What our leaders are saying must be done about ISIS.....NOW!

Actually, there has been more concern here about Obama wearing a tan suit than anything else...
 
I'm a little surprised that no one seems to be aware that the US has been training ISIS terrorists for the past couple years, that they didn't just appear out of nowhere. Jordan has apparently been 'hosting' these training camps and John McCain has had photo ops there with some guy who is/was apparently on the US's Most Wanted List. Any thoughts folks?

http://guardianlv.com/2014/06/isis-trained-by-us-government/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-29/time-ripe-false-flag-attack-american-soil

So much angst about the horrors of that group, so many calls for the Americans to save the day.......and no comment on the CIA training Syrian rebels who then went back to Iraq....to behead and bury alive whomever got in their way.

This link: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2014/06/americas-covert-re-invasion-of-iraq.html discusses the 'bizarreness' factor in the CIA 'NOT knowing anything about ISIS until it magically appeared in Iraq' despite drones and intelligence throughout the region and goes on to suggest that maybe they should have just picked up a newspaper as a news agency in Lebanon had noted in March 2014 that the group was on the move out of Syria and heading into Iraq.

From the last link: '.....Described extensively in the full New Eastern Outlook Journal (NEO) report, "NATO’s Terror Hordes in Iraq a Pretext for Syria Invasion[FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]," the United States, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, have funded and armed terrorists operating in Syria for the past 3 years to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars - coincidentally the same amount that ISIS would require to gain primacy among militant groups fighting in Syria and to mobilize forces capable of crossing into Iraq and overwhelming Baghdad's national defences....'[/FONT]

It is also noteworthy that Israel (that most hated state in the Arab world!!!) is aiding Syrian(al Qaeda sympathizers?) rebels with medical care and has NOT been threatened by ISIS. And no one is questioning that?
 
It is also noteworthy that Israel (that most hated state in the Arab world!!!) is aiding Syrian(al Qaeda sympathizers?) rebels with medical care and has NOT been threatened by ISIS. And no one is questioning that?

"THE MOST HATED STATE IN THE ARAB WORLD?"
AND JUST WHAT WORLD WOULD THAT BE?

EVEN THE TERRIBELE AL QUEDA IS DISTANCING THEMSELVES FROM THESE EVIL BRUTES..

AND IN ALL OF THAT TURMOIL, WE HAVE ONE FRIEND, ONE DEMOCRACY ...

AND THAT IS ISRAEL !!!

AND IT IS HATED???

DO SOME RESEARCH AND YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT HAMAS BOMBS ISRAEL FROM CIVILIAN POPULATIONS

.... WHICH ISREAEL NOTIFIES BEFORE IT HAS TO BOMB THEM IN SELF DEFENSE...
 
Re:I'm a little surprised that no one seems to be aware that the US has been training ISIS terrorists for the past couple years, that they didn't just appear out of nowhere. Jordan has apparently been 'hosting' these training camps and John McCain has had photo ops there with some guy who is/was apparently on the US's Most Wanted List. Any thoughts folks?
The U.S. has been training the Iraq force since we first invaded that country in 2003 and they are (ahem) suppose to take care their own country defenses.
look what happened there.
re: US has been training ISIS terrorists for the past couple years.
My answer is so what else is new.
 
Don't believe it..

please explain...??

So, basically anything really really bad that happens in the world

...either the US did or the CIA did ????

Has a certain "popular appeal "
 
US has had training officers in Iraq since before the official troops left.
they have extra special forces on the ground now....helping the kKurds, as Iraq has got out of control.

US has been using drones to bomb Yemen for a while now; as well as Pakistan.

As for Israel; remember members of the last governments were terrorists, until Israel was carved out of Palestinian land.

Is displacing 500,000 people really a proportional response to old rockets; who rarely hit their targets.
even US is pulling back from Israel; they need help from Iran..
 
VIVJEN, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR ALL OF THESE ACUSATIONS?

"Belgian security services have estimated that the number of European jihadists in Syria may be over 4000.

European leaders have directed their nastiest comments against the Jewish state, none of them has asked why Palestinian organizations in Gaza put their stockpiles of weapons in hospitals, homes, schools and mosques, or their command and control centers at the bottom of large apartment buildings or underneath hospitals. None of them has even said that Hamas is a terrorist organization despite its genocidal charter."
source, Gatestone Institute


HAMAS MAKES BRILLANT USE OF IT'S PUBLIC RELATIONS;

THEY SET THINGS UP, KNOWING WELL THAT THEIR OWN CIVILIVIANS WILL BE KILLED BY DOING SO,

AND THEN THEY BLAME ISRAEL !!!
 
Elyzabeth said:
It is also noteworthy that Israel (that most hated state in the Arab world!!!) is aiding Syrian(al Qaeda sympathizers?) rebels with medical care and has NOT been threatened by ISIS. And no one is questioning that?

