I've never heard of anyone making a big stink about it.

If they originally thought, or at least hoped, that the vaccine alone would be enough, that masks would no longer be necessary, etc,., it's because this virus is so new that we are largely fighting it blindly. We have a vaccine that seems to work amazingly well, so far. That's good. It doesn't confer 100% lifelong immunity? That's not so good, but we've got to do the best we can with what we've got.
 
I spoke to a neighbor yesterday. Her child started kindergarten and on the first day a teacher discovered she had Covid-19 🙄. All the children had to stay home seven days as they were exposed during lunch when they all had their masks off.

The neighbor and her husband and her two other children had to quarantine since they had not gotten vaccinated. Her high schoolers and her second grader missed school as well, but the parents both work from home.

After the seventh day, they all had to get tested for COVID-19 before anyone could return to normal life. Imagine the parents surprise when they realized the flu they had months back must have been COVID-19, since they have the antibodies to the virus.

She was so sick, she said, that she has now decided to get vaccinated. 🤦🏻‍♀️😂. As soon as she can find the particular vaccine she prefers, she will. 😳🥳
 
Aneeda72 said:
Imagine the parents surprise when they realized the flu they had months back must have been COVID-19, since they have the antibodies to the virus.
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But that's the thing — if they've had it (and the antibodies do prove it), there's no reason to get vaccinated. From what I've read, having had Covid-19 gives one what they call "natural immunity" which apparently is better than a vaccination.
 
Devi said:
But that's the thing — if they've had it (and the antibodies do prove it), there's no reason to get vaccinated. From what I've read, having had Covid-19 gives one what they call "natural immunity" which apparently is better than a vaccination.
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Yes, but it doesn’t last. The antibodies were low but there
 
Advice on getting the vaccine after having Covid:

https://www.uab.edu/news/youcanuse/item/12235-i-have-had-covid-why-should-i-get-vaccinated

Q: If I have had COVID, should I still get vaccinated?​


Watch UAB’s Michael Saag, M.D., explain how vaccines work against the Delta variant.

A: Absolutely. Even before vaccines were available, we were seeing not a small number of reinfections in young people who had previously been infected.


We are not surprised by this because, when you get COVID-19, your body does make antibodies; but those antibodies are not enough to keep you safe in the long run.


Remember, COVID-19 is a common cold virus that has gone crazy, and you know you are not immune to the common cold, unfortunately. So, if you have had COVID-19, you are vulnerable to getting it again, and getting the Delta strain.


Q: Which vaccine should I get?​


A: It does not really matter which vaccine you get. You can get one of the mRNA vaccines such as Moderna or Pfizer, or you can get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.


They are all working well against the Delta variant, which is the one we are most worried about.
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if you were treated with a monoclonal antibody or convalescent plasma when you had COVID-19, then you should wait 90 days.
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Devi said:
From what I've read, having had Covid-19 gives one what they call "natural immunity" which apparently is better than a vaccination.
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Would you mind sharing the link where you got this info? I know someone who's had Covid and isn't vaccinated.
 

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