Who Can You Trust? Not The American Journal of Medicine

fuzzybuddy said:
Not that this JAMA article is BS, but why is the supposed date JAMA was published for this article is Dec 3, 2022. But the date of that week's JAMA issue is Dec 6,2022. If they can't even get the right date......
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Please note that the article that is the subject of this thread was published in the lesser known The American Journal of Medicine which is NOT the same as the more prestigious and reputable Journal of the American Medical Association (aka JAMA).
 

Well it is possible to wildly inflate projections. We needed discourse and accurate test reports to understand where the data came from in the first place, not blind off the charts prognostications of doom that were probably not supported by the science they were supposed to represent.
 
Well in our area we did have problems. Hospital overwhelmed. Rural hospital lacking skill set required for patients long term ventilated. Unable to transfer patients because other hospitals at capacity. Running out of medications used to keep intubated patients sedated and paralyzed. Staff fatigue. Not enough PPE. Fear when young, healthy staff member died of covid. Sadness when watching community members dying. Yeah….real here and we are all very very very thankful for the vaccine. Just sayin…
 
Muskrat said:
Well in our area we did have problems. Hospital overwhelmed. Rural hospital lacking skill set required for patients long term ventilated. Unable to transfer patients because other hospitals at capacity. Running out of medications used to keep intubated patients sedated and paralyzed. Staff fatigue. Not enough PPE. Fear when young, healthy staff member died of covid. Sadness when watching community members dying. Yeah….real here and we are all very very very thankful for the vaccine. Just sayin…
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If the vaccine protected anyone, how could the situation be so bad???
How could any vaccinated staff member die of Covid???
Why would anyone be "very very very thankful" for a vaccine that obviously doesn't work???
 
Muskrat said:
The vaccine did not exist yet. Once it did people were very good to get vaccinated. We all know people here who died.
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The vaccines & boosters have been here (and pushed on everyone) for over 2 years now. Why are we hearing about "Cases & hospitalizations spiking dramatically now" if the vaccine worked?
And why is it that everyone I know who has been fully vaccinated has been sick with Covid?
I just had Covid - I was weak, tired, achy & congested for 3 days. No fever & coughing for 2 more days. I'm not vaccinated. 2 negative tests on the 3rd day.
I'd consider that a mild illness, much like a chest cold - not nearly as bad as the flu I had 40 years ago.
I personally know several people (vaccinated) who were much sicker with Covid.
If the vaccine gives you confidence, that's fine. Maybe confidence is half the battle. (y)
 
Science never said everyone would get covid. In fact the science is clear some never even get it. Science never said everyone who got covid would be deathly ill, in fact the science shows most who get covid will have subclinical or mild symptoms. Science shows that vaccinated folks have a lower incidence of severe disease….what they have said all along. But as a person who had assets but no insurance at the beginning of the pandemic my thought process was more risk management. Would I be willing to give up a house or two to pay for a possible severe illness? Should I hedge my bets and vaccinate? I choose to vaccinate. We all made and continue to make these choices. But make make no mistake….when you know people who died you think a bit different. I had known that staff member since she was in high school.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
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If this is in regard to the original post, I’m right there with you. Science, including medical science, isn’t able to answer every question and neither does it have all the answers. But for those questions it can address it is the gold standard and nothing else comes close. Those who do their own research on Google are just looking for support for their half baked opinions. Those who promote this sort of disinformation are the typhoid Mary’s of the current age. Expertise dues matter.
 
I'd kind of like to try a deep fried Snickers bar.

I'd also like to ask all of you who don't trust the science, who you do trust? When my son was a baby I'd go by what his doctor said, or maybe what I'd read in Parent's magazine. My husband went by his grandmother who had, "worked in a drug store all her life." So I was always up against my desire to follow doctor's orders and her vast accumulated knowledge of old wives tales. I wonder sometimes if all the anti-vaxers are in touch with her.
 
I guess the concern many of us have is that it was too rushed, (and we do understand why it was rushed), and that the total implications/side effects have not yet been fully realized.

We've had three shots each and won't get more.......with identical symptoms I was diagnosed as having flu, while she had covid, (as was a friend at the same time); they both 'recovered' (actually 'felt better' is probably more accurate), before I did, although mine was nothing to e-mail home about, (writing, of course, being somewhat passé now).
 
Nemo2 said:
I guess the concern many of us have is that it was too rushed, (and we do understand why it was rushed), and that the total implications/side effects have not yet been fully realized.

We've had three shots each and won't get more.......with identical symptoms I was diagnosed as having flu, while she had covid, (as was a friend at the same time); they both 'recovered' (actually 'felt better' is probably more accurate), before I did, although mine was nothing to e-mail home about, (writing, of course, being somewhat passé now).
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Another unknown - in addition to possible side effects of vaccines - is the chance of getting long Covid or getting some secondary effect of Covid just as some of us get Shingles now from the Chicken pox we had as kids. The unknown down side to vaccines are more than balanced by those of catching a new virus whose long term effects can’t possibly bee known yet.
 
perChance said:
"Trust the science." "The science is settled."
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Whenever I hear these phrases I think it really means shut up and how dare you question anything.

Science is a process - not a "thing"
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And that is why you can trust it. It is a self correcting process over time. If it were just a book of dogma it would make more sense to doubt it. But the general consensus among the most knowledgeable and experienced is where I put my empirical trust.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
what's left?
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MarkD said:
And that is why you can trust it. It is a self correcting process over time. If it were just a book of dogma it would make more sense to doubt it. But the general consensus among the most knowledgeable and experienced is where I put my empirical trust.
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I would agree with you - except for the fact that anyone who did question was censored, belittled and sometimes threatened with job loss. That is not science.
 

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