What are unvaccinated people thinking?

Don M. said:
The last time I checked, this is NOT some US Government/politicians thing....rather it is a Global emergency. Millions have already died, world wide...and this virus continues to expand....Globally. While there is Always no shortage of political BS that comes from Washington, this virus Far Exceeds anything coming from the politicians.
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You might want to ask why there wasn't all the melee, masking and lockdown during H1N1. You might not want to say it's worse since they didn't rev up the testing back then and testing/counting now leaves much to be desired ( a whole lot of goalpost moving and counting tricks being played).
 

Chet said:
If you are just concerned about "I" then no problem, but the pandemic is about "we". You can be a host to the virus and spread it to others where it can become an even worse variant as seems to be happening now, or you can be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
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When was your last TB test? TB is airborne & very contagious. You can be a carrier & spread it to others & be part of the problem.
There are many other contagious illnesses you should test for daily before leaving your house - to protect others.
 
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Don M. said:
It will be years before all the evidence surrounding this virus, and the effectiveness/long term effects of the vaccines are known. That is Years that we May Not have. The choice then boils down to either believing what is currently known by the professionals who study these things, or taking a chance and waiting for years....in which case, this virus could do a pretty good job of "population control".

Personally, since we are Not medical/scientific experts, we chose to get the Moderna vaccines earlier this year, and we are doing fine.
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Don,

I sincerely respect your decision. I really do. It's a perfectly rational solution for you.

All I ask is that you afford me and others the right to make the same decision for ourselves based on our own personal facts and circumstances. My doctor advised me to hold off on the vaccine because of my medical history. I would hope you could understand that.
 

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feywon said:
You do make reasonable points. It is an individual choice, but keep in mind every single case of the virus (and it already has produced variants) is an opportunity for mutation.
As long as you don't put yourself or others at risk it is your business. And also as long as you aren't rude or unpleasant to those of us who choose to continue wearing masks and wipe store cart handles down because--the variants are popping up and guess what i haven't had cold/flu symptoms for a year and half. Usually get at least one debilitating one a winter and a summer one that's just tiring. (i'll be 75 in month). i waited a couple of months to get the vax--doing more research and until the age group of my daughter, who lives with me, could be vaccinated at around same time.
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You have it a bit backwards. It is not the unvaccinated who are rude; it's the vaccinated who are rude & always trying to convince others to do as they do. That comes from their own shaky confidence in the vaccine as well as their need to feel superior.
 
Sassycakes said:
I got vaccinated after my Nephew got the covid in November. He has been in the hospital since getting it. He has had 2 lung transplants and has been on and off ventilators. Because of that my husband and I got vaccinated.
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Sassycakes, your family's experience should be repeated in big capital letters, as an answer to all the anti-vaxxers who believe all the scare-mongering fiction cooked up on the subject. How many people have any of us known or heard of, who had anything like this kind of awful devastating reaction to the harmless shot? (Yes, I know some people have had reactions. Very few have had bad reactions. Has anyone ever heard of someone needing a lung transplant,. being put on one of those hellish ventilators, and maybe dying anyway, as a result of a vaccine shot?)

As far as "somewhere down the line," it could turn out that anything at all "could" cause trouble years later. But right now, you have summed up what that illness does. And we know what it does, unfortunately for some, from real-life experience, not from imaginary fears that have been planted into our heads for whatever reason.
 
OscarW said:
All I ask is that you afford me and others the right to make the same decision for ourselves based on our own personal facts and circumstances. My doctor advised me to hold off on the vaccine because of my medical history. I would hope you could understand that.
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Certainly! There are some people, especially among the Seniors, who have pre-existing conditions that could cause problems if they get vaccinated. For those people, following their doctors advise is a Must. Many of the Seniors who have already died from this virus, and/or had reactions to the vaccines Already had other health issues. For such people, Caution is Well Advised.

Seniors, and pre-existing problems are a very minor part of the total effects of this virus. The overwhelming problems seem to be among those who think they are "bullet proof", and continue to ignore the consequences of their behavior.
 
Don M. said:
Certainly! There are some people, especially among the Seniors, who have pre-existing conditions that could cause problems if they get vaccinated. For those people, following their doctors advise is a Must. Many of the Seniors who have already died from this virus, and/or had reactions to the vaccines Already had other health issues. For such people, Caution is Well Advised.

Seniors, and pre-existing problems are a very minor part of the total effects of this virus. The overwhelming problems seem to be among those who think they are "bullet proof", and continue to ignore the consequences of their behavior.
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Obviously, you have decided they are "minor" to fit your narrative.
 
OscarW said:
Thanks for the warm welcome.

I was hoping to find some civility on this forum. Boy, was I wrong.
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Yes you were wrong, its sad. No respect for others decisions if your not vaccinated. I was told by my Doctor, "I'm not comfortable advising you to be vaccinated" due to my medical issues.

Be prepared to be labeled Anti vax, or have some imply your uneducated, live in a lower class area etc. LOL.

I believe its a personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I am not anti vax, I have had every other vaccine needed through my 70 years.

Welcome OscarW, your not alone. šŸŒ¹
 
Oscar, I agree. I got my first shot of Moderna on Jan. 12th. I went downhill for 4 months till May 20th SIL took me to hospital where I couldn't breathe. They tested me 3 times no Conav-19. They still treated me for it because the Cat scan showed my lungs were very bad.
It's taken till this week 7-20 to get about 1/2 my strength back.

If I had known that shot was going to almost kill me I would have NEVER got it. I don't blame those people that say NO to the shot.
 
