Oops, I neglected to format my post as a reply. Here it is again:
Pretty good! But you don't believe that a country can have a functioning, stable, economy of worker ownership and control? Lawyers (which you listed) already run the USA, so why should that be expected to change?
So why has socialism failed over and over again, wherever it has been tried? North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, China, etc.
I'm not interested in your bourgeois capitalist propaganda. I probably forgot more facts and truth about the subject than you ever knew and more than any of those apologists will ever tell you. First of all N. Korea has nothing to do with Marxism, socialism, or communism. It's a ruthless dictatorship where the working class is very oppressed. No democracy. Little freedom. Lots of threats from government.
You're calling for socially-beneficial programs in our capitalist system. If we could get such changes and keep them, that would be great. FDR was arguably the most effective at producing a list of such programs, as you know. But what happened since then? One by one a large number of them have been eliminated, converted to capitalist-serving programs, or defunded and now we no longer have them available. In capitalist society this is what happens. We fight for rights and services only to have to keep fighting to keep them, and then we lose many of them anyway. And I think most of us have grown weary of it all.
This thread caused me to do a little research into democracy vs republic, or it might have been one of the other threads on socialism. Either way, when I don't understand something, I do a little research. In this day and age with so much information being instantly available with just a few keystrokes, there's no excuse for being uninformed. Of course, there's a lot of misinformation out there, so one needs to weed through the biased information, but that's not too difficult.
EVERY country and ideology generates it's own propaganda.
Capitalism has the fundamental and consistent characteristic of private ownership of business for private profit. That is what makes it "capitalism".
In the "free market USA" (which is not actually a free market) the people have been propagandized by 70 years of Cold War propaganda such that they actually often believe the government and economy include a little "socialism" here and there. Meanwhile the propaganda has further confused any facts about socialism to disarm the people, and then applied a standing taboo to suppress any attempt to sort out the confusion.
LOL!!! Was FDR a socialist? Yes or no.
Yes, there are many different ways nations have found to implement socialism. But socialism is always about ending capitalism and private profit, and putting control in the collective hands of the people. Here is a very good presentation of such things. The most relevant part starts at the 17:00 timestamp.
huh?
And now it looks like the leading US capitalists are running out of other people's money.
Well, you're right: only capitalism creates wealth...... for capitalists.
The NASA mission to the moon and ARPANET, which became the internet, were socialistic programs.
Senter....odd that you only talk about 'wealth' in terms of a country! As we all know our country is deep in debt spending more than they take in. Of course all of this does not speak towards the people in America. Because of the freemarket we all have an opportunity to create personal wealth. As a society our people have a higher standard of living than all Socialist countries, and yes including Sweden. I worked for a Swedish company and worked with many Swedish people. I visited their homes and met their families. They have very few poor people and the overall population live well, but not as well as most Americans. And they are limited in what opportunities they can pursue...so they all tell me.
