What do you think about the new marijuana laws in Colorado ?

CeeCee

CeeCee

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Although I don't smoke and only tried it once in my life...I like the law.

I personally don't think that it's any worse than alcohol and at least they know what they are getting as opposed to something off the street.

I am all for medical marijuana, I believe if you need it you should be able to have it.

It is legal here in Fresno but a lot, of the shops are closing I think because of crime...not too sure about this because I don't follow it closely.
 

I thinks it's long overdue, this should have happened in the 80s as far as I'm concerned. They'll tax it heavily though, as they did with cigarettes and other things. I smoked a little when I was young, but haven't for a long time. Although I'm not against it at all, and would use it again if I was in the mood.

I am completely for medical marijuana, too many cases of people it has helped, to ignore. Pain treatment with cannabis oil has been very effective. The folks against pot will always be, regardless of the positive aspects. They'd rather have the government fight a bogus 'war on drugs', than make it legal and reap the profits, and keep small time users out of the pokey.
 
Pretty much everything that SeaBreeze said, with the addendum that I smoked like a fiend for many years.

And I'm still here. And I'm not addicted. And I rarely get sick. And I never went through withdrawal. And it didn't serve as the gateway to heroin. And it didn't lead to a life of crime.

Not sure how Fresno is set up, but the shops might be closing because of Federal pressure. There's still that Fed/state thing going on where it can be legal in the state yet illegal in the Fed, as it still is in Colorado and Washington.

The idea that street weed is laced with Buddha-knows-what is a common but erroneous one. First, weed is the most inexpensive of all street drugs - why would you lace it with something more expensive? Second, most smokers are going to buy from the same source so there's a matter of knowing who you're buying from, which is as important in the drug world as it is in the grocery-shopping or car-buying world.

Medical marijuana is indeed an effective treatment for many illnesses and symptoms, but as with any prescription drug its usage can be abused by insufficient safeguards within the system. Too many doctors writing 'scrips for anyone who comes in and claims to have anxiety. Now they're even dipping into into the medical stash to feed the recreational market, as happened with the brand-new shops in Denver just the other day.

There has to be a clear differentiation between the two, or the system is going to encounter a lot of problems. I don't necessarily trust the government to assure the purity of my weed - look what they've done with tobacco - so I would prefer either growing my own or buying from a trusted gray-market supplier.
 

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SifuPhil said:
Pretty much everything that SeaBreeze said, with the addendum that I smoked like a fiend for many years.

And I'm still here. And I'm not addicted. And I rarely get sick. And I never went through withdrawal. And it didn't serve as the gateway to heroin. And it didn't lead to a life of crime.

Not sure how Fresno is set up, but the shops might be closing because of Federal pressure. There's still that Fed/state thing going on where it can be legal in the state yet illegal in the Fed, as it still is in Colorado and Washington.

The idea that street weed is laced with Buddha-knows-what is a common but erroneous one. First, weed is the most inexpensive of all street drugs - why would you lace it with something more expensive? Second, most smokers are going to buy from the same source so there's a matter of knowing who you're buying from, which is as important in the drug world as it is in the grocery-shopping or car-buying world.

Medical marijuana is indeed an effective treatment for many illnesses and symptoms, but as with any prescription drug its usage can be abused by insufficient safeguards within the system. Too many doctors writing 'scrips for anyone who comes in and claims to have anxiety. Now they're even dipping into into the medical stash to feed the recreational market, as happened with the brand-new shops in Denver just the other day.

There has to be a clear differentiation between the two, or the system is going to encounter a lot of problems. I don't necessarily trust the government to assure the purity of my weed - look what they've done with tobacco - so I would prefer either growing my own or buying from a trusted gray-market supplier.
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well since I don't use itI didn't know about the purity of it on the street, but what you say makes sense.

In CO. Is it individual shop owners or the govt supplying the marijuana?
 
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SeaBreeze said:
I thinks it's long overdue, this should have happened in the 80s as far as I'm concerned. They'll tax it heavily though, as they did with cigarettes and other things. I smoked a little when I was young, but haven't for a long time. Although I'm not against it at all, and would use it again if I was in the mood.

I am completely for medical marijuana, too many cases of people it has helped, to ignore. Pain treatment with cannabis oil has been very effective. The folks against pot will always be, regardless of the positive aspects. They'd rather have the government fight a bogus 'war on drugs', than make it legal and reap the profits, and keep small time users out of the pokey.
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In response to SeaBreeze, I agree whole heartedly. Medical Marijuana will help many more people than it can hurt. With proper government control all can benefit. We will have created a new source of taxation, relieved pain and suffering for many, and created a legal loophole for some. We will be able to re-focus are efforts on the stronger drugs like cocaine and heroine. I think that this new change will be 90% effective and will create a much needed new source of income so possibly the government can finally pay back all the money they borrowed from social security. This can insure that social security and Medicare don't bankrupt the county and can continue for a long time.:cool:
 
It's my understand that the individual shop owners have their own source of growers/suppliers. Glad that government isn't providing it, it would soon be GMO, laced with chemicals, etc. I think that anyone can grow their own also, something like 6 plants per user for their own use.
 
