What went wrong?

Irwin said:
Why is James Dean straddling the front fender of his motorcycle? That's a bit weird, too! :ROFLMAO:

It seems like there was more respect for the working class back in the 50s. And bikers back then were nonconformists rebelling against societal norms. Today's nonconformists run tech companies.
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Dean is trying to be cool?
 
Pure sissification.

Back in the day, I never once heard of a single story related to a working man complaining about his wife being a stay-at-home mom/fulltime homemaker. Men were thrilled and quite satisfied with the arrangement.

Fast-forward a few decades, somewhere along the way, wives/mothers/homemakers took on a whine and b*tc# about their husbands not doing enough. Seemed it was no longer good enough for the man to bring home the bacon and the wife to fry it up in a pan, thus change was born, literally.

Women wanted their husbands to "pull the load"... so many hours spent in the kitchen, so many hours a week taking care of the kids, so many hours a week cleaning the house.

Something had to give, and this is the give that we're witnessing and seeing today.

Personally (please read... personally, as in my opinion), all of the women's-lib/feminist movement/equality, that's being spun and woven today has done our world and society no favours.

Men should have been left alone to be men, and women should of got off their lazy a$$es and pulled the load on their end, without complaining and always needing their hands held.
 
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James Dean was in the movies, where image is everything. "Cool" guys don't do laundry. Also, I believe Irwin was correct when he pointed out that Dean on his bike was considered a troubled, almost hoodlum youth . He was not a hero type. All the electrical machines relieved women of the sheer drudgery of maintaining a home. And then women had to work outside of the home, because a two income family was necessary. It's a fun idea, but I don't think either of these men represent normal males.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Pure sissification.

Back in the day, I never once heard of a single story related to a working man complaining about his wife being a stay-at-home mom/fulltime homemaker. Men were thrilled and quite satisfied with the arrangement.

Fast-forward a few decades, somewhere along the way, wives/mothers/homemakers took on a whine and b*tc# about their husbands not doing enough. Seemed it was no longer good enough for the man to bring home the bacon and the wife to fry it up in a pan, thus change was born, literally.

Women wanted their husbands to "pull the load"... so many hours spent in the kitchen, so many hours a week taking care of the kids, so many hours a week cleaning the house.

Something had to give, and this is the give that we're witnessing and seeing today.

Personally (please read... personally, as in my opinion), all of the women's-lib/feminist movement/equality, that's being spun and woven today has done our world and society no favours.

Men should have been left alone to be men, and women should of got off their lazy a$$es and pulled the load on their end, without complaining and always needing their hands held.
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The women's movement provided choices to females. You want to be a stay at full-time stay at home mother and homemaker? Go for it. Nobody's stopping you.

Women who make other choices likewise shouldn't be prevented or derided from doing so.

p.s. Of course most men were thrilled with the old arrangement. They held all the power. Why wouldn't they love it?
 
StarSong said:
The women's movement provided choices to females. You want to be a stay at full-time stay at home mother and homemaker? Go for it. Nobody's stopping you.

Women who make other choices likewise shouldn't be prevented or derided from doing so.

p.s. Of course most men were thrilled with the old arrangement. They held all the power. Why wouldn't they love it?
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Exactly, and looking back on it in retrospect, I think it made for better marriages and relationships.

And no, men didn't hold all the power, because my dad was a dictator, but he knew his place when he'd overstep his boundaries and ruffle moms feathers, and reality tells me our home wasn't the only home where such applied.

Courtesy of all the women's-lib BS, women today want to be able to walk around shirtless (like men), they want to smoke cigars (like men), ride motorcycles (like men), and whatever else they can do to act and look like men.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Pure sissification.

Back in the day, I never once heard of a single story related to a working man complaining about his wife being a stay-at-home mom/fulltime homemaker. Men were thrilled and quite satisfied with the arrangement.

Fast-forward a few decades, somewhere along the way, wives/mothers/homemakers took on a whine and b*tc# about their husbands not doing enough. Seemed it was no longer good enough for the man to bring home the bacon and the wife to fry it up in a pan, thus change was born, literally.

Women wanted their husbands to "pull the load"... so many hours spent in the kitchen, so many hours a week taking care of the kids, so many hours a week cleaning the house.

Something had to give, and this is the give that we're witnessing and seeing today.

Personally (please read... personally, as in my opinion), all of the women's-lib/feminist movement/equality, that's being spun and woven today has done our world and society no favours.

Men should have been left alone to be men, and women should of got off their lazy a$$es and pulled the load on their end, without complaining and always needing their hands held.
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I agree with you 100%. I am married to a real man. I was a stay at home Mom and I loved it. When we needed more money my Husband would work a second job. I think about a neighbor I had. She wasn't content staying home and raising her kids. She said she wanted to get a job so that she could enjoy the company of other adults, relax and have lunch with friends. They didn't need the money but she got a job. Sad to say but her kids didn't grow up well. I often wondered if they would have grown up better if their Mom had put them first.
 
Why shouldn't women smoke cigars or ride motorcycles if they so desire.? Haven't seen any conversations about women (in the US, at least) wanting to go shirtless. Perhaps that's a Canadian issue.

I think marriages are stronger when partners have equal power throughout. That's how my and my children's marriages are structured and we're managing just fine. The women and the men pull equal weight.

Marriage isn't the default answer for everyone. I know more than a few women who are much happier living solo. And plenty of men who feel the same.
 
