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I wasn't really aware or intellectual at age 17-18-19. Once in Vietnam I did development some perspective on life...
What is required in your opinion to refer to a powerful intelligent entity as a "god"?
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My second husband said he believed in god until he went to Vietnam. He didn’t understand how anyone could after that. If there is a god and they let massacres happen like the holocaust I don’t want anything to do with them.
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I'm 70 years old. I don't believe in a god. It just doesn't make sense. I hope to find out when my time here ends, what this life was for.
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As soon as I saw your post I knew it was a brand new membership.
We have an introduction thread for new members. Where are you from and how did you find us? Is it mere coincidence that this thread is the first thread that caught your attention?
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Your user name ‘oh really? … Did you pick that user name specifically for this thread?
By the way….when you die how are you going to find out what this life was for and from who? Your post is completely hypocritical
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There is no god, there are no gods with Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, attributes.
So although you didn't intend to answer my focused question, you did indirectly answer it if considering such as people dominantly use the term. And that is in part why I have posted the thread in order to help people think beyond that expectation of what an unlimited god is because in this science technology era, the pre-science religious explanations and dogma is nonsense . Yet that does not negate the possibility the OT/NT "god" are actually from a race of ultimate intelligent entities with limitations that DO NOT inspire we humans as much as claimed, nor correct what men write, nor ever explain what they actually are.
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Note, I am not one that does puts much credibility in the popular Anunnaki narratives.
@Nathan, you would greatly increase your understanding by watching this 14 minute video that brings clarity as to why religions with "gods" began after civilizations first rose. :
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No reason in particular that I chose this thread, or the username just for this thread. I like the username. it's easy to remember. I've been lurking for quite a while I like this forum.
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Maybe as I lean, there are no gods with Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, attributes. That the "world and everything" is the result of natural processes in our Universe. But as a science person, I can make strong arguments based on our own human rise in science over a geologically mere moment in time, that non-organic thus potentially immortal intelligent entities, would have with certainty risen given infinite eternal time through infinite space.If we believe this, then God created the world and everything but left US to fix it? I don't understand this logic. Can you explain how this is supposed to benefit anyone or anything. Forgive me if I sound irreverent but it makes God sound like an abusive parent.
And if so, they may have a hand in spreading life in this universe we exist within like occasional gardeners that are generally hands off, non-interfering. Thus not the kind of "god" religions claim. I can deliver significant arguments that the Earth has been engineered and the universe we live in is strangely fine tuned. Read item #5 in the below transcript of Brian Cox's excellent Youtube presentation.
Brian Cox new (where are they [aliens] ?) video
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When I was very young I had great difficulty distinguishing between Santa Claus and God. I still do.
Both reportedly benevolent, all-seeing, all-knowing entities encouraged people to be morally good and kind to one another, providing rewards to those who followed those guidelines, and meting out punishment (or at least fewer rewards) to those who weren't even trying.
Even at tender young ages, I observed a lot of disconnect between behaviors and rewards/punishments via Christmas gifts and life miseries. Seemed there were some pretty sloppy, accounting systems afoot.
I can't say whether I believe in God or not - the jury remains out for me. I hope he/she is real but fear not.
Both reportedly benevolent, all-seeing, all-knowing entities encouraged people to be morally good and kind to one another, providing rewards to those who followed those guidelines, and meting out punishment (or at least fewer rewards) to those who weren't even trying.
Even at tender young ages, I observed a lot of disconnect between behaviors and rewards/punishments via Christmas gifts and life miseries. Seemed there were some pretty sloppy, accounting systems afoot.
I can't say whether I believe in God or not - the jury remains out for me. I hope he/she is real but fear not.
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It is common for people to be angry at God for "letting" bad things happen. The question occurs to me right this moment: what if there were no god or belief in god, who would be to blame for the horrific atrocities in the world? Well, it would be whosoever it was that caused the horror and atrocities would be to blame. Maybe that's where the blame really belongs, rather than toward God.
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I think it's the idea that there is a being who COULD intervene but apparently chooses not to.