SeaBreeze said:
It's my understand that the individual shop owners have their own source of growers/suppliers. Glad that government isn't providing it, it would soon be GMO, laced with chemicals, etc. I think that anyone can grow their own also, something like 6 plants per user for their own use.
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The newness of legal marijuana is such that the state, county and local laws are still in a state of flux, to say nothing of the Federal designation of weed as a Schedule 1 narcotic.

The current law in California for commercial growers is just one example of such a hodgepodge. Some counties allow it, some don't; some charge for licenses, some don't. California has also had a rash of incidents where a potential grower purchases a license (thousands of dollars per year), gets ready to open and then finds that the town/county rules have changed and everything he's done is now useless.

Colorado and Washington have their own rules for licensing and allowable quantities to be grown. At this point you really need to hire a consultant and retain legal council in order to protect your investment, which for even a moderate-sized grow is going to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

As you mentioned there is also the personal grow limits, which also change as you change location, but 6 is a good average - per person. So if you have 4 people with medical cards living in the same house they can grow 24 plants. Sometimes this is broken down legally into 50% new growth / 50% mature plants.

It's going to take a while for everything to shake out even just in these few states, let alone the country, and the Feds continuing damnation of weed is only going to make it harder, but eventually we can hope to see it legalized throughout all 50 states.
 
I think its a dumb and stupid idea that will be eventually regretted.

I briefly used it in my tear-away youth until a bad experience made me stop. Comparisons to alcohol are trotted out by those in favour but there are studies that suggest marijuana use leads to experimentation with harder, more addictive and harmful drugs for those looking for a greater 'high' and most importantly its long-term use is linked to schizophrenia.

I invited some new neighbours to a barbecue some years ago, and this subject arose. He said he was a regular user (and grower) for pain from a supposed bad back. I closely listened to him and watched him throughout the afternoon and formed the opinion he was a weak loser using the bad back routine to grow and smoke dope in front of his wife and kids and was many cents short of a dollar.

Needless to say I've had nothing more to do with them, apart from report him to the drug squad and child protective services
 
Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

i have read stats where a driver that has smoked marijuana is no more impaired than one that hasn't but a driver who has consumed alcohol is impaired.


plus I think this allows the police to focus more on the hard drugs and not fill up jails or courts with the minor pot charges.

Also, I think that someone who is going to use hard drugs will anyway wether they start with marijuana or not...some don't even smoke pot...some go from drinking to other drugs.

Also...I am talking about adults, not teenagers getting pot legally.
 
Never smoked it other than passively from the potheads I worked with lighting up when and where they shouldn't.

Didn't appeal me as a recreation at all but am 100% for it's medical use. Still doesn't appeal, but the time may be coming when I could use a boost and at least I know where to find it, legal or not.

I've seen a friend's journey from managing a TAB (betting shop) to losing that job, working for the Railways and eventually becoming too addle headed to even deliver a telegram to the right office. It fried her brain, slowly but surely.
And a boss' son who ended up in a psycho ward doing time for sticking up a bar with a plastic water pistol. Hell he was so high he thought it was a shotgun. He was ruled mentally unfit to qualify even for normal prison life. He was a ripe old 19 by the time it fried his. One of the few bosses I felt sorry for. But was it the grass, or was the kid already wired to short circuit? Who knows.

I also know people who have smoked it, moderately, for 40 years with little or no discernible affect at all. They are the same personalities they always were, all held down responsible jobs, and are still nobody's fools.

As with many things it depends on the person's capacity to handle it and on the strength and amount of intake.

I have no more objection to legalizing it than I do to alcohol... BUT... with the same restrictions. Drugged or Drunk behind the wheel is a hanging offence in my book.
Blowing the vibes around in public places needs to be under the same restrictions imposed on tobacco smokers, even though it smells a lot better. (and I'm a baccy smoker.)
No selling it to kids.

Otherwise, go for your lives. Just don't expect to pay for it from the dole money, being a pothead shouldn't be a qualification to bludge.

Legalization will at least cut the legs from under the dealers and remove their conduit to suckers who become harder substance buyers in the future.
 
I'm pretty sure the laws are fairly strict ...I know you can only use it in private and only buy a certain amount.

I have a sister in Colorado, maybe I should visit her and find out more, lol....I'd be too chicken though I think.

Ive certainly thought of medical marijuana though for my back pain.

This law is all very new...we will have to see how it goes.
 
CeeCee said:
I am all for medical marijuana, I believe if you need it you should be able to have it.
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Me too but like any new laws,they are useless after a few years and everybodys breaking those.Then everybody that wants it its available with your food stamps.
 
Colorado even has signs up at the airports, warning travelers that although they can use while in the state they can't carry it in or out.

Di -

But was it the grass, or was the kid already wired to short circuit?
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According to the majority of studies pure, unadulterated grass does not lead to such psychotic episodes. That's the province of coke, heroin, bath salts and meth. A lot of hard-drug using perps will blame the weed instead, thinking they'll get a lesser sentence.