"THE MOST HATED STATE IN THE ARAB WORLD?"
AND JUST WHAT WORLD WOULD THAT BE?

EVEN THE TERRIBELE AL QUEDA IS DISTANCING THEMSELVES FROM THESE EVIL BRUTES..

AND IN ALL OF THAT TURMOIL, WE HAVE ONE FRIEND, ONE DEMOCRACY ...

AND THAT IS ISRAEL !!!

AND IT IS HATED???

DO SOME RESEARCH AND YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT HAMAS BOMBS ISRAEL FROM CIVILIAN POPULATIONS

.... WHICH ISREAEL NOTIFIES BEFORE IT HAS TO BOMB THEM IN SELF DEFENSE...
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Yes Elyzabeth I believe what I just said. According to general news, all Arabs hate Israel. But apparently even those Arab , that supposedly hate Israel are willing to look the other way when it means that Israel will give them medical care. Israel is no more a friend than anyone else is. What has Israel ever done for Britain, America or Canada that makes them 'our greatest friend'? And what has Israel done with the full support of Britain, the US and Canada? Why they've brutalized a helpless population for 50 years. Have you ever done any research on how Israel treats the Palestinian population? The house demolitions, the children locked up even when they are under 12 years old (which by the way is against the Geneva Convention and which Israel signed at least twice), food deprivation, water deprivation, unchecked settler violence, land theft, civilians killed or beaten....the list is long.

I have spent months looking at this issue and have made a point of avoiding any Palestinian sites as I didn't want undue bias tainting my research. I've looked at history books of the region, Israeli newspapers, reports by human rights groups including the Red Cross and a couple of Jewish human rights organizations and the UN. I could give you a hundred links right now this moment that point to the horrendous acts of Israel, most of which are never mentioned in mainstream news and those 'acts' are all documented. And if you have any that refute those acts with documented evidence, I'll be happy to look at them.

As far as Hamas goes, you're right, bad actors. BUT Israel is no better and in fact are worse because they commit their murders and atrocities with the full backing of 'bully countries' and donated weapon technologies, they wall in their victims so that they can shoot at will and then they pull the mewling victim card themselves as their justification. The only reason that Hamas got elected in the first place was because the Palestinian people were helpless and hopeless at that moment in time thanks to Israel. Israel/Zionism is a blight on the world and if you actually did some research you would be amazed at how closely their attitudes and philosophy mirror that of the Nazi regime that they fled from. In fact, here is a link to a web site where the quotes of numerous Zionist leaders has been collected since Israel first set foot in the region in 1917. http://www.thehypertexts.com/Zionist Quotes.htm There is even one quote by one of the founding fathers of Zionism that indicates appreciation to the Nazi's for teaching the world about genocide and from that link, ""Hitler—as odious as he is to us—has given this idea [ethnic cleansing] a good name in the world."—Jabotinsky"

If you were being treated like those people, many of whom are just like you and only want to raise their kids in peace, you would be crying out to the world for help. And when the world looked the other way because the oppressor made them feel continually guilty about an event in history, you'd begin to do whatever you could to try and help yourselves.

And I want to go on record right here, that what I am against, is oppression and brutality against anyone. If it was Israel who was being walled in and picked off in massive numbers, or starved into submission or whatever, I'd be speaking up for them. No one should be treated as badly as the Israeli's treat the Palestinians. But with the aid of our politicians and a 'managed' media, the Israeli control over everything that remotely mentions them has resulted in a populace who know only Israel's side of the story and it becomes convenient to ignore the thousands of innocent deaths that Israel has committed over the years. Since 2000, Palestinians have caused approximately 1200 Israeli deaths. And Israel has killed over 7000. Who's the real victim here?
 
So Israel has now taken more land from the west bank.
why? That is breaking international law and has already been condemned by US and UK.
Fact.
look up the history of previous Israeli Prime ministers, like Ben Gurion.
 
Davey Jones said:
Re:I'm a little surprised that no one seems to be aware that the US has been training ISIS terrorists for the past couple years, that they didn't just appear out of nowhere. Jordan has apparently been 'hosting' these training camps and John McCain has had photo ops there with some guy who is/was apparently on the US's Most Wanted List. Any thoughts folks?
The U.S. has been training the Iraq force since we first invaded that country in 2003 and they are (ahem) suppose to take care their own country defenses.
look what happened there.
re: US has been training ISIS terrorists for the past couple years.
My answer is so what else is new.
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Well apparently many people don't seem to realize that ISIS members have actually received training from the US, and that ISIS is funded by the Saudi's and Quatar and Turkey (who is a member of NATO I believe?) all three of whom are friends of the Americans. So why is America supporting the funding and training of this group?

http://guardianlv.com/2014/06/isis-trained-by-us-government/

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/06/27/rand-paul-us-arming-isis-in-syria/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5q9PYy1NoA

The first link discusses how the US has been training a group of rebels (now known as ISIS) to overthrow the government of Syria. The second video is Rand Paul discussing the US arming ISIS in Syria and the third link is General Wesley Clark talking about how the US intended back in 1999 to begin the march to overthrowing Syria (surprise surprise!), Iraq, Libya, Iran and Libya and Somalia and Sudan.