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Oh for sure, I get that. But then we have to come back to a critical question: Would we as humans prefer the "Garden of Eden", where everything's perfect and pre-determined, or have the freedom to "eat the apple", as the parable of Adam and Eve describes?
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There's a big leap between a being micromanaging a planet to keep everything in perfect balance, and allowing Hitler and other mass murderers of innocents to go largely unchecked for years or decades.
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I never bought into the micro-managing expectation like some Christians do.
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As humans, we have finite minds, attempting to comprehend an infinite Trinity.
"God" is just a name. Often as I sit in the sanctuary of my backyard, I watch many birds flutter about. To each I could give a name ... Pete, Sam, Jeanette, Suzie ... and what if I told you, "Pete came to my house today. He spoke a language I could not understand and he can fly. I saw it for myself !!!" ... would you believe me?
The origin of the word "God" is a bit enigmatic. Our English version of the word comes from a Greek word meaning “to pour,” but may also have been influenced by a mix of other cultures and languages. However, of course, the concept of God existed long before then.
In Hebrew, there are various names for God. Other names for God we see in the Old and New Testament as listed below, are Jehovah ... the existing one, Adonai ... Lord, Master and there are other names presented in the text ...
The question itself is actually misleading because of God’s eternal nature. God didn’t spontaneously appear; he’s always been there. When a Christian tends to establish God’s eternal nature, the atheist may follow-up with a different question, “But doesn’t everything have to be created to exist? So how can God exist if he wasn’t created?”
Again, that question can run into a number of problems. First, if something supposedly created God, then who created that being who created God? The series of beings creating the next being would go on ad infinitem. Which, of course, would be impossible.
God is the Creator of the Universe. Through him and by him, all things are made. He sustains every living thing. Every living thing is finite and contingent upon his existence. Because of his infinite nature, he is not reliant on anything for his existence.
To answer the question posed above, nothing created God. Nothing had to. If something always existed (eternal) then nothing can create it.
This is part of the reason why atheists may try to argue that the universe always existed, because then it wouldn’t need a Creator. Something eternal isn’t contingent. Of course, the Second Law of Thermodynamics shows the universe has a limited amount of energy and is therefore finite ... And therefore, it needed a Creator.
God is also our Father as well as Creator. He didn’t simply create everything, sit back, and let the world tick on its own, as a deist perspective might suggest. Instead, he made himself part of the narrative. And like a father, He gave us choices.
So if God is everlasting, where did he come from? The question is contradictory. God does not change, he does not move, and he didn’t come from somewhere. He always was, is, and will be for eternity.
This may prompt us to wonder what God was doing before Creation. After all, Creation started at a set point in time, and God, being eternal, is outside of time. So what did God do before He made the world? This question also misunderstands that when God created the Universe, he also created time. Time needs space and matter to exist, and neither existed until God created them. “Before creation” technically is a misnomer because God exists in eternity and isn’t bound by the constraints of a timeline. Time didn’t exist until God declared it to exist.
Still, we shouldn’t assume God was doing nothing. He had an eternal plan before Creation. It gets a little confusing, but as humans, we have finite minds, attempting to comprehend an infinite God.
There are two other difficult concepts to understand about God. First ... He’s all powerful (Omnipotent) and Second ... He’s all knowing (Omniscient). These two play into his eternal nature because if he wasn’t either, he would be finite. And if he’s finite, he’s dependent on something. And if God is dependent on something, that means perhaps we need to worship something greater than him. Lucky for us, God is both of those things, and therefore not finite in his power or wisdom.
So if God created the world, how do we know he’s any different than the gods of other religions? ... And that's a great question.
First, he wants a personal relationship with his creation. No other god is willing to come down in the form of man, suffer a horrendous death, for the sake of having a relationship with their creation. You do not see that in other religions.
Second, the religious texts for "our" God are scientifically, historically, and prophetically more accurate than the texts of any other religion. Although you can’t use a text as definitive proof of someone’s existence, it certainly bolsters the possibility.
