What can the world do to punish Russia?

Bretrick

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Immediately imprison all the people involved in Russian Embassies around the world.
Confiscate all finances held by Russian elite around the world.
Stop the Russian Elite from disembarking from airplanes or if they travel, imprison them immediately, freezing all their assets.
There must be many other ways to hurt them.
 

Immediately imprison all the people involved in Russian Embassies around the world.
Confiscate all finances held by Russian elite around the world.
Stop the Russian Elite from disembarking from airplanes or if they travel, imprison them immediately, freezing all their assets.
There must be many other ways to hurt them.
It is not a good idea to imprison diplomats because it puts all diplomats at risk in the future.
Even expelling them can be counter productive because we may need our diplomats in war zones to help our own citizens.

The financial sanctions are much safer. Germany has taken action against the second gas pipeline from Russia which will hurt Russia but also Germany so that is a brave and noble act because it involves some sacrifice. Every effective action will have some blow back but we need to have strong resolve if we really want to be effective.

We can attack them in a cyber war but again, do we know what they will do to us in return? Are we prepared for cyber warfare? Security is important and that is why we cannot know how that will work, or if it will work.
 

Block them from the world wide web and plan cyber attacks on their military.

They already have malware in place to knock out our grid in a cyber attack. Doubt they'll hesitate to use it if we do. Also, Putin is smart enough to know if he preemptively hits us, American leaders will back off.

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-gru-hackers-us-grid/

More recent article from Bloomberg but it's behind a pay wall. If anyone has a subscription, would love to see an excerpt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ckers-cyberattack-the-u-s-electric-power-grid
 
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I agree with @Warrigal what we can effectively do is limited. The diplomat thing is real, we can't go after theirs if we want ours respected. The rich Russians are another story, we can go after them, I just don't know how much effect that will have on Putin.
The financial sanctions are much safer. Germany has taken action against the second gas pipeline from Russia which will hurt Russia but also Germany so that is a brave and noble act because it involves some sacrifice.
I agree, but this may hurt Germany more that Russia. Russia has a larger and more friendly market for their gas in China.
We can attack them in a cyber war but again, do we know what they will do to us in return? Are we prepared for cyber warfare? Security is important and that is why we cannot know how that will work, or if it will work.
This may be our most reasonable option, but as Warrigal points out we are not really quite sure what we'd be getting ourselves into. I suspect we are more dependent on high tech than the Russians, we probably have more to lose. Just not sure how well we can protect it.

I sure hope cooler heads will prevail, but am not sure that is realistic...
 
With the huge amount of Russians who live in the U.S. and London, and other European countries I've always felt some of them are sleepers set up decades ago to be there when necessary influencing the societies they inhabit, especially legitimate emigres.
 
They already have malware in place to knock out our grid in a cyber attack. Doubt they'll hesitate to use it if we do. Also, Putin is smart enough to know if he preemptively hits us, American leaders will back off.

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-gru-hackers-us-grid/

More recent article from Bloomberg but it's behind a pay wall. If anyone has a subscription, would love to see an excerpt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ckers-cyberattack-the-u-s-electric-power-grid
It tells about a government group called DARPA which does practice runs to see what would happen if hackers knocked out grids:
The drills on Plum Island starkly illustrated the chaos hackers could unleash. Attackers hijacked critical safety equipment, shut down communications, and sent fake data to confuse operators making crucial decisions. Utilities that were once confident they could keep from being hacked are no longer so sure. “What we’ve seen as a country is the adversary is going to be successful,” says Walter Weiss, Radics’ program manager. “The issue then is, what do you do next?”

I don't have a subscription but I guess I still have a few freebies.

relates to What Happens When Russian Hackers Come for the Electrical Grid

A view of Plum Island from the Cross Sound Ferry in Orient, N.Y.
Photographer: Bryan Anselm for Bloomberg Businessweek
 
Right or wrong but watching Vladimir Putin really reminds me of Adolf Hitler. Hitler keep invading this country and that country until finally he invaded Poland on September 1, 1939 and then the world finally woke up. Now, Putin may not want all of Europe but he sure would love to plant the Russian flag all over Ukraine. The problem is how to stop a power hungry dictator in 2022? The solution is not all that easy. I know I don't have the answer.
 
I'm hoping that it doesn't embolden China to take over Taiwan.
It well might... And we are in a weak position with respect to that. We and very few other countries recognize Taiwan as an independent country...

Makes official response hard. It is different from Ukraine which is recognized as an independent country by most all the world.
 
What Can The World do to Punish Russia?

There is a bigger concern Putin has that overshadows any punishments from multiple countries via sanctions he has against him. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was driven by an obsession to restore Russia to national greatness by dragging everyone around Russia down.
His obsession goes back to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991which Putin saw as a disaster. And what Putin has been driven by since that time to restore.

You're seeing this sustained campaign against any of the former territories of the Soviet Union. Putin wants to restore Russian influence. And nothing is going to stop him now. Former negotiations kept him at bay but now he sees Europe and the US as weak for many reasons, which are political so I won't go into (hint: lack of leadership). That's why he's striking now...despite threats of sanctions from US and Europe.

Don't get me wrong. Sanctions will hurt Russia but Putin is keeping his eye on the prize. He's a sly fox to put it mildly.
 
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The UK is to impose its “largest ever” set of economic sanctions on Russia, including pushing to end Russia’s use of the Swift international payment systems, freezing assets of all major Russian banks, limiting cash held by Russian nationals in UK banks and sanctioning more than 100 individuals and entities, our chief political correspondent, Jessica Elgot, reports.


Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries.


Announcing a package of sanctions that Johnson had promised would “hobble” Russia’s economy, the PM said legislation would be tabled on Tuesday to ban major Russian companies from raising finance on UK markets and to prevent Russia from raising sovereign debt on UK markets.
The sanctions include more key oligarchs who will have assets frozen, though sources said more names – including what they said would be more recognisable figures – would be released in the coming weeks.


The prime minister announced 10 measures the UK was taking immediately. The UK will freeze assets of all major Russian banks including VTB, the country’s second largest bank with assets totalling £154bn.


Individual sanctions will be imposed on more than 100 individuals, entities and subsidiaries, including Rostec, the country’s biggest defence company, which exports £10bn in arms a year, as well as four other defence companies.


Oligarchs who will be sanctioned include Putin’s former son-in-law Kirill Shamalov, Russia’s youngest billionaire; Denis Bortnikov, the chair of VTB Bank’s management board; and Yury Slyusar, the director of the United Aircraft Corporation. The Russian airline Aeroflot will be banned from landing in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ladimir-putin-explosions-bombing-kyiv-kharkiv
 
What can the world do to punish Russia?
We don't really want to punish the Russian people, that would backfire and cause them to rally behind Putin.
Putin is a master 'chess player', his years in the KGB helped hone those skills. It took years to hunt down and kill Bin Laden, who was just some scruffy dude hiding in 3rd world conditions. Putin would be a much more difficult target.
 
We don't really want to punish the Russian people, that would backfire and cause them to rally behind Putin.
Putin is a master 'chess player', his years in the KGB helped hone those skills. It took years to hunt down and kill Bin Laden, who was just some scruffy dude hiding in 3rd world conditions. Putin would be a much more difficult target.
True..he doesn't even trust his own parliamentary politicians.... he has them sit at the very opposite of a long table while at a meeting with him...
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