Becky1951 said:
Yes you were wrong, its sad. No respect for others decisions if your not vaccinated. I was told by my Doctor, "I'm not comfortable advising you to be vaccinated" due to my medical issues.

Be prepared to be labeled Anti vax, or have some imply your uneducated, live in a lower class area etc. LOL.

I believe its a personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I am not anti vax, I have had every other vaccine needed through my 70 years.

Welcome OscarW, your not alone. šŸŒ¹
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Thank you Becky. I appreciate your note.

I suspect there are also a lot of nice people on this forum on both sides of this issue. I was hoping to lessen the divide between them.

Like you, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I believe in vaccines, particularly those that have received full FDA approval after years of testing.

I'd characterize my position as "pro-choice" as opposed to "anti-vax." I respect people who decide to get the vaccine. In fact, I eagerly await the day I can get it once I'm comfortable and my doctor gives me the green light.

Thanks again.
 
bingo said:
as an un vaccinated person.......myself...
ah...remember the "just say no" drug campaign.. .....
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See lot of comments on ( who you trust ) remember when the same experts said eggs are bad for you ( killing egg market ) then came back 6 months later and said eggs ok then same people said coffee is not good for you drink de-caf then came back and de-caf was not good remember the old encyclopedia - they had to send out new books every year to correct what the experts said. Yes WHO can you trust people are dieing from covid who have been vaccinated
 
Tom 86 said:
Oscar, I agree. I got my first shot of Moderna on Jan. 12th. I went downhill for 4 months till May 20th SIL took me to hospital where I couldn't breathe. They tested me 3 times no Conav-19. They still treated me for it because the Cat scan showed my lungs were very bad.
It's taken till this week 7-20 to get about 1/2 my strength back.

If I had known that shot was going to almost kill me I would have NEVER got it. I don't blame those people that say NO to the shot.
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Bummer dude.

I don't believe people like you should be cannon fodder in the war on Covid.

I hope you fully recover.
 
Don M. said:
Since you seem to have little to occupy your day, other than looking for any perceived detail that doesn't fit your agenda, I will Clarify my post.

"Seniors with pre-existing conditions who have died from this virus are a small fraction of the overall numbers."

Does that help?
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No. Repeating the same meaningless quote does not help. šŸ˜Š
 
My Mom will be 89 in two months. She has some health issues and wears a pacemaker. She got the vaccine months ago. First dose no reaction. Second dose slight fever and tired for 48 hrs. She's hardly slowing down and flew to visit relatives for the past 2 weeks. The flight was 4 hours and she has no problem wearing a mask. They sent me a pic a few days ago of her masked relaxing in a chair at a local nails store getting a pedicure.

Since I believe in science, I did not fall for injecting Clorox. Maybe for some, Clorox has been around for decades, so it's well tested. LOL. Anyway, I just came back from a grocery run. I wore my masked in Trader Joe's and I only saw one other customer with a mask. After storing my bags in the vehicle, I walked (still masked) half a block to a bakery and got some fresh pastry. I'm sure the employees appreciated it because they were masked.

To each their own but for me if a booster is advised for Moderna, I will try to be first in line.
 
Tom 86 said:
Oscar, I agree. I got my first shot of Moderna on Jan. 12th. I went downhill for 4 months till May 20th SIL took me to hospital where I couldn't breathe. They tested me 3 times no Conav-19. They still treated me for it because the Cat scan showed my lungs were very bad.
It's taken till this week 7-20 to get about 1/2 my strength back.

If I had known that shot was going to almost kill me I would have NEVER got it. I don't blame those people that say NO to the shot.
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OMG , Tom, how awful for you to suffer like this in your 80's ..I hope you eventually do regain your full strength but you must wish you'd never had it...
 
OscarW said:
Thank you Becky. I appreciate your note.

I suspect there are also a lot of nice people on this forum on both sides of this issue. I was hoping to lessen the divide between them.

Like you, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I believe in vaccines, particularly those that have received full FDA approval after years of testing.

I'd characterize my position as "pro-choice" as opposed to "anti-vax." I respect people who decide to get the vaccine. In fact, I eagerly await the day I can get it once I'm comfortable and my doctor gives me the green light.

Thanks again.
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Probably would've gone over better had you phrased the OP as your personal reasons. I'm unvaccinated due to existing health issues but don't agree with many of your OP statements. For instance, I don't feel like the seriousness of the disease for even otherwise health seniors is as low as you stated. I work in healthcare and have never known an epidemic to kill providers like this has. Also have never known of a disease to kill a wife on Monday and husband on Friday; these were parents of a good friend who were older seniors but did not have serious pre-existing health conditions.

I can't think of how the OP could possibly lessen a divide since some of the statements are so contrary to what both vaccinated and other unvaccinated people believe. I don't think there's much that can lessen the divide for most people. It's an issue in which people have picked sides, dug in their heels and have become more entrenched with each statement that contradicts their stance
 
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Sassycakes said:
I got vaccinated after my Nephew got the covid in November. He has been in the hospital since getting it. He has had 2 lung transplants and has been on and off ventilators. Because of that my husband and I got vaccinated.
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I'm sorry to hear about your nephew, that is horrible. I hope he pulls through. :( My sister's huband's brother died in the hospital from COVID-19, he never made it to the ventilator. But my husband and I got our vaccinations before he died, it just made sense to us, we got them once they were readily available in our area. The benefits outweigh the risks, if I do contract the coronavirus, at least with the vaccine I shouldn't be hospitalized or dead from it.
 

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