Sassycakes said:
I agree with you 100%. I am married to a real man. I was a stay at home Mom and I loved it. When we needed more money my Husband would work a second job. I think about a neighbor I had. She wasn't content staying home and raising her kids. She said she wanted to get a job so that she could enjoy the company of other adults, relax and have lunch with friends. They didn't need the money but she got a job. Sad to say but her kids didn't grow up well. I often wondered if they would have grown up better if their Mom had put them first.
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I agree with you on all, Sas!

Well said!
 
I wouldn't get into this "little chat" regarding men/women/past/present. But I will say this. I was married to a real lady for many years. Should I ever want to date a lady again, I would like to date a lady; not a lady that looks & acts like a man. By the way, I am for total equality. I was very happy to help around the home when my wife was still living. She loved to buy clothes, do her makeup & enjoyed her hobbies. I never wanted her to act, dress, think or pretend to be some sort of tough Butch man. At my age, I think that men should act like gentlemen & women should act like ladies. Of course, the way things are today, I suppose I am rather old fashioned. By the way, I don't smoke nor do I curse so I expect a lady to do likewise. Am I asking too much?
 
Packerjohn said:
I wouldn't get into this "little chat" regarding men/women/past/present. But I will say this. I was married to a real lady for many years. Should I ever want to date a lady again, I would like to date a lady; not a lady that looks & acts like a man. By the way, I am for total equality. I was very happy to help around the home when my wife was still living. She loved to buy clothes, do her makeup & enjoyed her hobbies. I never wanted her to act, dress, think or pretend to be some sort of tough Butch man. At my age, I think that men should act like gentlemen & women should act like ladies. Of course, the way things are today, I suppose I am rather old fashioned. By the way, I don't smoke nor do I curse so I expect a lady to do likewise. Am I asking too much?
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I'm old-fashioned, too, Packer, and no, you are definitely not asking for too much.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Pure sissification.

Back in the day, I never once heard of a single story related to a working man complaining about his wife being a stay-at-home mom/fulltime homemaker. Men were thrilled and quite satisfied with the arrangement.

Fast-forward a few decades, somewhere along the way, wives/mothers/homemakers took on a whine and b*tc# about their husbands not doing enough. Seemed it was no longer good enough for the man to bring home the bacon and the wife to fry it up in a pan, thus change was born, literally.

Women wanted their husbands to "pull the load"... so many hours spent in the kitchen, so many hours a week taking care of the kids, so many hours a week cleaning the house.

Something had to give, and this is the give that we're witnessing and seeing today.

Personally (please read... personally, as in my opinion), all of the women's-lib/feminist movement/equality, that's being spun and woven today has done our world and society no favours.

Men should have been left alone to be men, and women should of got off their lazy a$$es and pulled the load on their end, without complaining and always needing their hands held.
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Your very first paragraph...'back in the day etc...is where I beg to differ as not all marriages are like that. Take my late husband for instance, seeing that I was qualified in a certain field, his wish was that I continue work in and out of the house and simply arrange for a sitter. I dug my heels in, I am afraid, and stated that children needed their mother at home during their developmental stages and seeing it was not necessary for me to return to work...I said NO. As for household duties to include cleaning, cooking, etc etc, he did not believe that he should 'share the load' so to speak and I never asked him too.
Well, I had better stop writing on this topic as it has always riled me up.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Exactly, and looking back on it in retrospect, I think it made for better marriages and relationships.

And no, men didn't hold all the power, because my dad was a dictator, but he knew his place when he'd overstep his boundaries and ruffle moms feathers, and reality tells me our home wasn't the only home where such applied.

Courtesy of all the women's-lib BS, women today want to be able to walk around shirtless (like men), they want to smoke cigars (like men), ride motorcycles (like men), and whatever else they can do to act and look like men.
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there has to be equality in a marriage...otherwise, I don't see it working
 
"Boy the way Glenn Miller played
songs that made the Hit Parade
guys like me we had it made
Those were the days.
Everybody pulled his weight
Gee our old La Salle ran great
Those were the days.
And you knew who you were then
GIRLS WERE GIRLS AND MEN WERE MEN
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content
fifty dollars paid the rent
F--s were in the circus tent
Those were the days
Take a little Sunday spin
Go to watch the Dodgers win
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin
Hair was short and skirts were long
Kate Smith really sold a song
I don't know just what went wrong
Those were the days."
 
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Aunt Marg said:
Pure sissification.

Back in the day, I never once heard of a single story related to a working man complaining about his wife being a stay-at-home mom/fulltime homemaker. Men were thrilled and quite satisfied with the arrangement.

Fast-forward a few decades, somewhere along the way, wives/mothers/homemakers took on a whine and b*tc# about their husbands not doing enough. Seemed it was no longer good enough for the man to bring home the bacon and the wife to fry it up in a pan, thus change was born, literally.

Women wanted their husbands to "pull the load"... so many hours spent in the kitchen, so many hours a week taking care of the kids, so many hours a week cleaning the house.

Something had to give, and this is the give that we're witnessing and seeing today.

Personally (please read... personally, as in my opinion), all of the women's-lib/feminist movement/equality, that's being spun and woven today has done our world and society no favours.

Men should have been left alone to be men, and women should of got off their lazy a$$es and pulled the load on their end, without complaining and always needing their hands held.
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