What a lot of people don't understand is that most varieties ("strains") of weed produce a mellowing, chilling-out effect; you have neither the energy nor the desire to rob a bank - it seems like too much trouble compared to flopping down on the couch, breaking out the chips and watching a Dr. Who marathon.

Someone whose character has holes in it is going to mess up, and it doesn't really matter what vehicle they use to do so - grass, alcohol, meth, whatever. They're on a collision course from the moment they're born, but everyone points to the weed as being the reason. It's an easy thing to do, doesn't require much brain power or analytical ability, and is the favored interpretation of the Prohibitionists.
 
SifuPhil said:
Someone whose character has holes in it is going to mess up, and it doesn't really matter what vehicle they use to do so - grass, alcohol, meth, whatever. They're on a collision course from the moment they're born, but everyone points to the weed as being the reason. It's an easy thing to do, doesn't require much brain power or analytical ability, and is the favored interpretation of the Prohibitionists.
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And the "whatever" must include "legal" prescription drugs that many young people are one when they kill others or commit suicide. :xbone:
 
They had all their substance abuse problems solved in some of the Koori settlements. Banned alchohol and drugs of all ilk.
So the kids all got high by sniffin' petrol fumes which did even more damage a lot faster. Hard to ban petrol out there where the only other option is walking 200ks to the shop.

The fact that people feel that they need drugs and booze and buzzes indicates that something isn't right with their world to start with doesn't it?

Availability of a product doesn't motivate people who don't want it to suddenly acquire an addictive taste for it.

... well Chocolate maybe, but.....
 
I definitely think that it should be available for medical use for anyone who needs/wants it for that. I also think that people should be allowed to have some for personal use, whether it is medical or recreational use. I think you should be allowed to grow your own for personal use if you are so inclined, as well.
I only tried it a few times, many years ago, and it made me so disoriented that i was not functional, and couldn't even really carry on a conversation. However, my ex was one of those people who believed that a lot was never enough, so if I had been trying it on my own, and done a little bit at a time, I probably would have done better.

Nothing is good when overdone, alcohol, drugs, even apple pie; so I think if pot is used sensibly, then it would be no worse for us than many of the things we now use that are legal.
Plus, there has been a lot of evidence that it does help for medical use, and i would not hesitate to try it and see if it helped with pain management.
 
A few years ago we used to live nextdoor to 2 brothers who were both big drinkers and
heavy smokers of dope.

The younger one, mind you, we could never understand what he was talking about most of
the time as he was so high, giggled and mumbled at the same time, had a brain
bleed when he was in his early 20s, continued smoking dope, then had another in his early 40s

After the last bleed, while recovering in hospital, he suffered a stroke.....bit too much of a
co-incidence to me......he's now in his 50s and being cared for by his elderly mum.

The older one, still a heavy dope smoker and drinker, is so paranoid, extremely agro
and unbelievably hard to get on with, co-incidence? I don't think so, but maybe I am being
judgemental?

Neither of them seemed to think they were addicted to the weed.

As for legalizing the stuff, doesn't worry me either way.
 
Addiction is a big debate concerning weed. There have always been and will probably always be studies that support both sides, but I can only go by personal experience - no addiction. Same with alcohol - no addiction.

And I did plenty of both to achieve it.

Casper, in your scenario I would be more inclined to blame the alcohol for the behavioral mods - I've had extensive experience dealing with both stoners and drunks, and of the two the drunks are far more likely to develop aggressive attitudes. Just look at the difference between a stoned driver and a drunk one - the stoner will probably sit in the car without turning it on, listen to the radio for a while, then take off at 20 MPH. Their errors will be ones of slow speed, resulting in far less accidents and injuries than the drunks, who immediately mash the accelerator with the assuredness that only alcohol can give.

During my bouncing years I dealt with both drunks and stoners. The stoners, 9 times out of ten I could talk them out of whatever trouble they got into. It was always something minor, like wandering into the girl's bathroom or falling asleep at the bar.

The drunks? They were far more likely to get into fights, pull weapons and generally act like world-class a-holes.

I stick with my opinion that any substance is only going to magnify whatever character faults are already present.
 
SifuPhil said:
Addiction is a big debate concerning weed. There have always been and will probably always be studies that support both sides, but I can only go by personal experience - no addiction. Same with alcohol - no addiction.

And I did plenty of both to achieve it.

Casper, in your scenario I would be more inclined to blame the alcohol for the behavioral mods - I've had extensive experience dealing with both stoners and drunks, and of the two the drunks are far more likely to develop aggressive attitudes.
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Phil, I believe this can be true in many cases but these 2 we knew would smoke a few cones
of this stuff before they started their daily drinking and their attitudes were the same.


SifuPhil said:
The drunks? They were far more likely to get into fights, pull weapons and generally act like world-class a-holes.

I stick with my opinion that any substance is only going to magnify whatever character faults are already present.
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I do agree with both of these statements though.
 
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