You ask 'so what else is new'. I ask, how many people are paying attention and seeing what their respective governments are doing to cause chaos around the world and how many of them even care? It is easy to be complacent when those governments manage their manipulations so that those wars always happen 'over there'. All kinds of support then as long as it's NIMBY.
 
Elyzabeth said:
Don't believe it..

please explain...??

So, basically anything really really bad that happens in the world

...either the US did or the CIA did ????

Has a certain "popular appeal "
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Don't believe what? The documented evidence of American hegemony? The documented evidence of Israeli humanitarian crimes?
 
Elyzabeth said:
VIVJEN, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR ALL OF THESE ACUSATIONS?

"Belgian security services have estimated that the number of European jihadists in Syria may be over 4000.

European leaders have directed their nastiest comments against the Jewish state, none of them has asked why Palestinian organizations in Gaza put their stockpiles of weapons in hospitals, homes, schools and mosques, or their command and control centers at the bottom of large apartment buildings or underneath hospitals. None of them has even said that Hamas is a terrorist organization despite its genocidal charter."
source, Gatestone Institute


HAMAS MAKES BRILLANT USE OF IT'S PUBLIC RELATIONS;

THEY SET THINGS UP, KNOWING WELL THAT THEIR OWN CIVILIVIANS WILL BE KILLED BY DOING SO,

AND THEN THEY BLAME ISRAEL !!!
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Elysabeth no one is denying that Hamas have been bad people or that they've committed terrible acts against the folks they promised to help. Some may suggest that they can understand why the Palestinian people elected them in the first place and why some Palestinians may still support them given the continuing abuse that they suffer at the hands of Zionists who have an agenda of forcing Palestinians out of the region. But pointing at them continuously in no way explains or justifies the 50 years of Palestinian abuse by Israel. Israel was abusing the Palestinians before Hamas arrived on the scene.

Maybe if the world quit giving Israel a 'pass' on their human rights abuses, maybe Israel would have had to actually work out a peace deal with the indigenous people of the region. On at least two separate occasions, Israel signed to an agreement that would have seen them withdrawing from the WB and Gaza but then they reneged on their agreement so that they could continue oppressing the Palestinian people.

It should also be noted, if the public is intent on portraying Hamas as the villain for using civilians as human shields, that Israel's own high court condemned and banned Israel's use of human shields (specifically Palestinian children) by the IDF as they went about their business of abusing the populace.

http://www.btselem.org/human_shields and also this link: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is...-Gaza_Israeli-Attacks-On-Gaza-140803-679.html
 
Elyzabeth said:
There is either FREEDOM


or No FREEDOM


Simple.
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What is the point that you are trying to make? Your statement could mean a lot of things. Freedom to go to whichever school you want or go to movies safely. Freedom to drive on the opposite side of the road from everyone else. Freedom to abuse 'hostage' populations freely and without fear of repercussions. Freedom to protect your life or freedom to fight for your freedom.......

We have seen the US use 'their' freedom to arm terrorists who go on to terrorize other countries. We have seen Israel use their freedom to terrorize another group of people (outside of the sort of 'conflict' times that we got to watch recently). We've watched a group of people have their freedom taken away from them entirely and suffer through 50 years of it and most of the world said nothing.

Everyone likes to focus on Gaza and Hamas these days and they say 'there, the proof that Palestinians brought this on themselves'. But there are other Palestinians. E. Jerusalem, the West Bank.... During the times when things were say relatively 'peaceful', did Israel at any time, 'reward' those peaceful groups for their 'good behaviour'. And I hesitate to use that kind of phraseology because it implies a certain correctness and justification for those processes. But it sort of boils things down for easier understanding. If Israel ever wanted peace, those would have been opportunities to coax and encouragement movement towards an acceptance of peace from the other side. But they never did. In fact even when they were involved in peace talks, the settlement building usually accelerates.

Did you know that once a week, in numerous small towns in Palestinian regions, peaceful marchers take their lives into their hands and walk for peace. http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true

How often does the media talk about those people? Or do we only hear about the ones who will 'work' for a certain agenda? Hamas, suicide bombers, terrorists? Gatherings of more than ten are forbidden and yet these people in groups of a couple dozen to a couple of hundred, walk once a week to protest for peace. And the IDF often uses lethal means to 'quell' them. We don't hear about that either do we. These marchers can be arrested or their children detained (indefinitely sometimes).