Third, God is not dependent on his creation. Other religions (both monotheistic and polytheistic) run into a couple of theological issues. If the god is one and only one, then the god creates out of boredom or loneliness. That would make the god dependent on his creation. If there are many gods, then there is no one true powerful being, and therefore, they are finite in power. However, if God is one, but with three persons within the one (the Trinity) then God creates as an act of love, not necessity, and maintains His omnipotence.
We can see God in creation. The irreducible complexity of all creation points to intelligent design. The beauty and practicality of all creation shows God cares for those he creates and appreciates our beauty.
On a logical standpoint, we have to consider how the universe came into existence in the first place. Because of the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is finite. That means something infinite had to create it. And based on the mathematical patterns and complexity we see in creation, it had to be something all-powerful, personal, and eternal.
When I was 19 years old, I was struck by lightening and pulled toward a bright light. The experience was beyond my human finite comprehension and my mind tried to put the experience into a context I might understand. Much of the complexities of the experience still puzzle me these decades and a lifetime later. I met my higher power. He did not tell me His name and I did not ask ... there was already pretty much a bunch of things going on that I was trying to figure out
He and I had non verbal conversations either I don't remember the gist of or the conversations were on a whole different level beyond my understanding. However, there WAS one question he verbally asked and I remember quite well, "Do you want to go forth / forward or do you want to go back?" ... My answer was for totally unselfish reasons and I said, "I want to go back. She needs me." ... meaning a girl that I was and had been seeing for some time in a romantic relationship.
The one(1) verbal question that I was asked, following considerable non verbal communication left me with the lasting impression that He gives us choices. We have choices.
Considering my lifetime journey thus far, I would say the only reason I am here today is because my higher power has allowed it to be so. He has never abandoned me. I would call that a miracle.
"God" is just a name. Often as I sit in the sanctuary of my backyard, I watch many birds flutter about. To each I could give a name ... Pete, Sam, Jeanette, Suzie ... and what if I told you, "Pete came to my house today. He spoke a language I could not understand and he can fly. I saw it for myself !!!" ... would you believe me?
The origin of the word "God" is a bit enigmatic. Our English version of the word comes from a Greek word meaning “to pour,” but may also have been influenced by a mix of other cultures and languages. However, of course, the concept of God existed long before then.
In Hebrew, there are various names for God. Other names for God we see in the Old and New Testament as listed below, are Jehovah ... the existing one, Adonai ... Lord, Master and there are other names presented in the text ...
- El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
- El Elyon (The Most High God)
- Adonai (Lord, Master)
- Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
- Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
- Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
- Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
- Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
- Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
- Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
- El Olam (The Everlasting God)
- Elohim (God)
- Qanna (Jealous)
- Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
- Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
- Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)
The question itself is actually misleading because of God’s eternal nature. God didn’t spontaneously appear; he’s always been there. When a Christian tends to establish God’s eternal nature, the atheist may follow-up with a different question, “But doesn’t everything have to be created to exist? So how can God exist if he wasn’t created?”
Again, that question can run into a number of problems. First, if something supposedly created God, then who created that being who created God? The series of beings creating the next being would go on ad infinitem. Which, of course, would be impossible.
God is the Creator of the Universe. Through him and by him, all things are made. He sustains every living thing. Every living thing is finite and contingent upon his existence. Because of his infinite nature, he is not reliant on anything for his existence.
To answer the question posed above, nothing created God. Nothing had to. If something always existed (eternal) then nothing can create it.
This is part of the reason why atheists may try to argue that the universe always existed, because then it wouldn’t need a Creator. Something eternal isn’t contingent. Of course, the Second Law of Thermodynamics shows the universe has a limited amount of energy and is therefore finite ... And therefore, it needed a Creator.
God is also our Father as well as Creator. He didn’t simply create everything, sit back, and let the world tick on its own, as a deist perspective might suggest. Instead, he made himself part of the narrative. And like a father, He gave us choices.
So if God is everlasting, where did he come from? The question is contradictory. God does not change, he does not move, and he didn’t come from somewhere. He always was, is, and will be for eternity.
