Where does God live?

gruntlabor said:
Science wanted to blow up the moon. Why? Because it thought it could. Science deliberately infected South Americans with (I believe it was) syphilis. Science gave us the lobotomy. Science gave us an acne medication with a possible side effect of death. Science today is as immoral and ruthless as politics. Science will be the death of us all.
Science without controls, morals or ethics is cold, inhumane.
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I'm sorry, this is all wrong. What you ought to say is, "in the name of science". You see, there is no "science". It's not an organization, it's not a person. It's a process. It's a process of determination. What people choose to do with that knowledge is what you're questioning.

Christians have killed non-Christians in wars - but that doesn't mean all Christians are war mongers. Same thing - what one scientist does isn't indicative all all scientists.
 

Joey said:
I don't think you can put limits on God like that - he just patiently awaits you and then can give you divine happiness? be happy!
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Joey said:
I think he is waiting for you to convince him!!
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That's a problem - Joey. IMO. People excuse things by blithely making broad statements - he's always been, he's everywhere, he's infallible etc. Paint with a broad enough brush and frankly, it just stops making sense. To me.

I guess I won't be convincing a God to care for this particular soul. I've looked for a reason, and he's provided none. Waiting for ME to find something is.... well, you know. Did Jesus walk around just expecting people to believe? Or did he perform acts to convince them?
 
Joey said:
If God is going to come down and convince me, I wish he's hurry up, with each passing day I'm running out of time!

OMG this explains it all so you are setting the pace heh - your life is timeless you cannot run out of it - cool mon! - and heh bro - we all love you as you slowly grow - you cannot run out of time - you are timeless!
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Oh, I'm going to be dying and returning to the soil. My life will be done. I will no longer exist in any form. Everything points toward this. It would be nice to think otherwise, but I'm simply not that important.
 
VaughanJB said:
Oh, I'm going to be dying and returning to the soil. My life will be done. I will no longer exist in any form. Everything points toward this. It would be nice to think otherwise, but I'm simply not that important.
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Now that's what real humility should look like.
 
VaughanJB said:
Oh, I'm going to be dying and returning to the soil. My life will be done. I will no longer exist in any form. Everything points toward this. It would be nice to think otherwise, but I'm simply not that important.
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I really don't think that you can determine that matey?
 
Joey said:
I really don't think that you can determine that matey?
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As humans, we try to rationalize. Hopefully, as we go through life we try to help others. But ultimately, on a universal scale, it's difficult to imagine anything we do here is special. Even if there is, we have to find a way to explain all the horrors.
 
Some wonder about the ultimate size of the Universe, if it's the only one. Eternity?

Ladies if there is an ultimate size than it is inside of a Black Box of unending powers!
Certainly, God lives within its sides too!

It doesn't have observable sides but when the Universe gets to it,
the universe slams and rebounds back away. thus, going back to
shrink to another big band. A Paradox of no end?

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papa tiger said:
A god will not make mistakes, we make mistakes.
A god will not accept failure. We are failures.
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go read ya bible - his chosen people made many errors along the way - God gentle chastised them and told them to do better next time - something most good parents do? The Jews we continuously disobedient turning their back on their prophets and God - I think he is still with them?
 
Capt Lightning said:
Ah, so if we were created by 'god', he/she/it created failures. But if this 'god' doesn't make mistakes, he/she/it deliberately created failures, which he/she/it will not accept. The solution is that we were not created by this 'god' at all. It's the other way round - we created 'god' to explain things we don't yet understand.
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I once thought that God was something we humans had dreamed up. That is, until I felt something very profound, and more than a little unsettling, that caused me to change my tune.
 
Joey said:
go read ya bible - his chosen people made many errors along the way - God gentle chastised them and told them to do better next time - something most good parents do? The Jews we continuously disobedient turning their back on their prophets and God - I think he is still with them?
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The OT book of Hosea compares the relationship of Yaweh to the Israelites to a husband who forgives his unfaithful wife many times over.
 
Joey said:
go read ya bible - his chosen people made many errors along the way - God gentle chastised them and told them to do better next time - something most good parents do? The Jews we continuously disobedient turning their back on their prophets and God - I think he is still with them?
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I think the reason the Bible says they were God's chosen people is because they are the authors of the book.
Secondly, I'm not sure I would call wandering in the wilderness for 40 years till all of their generation died off gentle chastisement. JMO
 
Capt Lightning said:
Ah, so if we were created by 'god', he/she/it created failures. But if this 'god' doesn't make mistakes, he/she/it deliberately created failures, which he/she/it will not accept. The solution is that we were not created by this 'god' at all. It's the other way round - we created 'god' to explain things we don't yet understand.
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Absolutely, and made at least one mistake too, but that only proves that the God of the bible is not infinitely perfect. Maybe we've got some of the facts wrong as I'm sure we have, with or without the devil loose and running around.
Or maybe there is another creator, completely unrelated to anything that we think we know, who is NOT a personal God.
 
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gruntlabor said:
Absolutely, and at least one mistake too, but that only proves that the God of the bible is not infinitely perfect. Maybe we've got some of the facts wrong as I'm sure we have, with or without the devil loose and running around.
Or maybe there is another creator, completely unrelated to anything that we think we know, who is NOT a personal God.
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Just to clarify, are you saying that (Assuming there is some sort of deity) whatever this "God" is, it is not omniscient?
 
Warrigal said:
The OT book of Hosea compares the relationship of Yaweh to the Israelites to a husband who forgives his unfaithful wife many times over.
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Another inconsistency? I have a faint memory, maybe a false one, that the Old Testament somewhere says that adultery may be forgiven once at our discretion. But on the second occasion God has divorced us and we commit adultery ourselves by forgiving.
Remember all that stoning, even of children over a certain age, of those who did not repent or at least straighten up and fly right.

I asked Copilot. He said:
In the Old Testament, stoning was a method of capital punishment ... Some of the offenses punishable by stoning included: Blasphemy ... Adultery ... Idolatry ... Sabbath violation ...
 
gruntlabor said:
Another inconsistency? I have a faint memory, maybe a false one, that the Old Testament somewhere says that adultery may be forgiven once at our discretion. But on the second occasion God has divorced us and we commit adultery ourselves by forgiving.
Remember all that stoning, even of children over a certain age, of those who did not repent or at least straighten up and fly right.

I asked Copilot. He said:
In the Old Testament, stoning was a method of capital punishment ... Some of the offenses punishable by stoning included: Blasphemy ... Adultery ... Idolatry ... Sabbath violation ...
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It is a short book. Why not read it and contemplate the message?
Compare it with the NT story of the woman about to be stoned for adultery and Jesus' words to the men holding the stones. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".
 
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@Capt Lightning said: “we created 'god' to explain things we don't yet understand.” What a profound statement! Why would a perfect god create imperfect human beings if we are made in his image and likeness? Why would we have to “guess” about his existence (as on this Senior Forums thread) rather than making it blatantly obvious? As Spock said: “Your god creates faulty human beings, and then blames them for his own mistakes. He’s a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.”
 

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