What happens after you die - Live life for yourself

Within our formerly organic bodies that decays into a chaos of random molecules, we mortal organics become non-existence nothing for eternity. The saddest reality imaginable for a loving existence enjoying intelligent mortal entity.

If such is possible, as Jesus said, our only possible redeemer, we must first truly die before being reborn into a very different spirit body existence. As such, despite the seeming physical unimaginable impossibility at our current level of science, given my own understanding of neuroscience, I do see how the oscillating standing wave electromagnetic fields I believe is mind, might be physically possibly transferred into non-organic impedance matching containers by a race of ancient ultimate intelligent entities, as they would have immense reasons to create such for those they loved.

And despite doubts, this person for the sake of my own possible eternal life, has chosen to believe and live my remaining limited life for that purpose.
 

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David777 said:
If such is possible, as Jesus said, our only possible redeemer, we must first truly die before being reborn into a very different spirit body existence.
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I've always been fascinated by Jesus' short time on earth between his death on the cross and his ascension into Heaven. His apostles didn't recognize him at first and he told them not to touch him. It's as though He had organized those random molecules into a delicate temporary covering.
 
Le me tell you about my 3 year old grandson,Jeremy. I had custody of him. We lived in Va in a place where the Chancellorsville civil war had taken place. There were pathways to walk and trenches on the sides where the men would huddle during the fighting. I took Jeremy and my dog on a casual walk one day and we turned around to walk home. I turned to look and called to Jeremy to catch up.

He was standing still on the path staring into the woods and i called to him as I walked over. I asked him to come along, and he stared into the woods and said these words I will never forget: Men, all dead." I asked him 'what?" and he said it again. So I gently explained that had been a war there a long time ago. I will never forget that.
 
David777 said:
Within our formerly organic bodies that decays into a chaos of random molecules, we mortal organics become non-existence nothing for eternity. The saddest reality imaginable for a loving existence enjoying intelligent mortal entity.

If such is possible, as Jesus said, our only possible redeemer, we must first truly die before being reborn into a very different spirit body existence. As such, despite the seeming physical unimaginable impossibility at our current level of science, given my own understanding of neuroscience, I do see how the oscillating standing wave electromagnetic fields I believe is mind, might be physically possibly transferred into non-organic impedance matching containers by a race of ancient ultimate intelligent entities, as they would have immense reasons to create such for those they loved.

And despite doubts, this person for the sake of my own possible eternal life, has chosen to believe and live my remaining limited life for that purpose.
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The only thing wrong with your equation is that you aren't factoring in that energy never disappears. It just changes form and that goes for everyone of us. It's called the 'law of conservation of energy'. Energy is not created or destroyed, it just changes form. And every thought, every memory of yours is energy. Electrical impulses constantly pushing their way to the forefront of your reality.

There's a scientist named Dr. Robert Lanza (voted by Time magazine as the 'world's most influential thinker in 2007') who believes that consciousness has created the universe rather than the other way around. So while the organics may disintegrate, it seems to me that he's suggesting that the energy(mind) that is you doesn't disappear or end.



Robert Lanza, M.D. - Biocentrism |
 
More and more I'm getting the idea that the Christians on the board aren't granted the same freedom of speech as everyone else.

Every few days someone starts an anti-Christian thread and anyone who wants to can say that every Christian they ever met was a hypocrite or that Christians are more judgmental than everyone else or that all Christian pastors are greedy, and anyone stupid enough to believe in Jesus must still believe in Santa Clause.

Stereotypes, sweeping generalizations and loads of bigotry against Christianity, but I've noticed no one has ever dared to start an anti-Semitic thread or an anti-Muslim thread, or anti-Hindu, it's always Christianity.

Fine. If that's who you hate then you be you, but please allow me to say an occasional word or two indicating that I'm a Christian without acting like I'm shoving my religion down your throat. It's "freedom of religion," not "freedom from religion," so suck it up.
 
Of course, my terse input doesn't explain my physics ideas more fully. Each second, trillions of solar neutrinos pass through our bodies and continue all the way through the planet without hitting anything. A testament to how small matter can be within seemingly solid matter that is itself mostly empty, so how special scanning rays to create an XYZ 3-dimensional result might work. Thus it might be possible for an advanced ancient race to XYZ scan our electromagnetic brain wave field organic neural structures of selected individuals to be saved in order to recreate them within some non-organic else.

All 3 synoptic gospels recorded the transfiguration and Peter 2 refers to it. Jesus takes Peter, James, son of Zebedee, and James' brother John the Apostle with him and goes up to a mountain, where long otherwise dead prophets, Elijah and Moses, appear with Jesus that is a subtle yet clear Bible indication, for what that is worth, that at least some long dead have somehow been saved from death via a process since the earliest Genesis era. Most Christians and church dogmas don't recognize how immensely important that event bears on possible eternal life and the physical form such might take because they tend to believe ho hum, anything is possible via magic like OOO ideas.
 
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Della said:
More and more I'm getting the idea that the Christians on the board aren't granted the same freedom of speech as everyone else.

Every few days someone starts an anti-Christian thread and anyone who wants to can say that every Christian they ever met was a hypocrite or that Christians are more judgmental than everyone else or that all Christian pastors are greedy, and anyone stupid enough to believe in Jesus must still believe in Santa Clause.

Stereotypes, sweeping generalizations and loads of bigotry against Christianity, but I've noticed no one has ever dared to start an anti-Semitic thread or an anti-Muslim thread, or anti-Hindu, it's always Christianity.