This may prompt us to wonder what God was doing before Creation. After all, Creation started at a set point in time, and God, being eternal, is outside of time. So what did God do before He made the world? This question also misunderstands that when God created the Universe, he also created time. Time needs space and matter to exist, and neither existed until God created them. “Before creation” technically is a misnomer because God exists in eternity and isn’t bound by the constraints of a timeline. Time didn’t exist until God declared it to exist.
Still, we shouldn’t assume God was doing nothing. He had an eternal plan before Creation. It gets a little confusing, but as humans, we have finite minds, attempting to comprehend an infinite God.
There are two other difficult concepts to understand about God. First ... He’s all powerful (Omnipotent) and Second ... He’s all knowing (Omniscient). These two play into his eternal nature because if he wasn’t either, he would be finite. And if he’s finite, he’s dependent on something. And if God is dependent on something, that means perhaps we need to worship something greater than him. Lucky for us, God is both of those things, and therefore not finite in his power or wisdom.
So if God created the world, how do we know he’s any different than the gods of other religions? ... And that's a great question.
First, he wants a personal relationship with his creation. No other god is willing to come down in the form of man, suffer a horrendous death, for the sake of having a relationship with their creation. You do not see that in other religions.
Second, the religious texts for "our" God are scientifically, historically, and prophetically more accurate than the texts of any other religion. Although you can’t use a text as definitive proof of someone’s existence, it certainly bolsters the possibility.
Third, God is not dependent on his creation. Other religions (both monotheistic and polytheistic) run into a couple of theological issues. If the god is one and only one, then the god creates out of boredom or loneliness. That would make the god dependent on his creation. If there are many gods, then there is no one true powerful being, and therefore, they are finite in power. However, if God is one, but with three persons within the one (the Trinity) then God creates as an act of love, not necessity, and maintains His omnipotence.
We can see God in creation. The irreducible complexity of all creation points to intelligent design. The beauty and practicality of all creation shows God cares for those he creates and appreciates our beauty.
On a logical standpoint, we have to consider how the universe came into existence in the first place. Because of the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is finite. That means something infinite had to create it. And based on the mathematical patterns and complexity we see in creation, it had to be something all-powerful, personal, and eternal.
When I was 19 years old, I was struck by lightening and pulled toward a bright light. The experience was beyond my human finite comprehension and my mind tried to put the experience into a context I might understand. Much of the complexities of the experience still puzzle me these decades and a lifetime later. I met my higher power. He did not tell me His name and I did not ask ... there was already pretty much a bunch of things going on that I was trying to figure out
He and I had non verbal conversations either I don't remember the gist of or the conversations were on a whole different level beyond my understanding. However, there WAS one question he verbally asked and I remember quite well, "Do you want to go forth / forward or do you want to go back?" ... My answer was for totally unselfish reasons and I said, "I want to go back. She needs me." ... meaning a girl that I was and had been seeing for some time in a romantic relationship.
The one(1) verbal question that I was asked, following considerable non verbal communication left me with the lasting impression that He gives us choices. We have choices.
Considering my lifetime journey thus far, I would say the only reason I am here today is because my higher power has allowed it to be so. He has never abandoned me. I would call that a miracle.
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Not a fan of the title God. There are all kinds of Gods, some people think they are God. Supreme Being is a better description, Prime Mover is a good one too. The One who got what we recognize as "things", going. God is just a nickname for an I-know-better-than-you entity.
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That’s a fabulous post.As humans, we have finite minds, attempting to comprehend an infinite Trinity.
"God" is just a name. Often as I sit in the sanctuary of my backyard, I watch many birds flutter about. To each I could give a name ... Pete, Sam, Jeanette, Suzie ... and what if I told you, "Pete came to my house today. He spoke a language I could not understand and he can fly. I saw it for myself !!!" ... would you believe me?
The origin of the word "God" is a bit enigmatic. Our English version of the word comes from a Greek word meaning “to pour,” but may also have been influenced by a mix of other cultures and languages. However, of course, the concept of God existed long before then.