Israel doesn't have the freedom/right to treat people like that. And I think the world is beginning to wake up to that fact. We are tired of the endless killing and corruption and we're beginning to call out those who've used their freedom that way. There should never be freedom to oppress.
 
ISIS/ISIL is just another radical jihadist group of the Islamic faith... only more cruel and inhumane than others before them. These jihadists are like cockroaches. You can step on them and take out a large number. The others simply scatter, reproduce, and grow more aggressive. If you want to take them all out, you have to burn down the house. And, that may be too high a price to pay.

Now, couple with that the significant divisive political culture here in the U.S. Republicans want the U.S. to go to war. Many of those calling for war, know we cannot stamp them out with ground forces but want something to blame on this POTUS. I would not be the lease bit surprised to find that the Koch brothers are funding ISIS/ISIL, wanting a tragedy on our homeland that will swing the 2016 election their way. General Dempsey and Secretary Hagel have to show they are ready for war. To respond otherwise would show a weakness we cannot afford. This is a no win situation.

Currently, the U.S. is using air strikes to slow down the ISIS/ISIL spread. We assisted getting the Turks off the mountain. We have assisted the Iraqis in retaking Mosul dam and, just in the past 48 hours, retaking a village and saving hundreds from certain beheading by ISIS/ISIL. Our advisors on the ground are having a positive effect in Iraq as is our air support.

Syria is another issue in that the Assad government is almost as cruel and inhumane as is ISIS/ISIL. There, I do believe the decision will be made to use air strikes to assist the Assad government in mitigating the threat, with some conditions. Those discussions are ongoing right now, behind the scenes. McCain, etc. don't want something positive to work out and have us not go to war. There is entirely too much at stake, politically.

There is a theat to the U.S. homeland from those who have accepted that the ISIS/ISIL cause is just. Will we see some horrendous happenings here? Probably. Will it be as bad as the streets of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. No!! Will we see some similar tragedies in Britian, Germany, France, etc. I believe so. And, while we are heavily concentrating on the ISIS/ISIL threat, Putin will use that advantage to take more of the countries back that made up the USSR.

A WWIII will pretty well wipe out the human race. I do believe the three world powers... U.S., Russia, and China are smart enough to refrain from all out war. There will be posturing. But, we need each other. Without the U.S., China's economy tanks. Without China, Russia and the U.S. economies tank. There will be "war and rumors of war" from now until eternity. I just don't believe we will see an all out war in the near term. We'll continue surgical strikes and will play "Whack-a-mole" with the jihadists for the coming years.
 
A little bleak, Gruny old' man, but, IMO, accurate.
i also believe that Iran is/will get involved; on the US side, and Yemen is already involved; on IS side...
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
...........A WWIII will pretty well wipe out the human race. I do believe the three world powers... U.S., Russia, and China are smart enough to refrain from all out war. There will be posturing. But, we need each other. Without the U.S., China's economy tanks. Without China, Russia and the U.S. economies tank. There will be "war and rumors of war" from now until eternity. I just don't believe we will see an all out war in the near term. We'll continue surgical strikes and will play "Whack-a-mole" with the jihadists for the coming years.
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There are many political watchers around the world who would disagree with you that the 'US is too smart to start WW3'.

Like this ex-Director of the NSA who yesterday wrote an open letter to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, telling her not to believe the American hype about an invasion by Russia, that indeed there is NO intelligence that supports that claim. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...s-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra

Then there's this article: http://www.mintpressnews.com/will-ukraine-bid-join-nato-unleash-21st-century-cold-war/196082/

and one more for your viewing pleasure: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2014/08/interest-in-mh17-fades-as-sanctions-war.html#more
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
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Syria is another issue in that the Assad government is almost as cruel and inhumane as is ISIS/ISIL.........
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http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/search/label/Syria

If Assad is so terrible, why did tens of thousands (including people who'd been forced to flee and were residing in other countries temporarily) line up to vote him back into office? And the fact is that the OESC stated the following: the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe's (OSCE) own report cited as proof that elections were "[FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]in line with international commitments and with a respect for fundamental freedoms," in remarks about the Syrian election. In other words, no one was threatened or coerced and yet, tens of thousands lined up in the middle of fighting to vote for Assad.

Could it be that the claims of Assad's brutality are planted by a government that had decided as far back as 1991 to 'take out Syria'? This is a link where General Wesley Clark talks about the Pentagon decision back in 1991 to destabilize the Middle East. Five or six countries were named, Syria and Iraq being two of them. Their timeline was a little off, but they're still working hard at it. [/FONT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5q9PYy1NoA
 
Ralphy1 said:
Time to return to "Duck and Cover" drills perhaps?
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You need to put a little 'silly-face icon' with that comment because we now know how effective that is don't we? We've learned so much and yet apparently not enough. Still the threat of war!
 

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