Fine. If that's who you hate then you be you, but please allow me to say an occasional word or two indicating that I'm a Christian without acting like I'm shoving my religion down your throat. It's "freedom of religion," not "freedom from religion," so suck it up.
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I'm sorry you feel like that Della. I hope I haven't been one of those people who've made you feel ostracized. The only thing I can think is that because not all of us are Christians (I used to be) and maybe some of the responses you've seen here, are coming from folks who have had a very negative interaction with someone who loudly proclaimed their own religion all the while, doing them harm or demonstrating truly un-Christ like behaviour.

Also maybe the reason you aren't seeing any anti-Semitic or ant-Muslim.... threads is because A. There haven't been any stories to comment on lately in the media and B. most/some (?) of us don't know any Jewish or Muslim people to have had experiences with. Although I'm sure that some might have considered the discussion concerning what is going on between the Israeli's and Palestinians, anti-Semitic to a degree even where it wasn't meant that way.

Personally, I'm more than happy to have you weigh in on any subject and to you being guided by your faith in your response. But at the same time, don't expect an automatic agreement because we're all coming from different 'faith' experiences.
 
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Is that really true? Or just a generalization perceived because you belong to the Christian community so you're highly sensitized? Not all of us are Christians (I used to be) and maybe some of the responses you've seen here, are coming from folks who have had a very negative interaction with someone who loudly proclaimed their own religion all the while, doing them harm or demonstrating truly un-Christ like behaviour. And maybe the reason you aren't seeing any anti-Semitic or ant-Muslim.... threads is because A. There haven't been any stories to comment on lately in the media and B. most/some (?) of us don't know any Jewish or Muslim people to have had experiences with.

Personally, I'm more than happy to have you weigh in on any subject and to you being guided by your faith in your response. But at the same time, don't expect an automatic agreement because we're all coming from different 'faith' experiences.
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Yes, I think it's true.

I certainly don't expect agreement and never have.

Yes, you're right a lot of the responses I've seen here are from folks who have had negative experiences with Christians. I've had some bosses and co-workers who were non-believers who were horrible, sexual harassment and even physical abuse on the job. The difference is it never occurred to me to judge all atheists by those people.

However, if you read what I said, I was not asking that people who dislike Christians refrain from stating their views. What I was asking is that when I state my Christian viewpoint the non-believers don't get all huffy and act as though I'm proselytizing.
 
Della said:
Yes, I think it's true.

I certainly don't expect agreement and never have.

Yes, you're right a lot of the responses I've seen here are from folks who have had negative experiences with Christians. I've had some bosses and co-workers who were non-believers who were horrible, sexual harassment and even physical abuse on the job. The difference is it never occurred to me to judge all atheists by those people.

However, if you read what I said, I was not asking that people who dislike Christians refrain from stating their views. What I was asking is that when I state my Christian viewpoint the non-believers don't get all huffy and act as though I'm proselytizing.
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I suppose that perhaps that last reaction you mentioned, might be because we've all had the knock on the door only to discover it's not a friend dropping by for a visit, but some father/son duo standing there with a handful of pamphlets (and they aren't all of the JW faith). So maybe that's why the awkward response to comments from Christians. That's all I can think of. Anyway, I know I'll make a point of checking my responses in the future just to be sure that I'm being fair and reasonable Della.
 
When anyone relates their experience with God through an organized religion and speaks as though their view is superior to others, then it becomes a problem. It is fine to speak of God through your particular religion, being aware that it is your personal view, not a universal truth.
 
Live your life for yourself......that was the opening title of this thread. We've kind of strayed from that question through the discussion, so to drag it back, the thought occurred to me that even in living our lives for ourselves, if you can accept the idea that this life might be a revolving door kind of situation, maybe the very act of living life for ourselves, should include extending kindness and love to others (not just meaning family or significant other's, but people in general), because ultimately, it all comes back to us. Call it karma, cause and effect or whatever, we still all do better if we're taking other people into consideration to a degree, when we make life decisions.
 
Yea, that would be quite a copout to do as I please without regard to others, and use them, and abuse them when I wanted to because this life is meaningless, and there is no reward or punishment. Or even try to get away with getting the most for myself, using most of my energy to better my circumstance and hurting other people in the process. If there is no punishment, why not? So the reality is we all do live for ourselves at times, and we don't get caught.? :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
When anyone relates their experience with God through an organized religion and speaks as though their view is superior to others, then it becomes a problem. It is fine to speak of God through your particular religion, being aware that it is your personal view, not a universal truth.
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I thought the opening question was what happens after you die.

So if you try to answer that question according to what you've experienced through an "organized religion" you shouldn't mention it, (how common) but if you had an experience with God sitting by the ocean then that's really cool and we all want to hear it. That apparently is the universal truth.
 
Della said:
I thought the opening question was what happens after you die.

So if you try to answer that question according to what you've experienced through an "organized religion" you shouldn't mention it, (how common) but if you had an experience with God sitting by the ocean then that's really cool and we all want to hear it. That apparently is the universal truth.
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For sure. I was thinking more in line with what people believe happens to us after we die could be taught in their religion. That is what they believe will happen. I don't think anyone knows for sure. If you have had an experience of the afterlife that is something that only you could talk about, and people experiencing God while they are living is quite common. Until someone actually dies and comes back from the dead, we will never know. Now this is where it could get nasty. :)
 
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