In Hebrew, there are various names for God. Other names for God we see in the Old and New Testament as listed below, are Jehovah ... the existing one, Adonai ... Lord, Master and there are other names presented in the text ...
One might ask, who created God? Or when did God begin?
- El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
- El Elyon (The Most High God)
- Adonai (Lord, Master)
- Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
- Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
- Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
- Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
- Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
- Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
- Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
- El Olam (The Everlasting God)
- Elohim (God)
- Qanna (Jealous)
- Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
- Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
- Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)
The question itself is actually misleading because of God’s eternal nature. God didn’t spontaneously appear; he’s always been there. When a Christian tends to establish God’s eternal nature, the atheist may follow-up with a different question, “But doesn’t everything have to be created to exist? So how can God exist if he wasn’t created?”
Again, that question can run into a number of problems. First, if something supposedly created God, then who created that being who created God? The series of beings creating the next being would go on ad infinitem. Which, of course, would be impossible.
God is the Creator of the Universe. Through him and by him, all things are made. He sustains every living thing. Every living thing is finite and contingent upon his existence. Because of his infinite nature, he is not reliant on anything for his existence.
To answer the question posed above, nothing created God. Nothing had to. If something always existed (eternal) then nothing can create it.
This is part of the reason why atheists may try to argue that the universe always existed, because then it wouldn’t need a Creator. Something eternal isn’t contingent. Of course, the Second Law of Thermodynamics shows the universe has a limited amount of energy and is therefore finite ... And therefore, it needed a Creator.
God is also our Father as well as Creator. He didn’t simply create everything, sit back, and let the world tick on its own, as a deist perspective might suggest. Instead, he made himself part of the narrative. And like a father, He gave us choices.
So if God is everlasting, where did he come from? The question is contradictory. God does not change, he does not move, and he didn’t come from somewhere. He always was, is, and will be for eternity.
This may prompt us to wonder what God was doing before Creation. After all, Creation started at a set point in time, and God, being eternal, is outside of time. So what did God do before He made the world? This question also misunderstands that when God created the Universe, he also created time. Time needs space and matter to exist, and neither existed until God created them. “Before creation” technically is a misnomer because God exists in eternity and isn’t bound by the constraints of a timeline. Time didn’t exist until God declared it to exist.
Still, we shouldn’t assume God was doing nothing. He had an eternal plan before Creation. It gets a little confusing, but as humans, we have finite minds, attempting to comprehend an infinite God.
There are two other difficult concepts to understand about God. First ... He’s all powerful (Omnipotent) and Second ... He’s all knowing (Omniscient). These two play into his eternal nature because if he wasn’t either, he would be finite. And if he’s finite, he’s dependent on something. And if God is dependent on something, that means perhaps we need to worship something greater than him. Lucky for us, God is both of those things, and therefore not finite in his power or wisdom.
So if God created the world, how do we know he’s any different than the gods of other religions? ... And that's a great question.
First, he wants a personal relationship with his creation. No other god is willing to come down in the form of man, suffer a horrendous death, for the sake of having a relationship with their creation. You do not see that in other religions.
Second, the religious texts for "our" God are scientifically, historically, and prophetically more accurate than the texts of any other religion. Although you can’t use a text as definitive proof of someone’s existence, it certainly bolsters the possibility.
Third, God is not dependent on his creation. Other religions (both monotheistic and polytheistic) run into a couple of theological issues. If the god is one and only one, then the god creates out of boredom or loneliness. That would make the god dependent on his creation. If there are many gods, then there is no one true powerful being, and therefore, they are finite in power. However, if God is one, but with three persons within the one (the Trinity) then God creates as an act of love, not necessity, and maintains His omnipotence.
We can see God in creation. The irreducible complexity of all creation points to intelligent design. The beauty and practicality of all creation shows God cares for those he creates and appreciates our beauty.
On a logical standpoint, we have to consider how the universe came into existence in the first place. Because of the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is finite. That means something infinite had to create it. And based on the mathematical patterns and complexity we see in creation, it had to be something all-powerful, personal, and eternal.
When I was 19 years old, I was struck by lightening and pulled toward a bright light. The experience was beyond my human finite comprehension and my mind tried to put the experience into a context I might understand. Much of the complexities of the experience still puzzle me these decades and a lifetime later. I met my higher power. He did not tell me His name and I did not ask ... there was already pretty much a bunch of things going on that I was trying to figure out
He and I had non verbal conversations either I don't remember the gist of or the conversations were on a whole different level beyond my understanding. However, there WAS one question he verbally asked and I remember quite well, "Do you want to go forth / forward or do you want to go back?" ... My answer was for totally unselfish reasons and I said, "I want to go back. She needs me." ... meaning a girl that I was and had been seeing for some time in a romantic relationship.
The one(1) verbal question that I was asked, following considerable non verbal communication left me with the lasting impression that He gives us choices. We have choices.
Considering my lifetime journey thus far, I would say the only reason I am here today is because my higher power has allowed it to be so as he has never abandoned me. I would call that a miracle.
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Nice refresher of my ancient history, cultural anthropology, philosophy of religion and art history courses in college.
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What is the biggest problem for an atheist? No one to talk to during an orgasm.
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I have seen this topic batted around my whole life with no sign of progress on the horizon. It's a fool's errand because neither camp can escape the fatal flaw that they have no knowledge to move the needle either way. Until actual evidence is brought to the table (Which will likely never happen), we are left with what we desire to believe as the outcome.
Believing something, even if it's unfounded, can be a comforting thing, depending on the individual. To others, it's ridiculous. I am open to consider many possibilities. No need to reach any conclusion since I have no relevant facts.
Believing something, even if it's unfounded, can be a comforting thing, depending on the individual. To others, it's ridiculous. I am open to consider many possibilities. No need to reach any conclusion since I have no relevant facts.
papa tiger
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The Universe is too vast for me to imagine it. Sure, something had to start it all. I mean, unending Space of unending longevity.
Eternal, but when did it all start? Can one take in a scope of nothing that is actually something?
Can one believe energy to matter, the scope of the amount of power to create so much energy and matter,
possibly non matter maybe non energy. Expulsion of it all. Implosion of even more. Energy never destroyed
always changing. Forever? Energy in its most primal forever state? The Complexity of imagination. Thas it!
Sure I believe in the big bang, most likely many big bangs over all of eternity. Maybe eternal
space is God. Which ever one chooses to believe that is not hateful, wrongful, harmful etc. is ok by me.
Maybe each Universe is another god family? Maybe each Universes big bang is just a god crapping!
Methane, one of the early elements of creations. Methane, one of life's overall abundance of.
Maybe each new Universe is a God Baby's first boo-boo.
Believe, whatever you need. I'm just one lil guy with a whole lot of space to try to understand. G.H.M.
Eternal, but when did it all start? Can one take in a scope of nothing that is actually something?
Can one believe energy to matter, the scope of the amount of power to create so much energy and matter,
possibly non matter maybe non energy. Expulsion of it all. Implosion of even more. Energy never destroyed
always changing. Forever? Energy in its most primal forever state? The Complexity of imagination. Thas it!
Sure I believe in the big bang, most likely many big bangs over all of eternity. Maybe eternal
space is God. Which ever one chooses to believe that is not hateful, wrongful, harmful etc. is ok by me.
Maybe each Universe is another god family? Maybe each Universes big bang is just a god crapping!
Methane, one of the early elements of creations. Methane, one of life's overall abundance of.
Maybe each new Universe is a God Baby's first boo-boo.
Believe, whatever you need. I'm just one lil guy with a whole lot of space to try to understand. G.H.M.
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I understand what you're saying, Radish Rose. It's one thing to talk about something (and this is a talk forum), but something completely different to live that something. And that goes for anything.Here comes another religion thread...
But seriously, may you all be blessed and/or happy!
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gruntlabor
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Could your question include agnostics?
If 'they' seem to me to be performing magic --that is functioning with powers far over my head, then I suppose they might be gods, or maybe they're merely advanced aliens.
I reserve the capitalized God to refer to the only ultimate God with OOO powers and creator of everything